Re: [Gramps-users] Purpose of different fields in event entry

[Benny M. <ben...@gm...>]

2011/2/9 Egor <ego...@gm...>

> Thanks Benny,
>
> This clears things a little for me.
>
> So could someone explain other roles?
>
> Who is "Aide"? Is it also a certain official role?
>

I would interpret that as a person helping, so eg the person who carries the
rings for a wedding ;-)  Or helping the celebrant

"Clergy"? Is it not the same as "Celebrant" then?
>

Yes, but clergy is religious and attached to specific religions.  Celebrant
is broader. Many religions allow ceremonies done by people who are not
clergy, and atheist will certainly not use clergy (eg funeraria have a
service, but not clergy).

"Witness"? I guess it could be an official person again (someone who
> signs marriage papers with the groom and bride) or it could be someone
> who was at the event as it happened (i.e. guest).
>

No, witness is a requirement of all official deeds, as they can be called
upon to state the marriage/bapt/... really happened. So in the sense of
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/witness :
*3. * *Law*
*b. * One who is called on to be present at a transaction in order to attest
to what takes place.
*c. * One who signs one's name to a document for the purpose of attesting to
its authenticity.


> I am still trying to map the few roles that are available to guests, but
> it seems none of the existing ones really fit.
>

No, guest is very informal. You will have to enter huge amounts of people to
your family tree that are not related if you add all guests. Gramps does
allow you to do it though, just type guest in the role field, and you can
reuse it and filter on it.

Benny

>
> Egor
>
> On 11-02-08 02:00 AM, Benny Malengier wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2011/2/6 Egor <ego...@gm... <mailto:ego...@gm...>>
> >
> >     Thank you Doug,
> >
> >     I think maybe I did not state clearly what I was asking. I did find
> out
> >     in the manual *how* to add events (i.e., which buttons to press). But
> I
> >     was not clear what is a better (or more common) way to assign
> >     participant types.
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 11-02-06 08:02 AM, doug wrote:
> >     > You can do it in various ways. The following is just one way:
> >     So my question is whether this is a "better" way. Or is adding it as
> a
> >     "personal" event better? If marriage is a family event, why are there
> >     participant types "bride" and "groom"? Should they never be used? Are
> >     they just left over from some older compatibility mode? I know there
> is
> >     more than one way to enter the same thing into the program. I am just
> >     trying to understand how people "normally" enter their event.
> >
> >     > Fred Bloggs, say Witness, or create one if the existing list isn't
> >     > suitable.
> >     > Next go to the Marriage event itself. Edit.
> >     > Shared information=> Attributes=> + => Attribute. Click to find
> >     > "Witness" (or whatever role you chose).
> >     "Whatever role you chose" was my question. What role do people
> normally
> >     choose for guests? At first I was choosing "family" because those
> were
> >     the family members of either groom or bride. But then when I
> converted
> >     the marriage event from personal to family, now "family" is the role
> of
> >     the bride and groom so I need to choose something else for the
> guests.
> >
> >     Related to this is a question of who is "Celebrant"? My understanding
> >     was that it is someone who celebrates something. Looking at
> Wikipedia,
> >     it seems this may be an official person who conducts the celebration.
> In
> >     Russian translation of gramps, this word is translated as something
> like
> >     "a person whose birthday is celebrated" which does not apply outside
> of
> >     birthday events... So what was the original purpose of this
> participant
> >     type and how do people use it?
> >
> >
> > The Russian translation seems to be wrong then. Celebrant in a catholic
> > service would be the priest. Other religions will have their own words.
> > Celebrant is more neutral.
> >
> >
> >     > A simple suggestion:
> >     > Go to the family.
> >     > Family=>Edit=>Events => +
> >     > Event Type - create a new type "family reunion".
> >     > Then go to all the Fred Bloggs present at the family reunion and
> make
> >     > them sharers in the event with a suitable attribute  ("primary",
> >     > "celebrant", "family", etc)
> >     >
> >     > Ditto for an anniversary, I suppose.
> >     That's the way I am doing it right now. However, I have two problems
> >     with this way.
> >     First, if I create a calendar report, these events *and* their
> >     anniversaries appear in the calendar. This makes the actual wedding
> and
> >     all the anniversaries appear on the same day in the calendar. Is
> there a
> >     way to filter out some types of events from calendar?
> >
> >
> > I don't know if cal report can filter it out. I do know it is bad to do
> > things so they show up in a certain way in a report. Reports change over
> > time.
> > The calendar is probably triggered by the 'primary' role, if it cannot
> > filter events then that is something to add to the cal report as a new
> > feature.
> >
> > Benny
> >
> >
> >     Second, custom events are not translatable. So when I export the
> >     database into narrative web folder in Russian, the event would still
> be
> >     "anniversary" since it does not have a match in Russian version of
> >     gramps. I suppose there is no way to provide a translation for custom
> >     events like this. For this reason, I was wondering if there are any
> more
> >     "standard" ways to enter these kinds of events. If not, I guess I
> will
> >     continue doing it as before.
> >
> >     Thank you,
> >     Egor
> >
> >
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