From: Peter K. <pj...@gm...> - 2012-04-24 15:25:58
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I realise that anyone can edit the wiki, and if I felt confident to, I would. Although I *really* like GRAMPS, and am grateful to all its developers for all the work they've put in, there are various aspects of it that I find really counter-intuitive (I previously used PAF, then Family Historian), but whenever I try to get to grips with any of my problems I seem to find that the online documentation either does not explain the bit I need (as with the current question about searching/filtering) or else the terminology and images in the documentation do not match what I see in front of me onscreen, so I am really reluctant to make matters worse, in case I have misunderstood how things (should) work. (If the documentation matched the software, I'd feel more confident that I have understood things properly and would be much more likely to add to the documentation myself.) Peter On 24 April 2012 16:17, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: >> Dear Doug, >> >> Many thanks for this; a very useful summary and explanation. I hope it >> could be incorporated into the documentation. > > You're welcome! In fact, anyone can turn your hope into reality... > anyone can edit the Gramps wiki to add detail or ask questions. > > I'm not a wiki or documentation expert, but someone will correct what > we contribute. I couldn't find any particular page that addressed > these issues, so I stuck it at the top of: > > http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gramps_3.4_Wiki_Manual_-_Filters > > I added this to an upcoming Gramps 3.4 page, so that it will be copied > forward to future versions (the Gramps 3.4 manual pages were copied > from Gramps 3.3 pages just a short while ago). Anyone can copy this > back to Gramps 3.3 pages, and to other languages. > > -Doug > >> Peter >> >> On 24 April 2012 12:56, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: >>>> Dear Jeff, >>>> >>>> Thanks for this. I can see how your method would work, but it seems >>>> like an extraordinarily complex way of doing one of the very simplest >>>> things one might want to do with a filter: find people with a >>>> particular name! (I find I hard to believe that GRAMPS has been in >>>> development for so long and that there is not a simpler way of doing >>>> this. There is, after all, already a filter field called "Name" -- >>>> it's just that it seems designed to filter on surname or forename but >>>> not both.) >>>> >>>> Can anyone else jump in with suggestions, or explain why this is not >>>> something that has come up before as a requested feature? >>> >>> The search functionality is a little confusing, and we want to clean >>> that up at some point. But you can easily do what you want. >>> >>> First, there are two different mechanisms for searching: the top bar >>> Search and the side/bottom bar Filter. The top bar Search only appears >>> when the entire sidebar is closed. You can close/open the >>> Sidebar/bottombar through menu -> View. >>> >>> Search and Filter work completely differently and it is useful to >>> understand these differences: >>> >>> Search - the top bar search looks through the database as it appears >>> in the rows and columns on the screen. For example, if you have the >>> Name Display in Preferences set to show "Surname, Given" then you can >>> match names as you originally tried with "Smith, J" and all of those >>> rows will match. But if you change the way that names are displayed >>> (in Preferences) then you will match that. The Search functionality >>> is probably the one you want to use most of the time, as it is most >>> straightforward, but has some limitations (see below). >>> >>> Filter - the side/bottom bar Filters use a more complex system. It is >>> not limited to what you see on the screen, but looks at the actual >>> data. The name search will try to match on any single name part >>> (given, surname, prefix, etc) of all names but appears to only match >>> one---you can't match part of given and part of surname as you were >>> first attempting. You can match surname, but not surname and given in >>> the same name. (If you Filter on "John", you will get matches of >>> people with firstname "John" but also those with surname "Johnson". >>> You just can't filter on combinations of first and lastnames, as you >>> were attempting). >>> >>> Some additional points: >>> >>> * The Filter will search alternative names too; Search only looks in >>> the primary name (the one showing). That is why if you do a Filter on >>> "Smith" you might see people listed that don't appear to match. But if >>> you edit that person's details, you might see that they have an >>> alternate name containing "smith". >>> >>> * You can open a bottom bar filter with top bar search, but that seems >>> buggy; best to use filters only in the sidebar. >>> >>> * The Filter allows "regular expressions". So you can find all of the >>> names that start with "B" and end in "ship": "B*ship". You can't do >>> that with the top bar Search. >>> >>> * The Search will only match what is visible. If a name or text is too >>> big to see in listing below topbar, then you won't find it. This is >>> something to keep in mind when Searching through Notes. Best to use >>> Filter for notes and other long text fields. >>> >>> Hope this helps! And I hope that we can integrate these two different >>> systems into one that can do it all. >>> >>> -Doug >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> On 22 April 2012 06:25, Jeff Hunt <jef...@gm...> wrote: >>>>> Hi Peter, I rushed in without checking what you had done. After >>>>> consulting the wife who uses Gramps a lot we came up with:--- >>>>> >>>>> Go to the filter screen as you have been doing. Select Custom Filter - >>>>> by clicking on the pencil - then create a rule from the rule list. >>>>> Give the filter a name. Go to general filters by clicking on the + and >>>>> scroll down. We selected 'People with the <Name>' and then filled in >>>>> the value for given name and family name in the appropriate text >>>>> boxes. >>>>> >>>>> Then return to ordinary filter and select the named custom filter and find. >>>>> >>>>> If this is not clear you can ask again privately. >>>>> >>>>> -J >>>>> >>>>> On 21/04/2012, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>> Unless I have misunderstood something fundamental, what Jeff seems to >>>>>> be describing is what I am already doing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anything think what I might be doing wrong? Of the various search >>>>>> phrases I mentioned, which should work? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am using fairly old hardware running Ubuntu 11.04, Gnome 2.32.1, and >>>>>> GRAMPS 3.3.1-1. Would it help if I post some screenshots? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance ... >>>>>> >>>>>> On 20 April 2012 22:31, Jeff Hunt <jef...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>>> From memory so beware but the trick is to make sure you are on the People >>>>>>> tab. >>>>>>> Then the search box on the right should work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21/04/2012, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm probably being dumb, but I can't find the answer to this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When displaying the 'People' category I can use the 'Name' field to >>>>>>>> filter the people displayed either by entering "John" to get all the >>>>>>>> people called John, or by entering "Smith" to get all the people >>>>>>>> called Smith, but it seems that I cannot enter "John Smith", "Smith >>>>>>>> John", Smith, John", "Smith, J", or any other permutation to get all >>>>>>>> the people called John Smith. Surely there must be a way to filter on >>>>>>>> forename+surname, but I have not found it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Help would be appreciated! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. >>>>>>>> Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. >>>>>>>> Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! >>>>>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Gramps-users mailing list >>>>>>>> Gra...@li... >>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. >>>>>> Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. >>>>>> Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. 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