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Re: [Gramps-devel] Re : Additional Gramps functionality with FamilySearch
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From: jerome <rom...@ya...> - 2010-12-16 13:29:30
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Hi, I saw an overview of their API[1][2]. Maybe to support all these functions means a new view (like GeoView) rather than one Gramplet, no ? Note, API license[3] will be hard to translate into French (no fair use & Co). This is typical US law. But I know that LDS are working with our archives (maybe for their index project[4] like done in some French Archives), so maybe they have a valid license for people living out of USA ? [1] https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/api.php [2] https://devnet.familysearch.org/docs/research-wiki-api/research-wiki-api [3] https://devnet.familysearch.org/certification/affiliate-programs/familysearch-legal-agreements/APILicense.pdf/view [4] http://indexing.familysearch.org Jérôme --- En date de : Mer 15.12.10, Rob Healey <rob...@gm...> a écrit : De: Rob Healey <rob...@gm...> Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] Re : Additional Gramps functionality with FamilySearch À: "Gramps Development List" <gra...@li...> Date: Mercredi 15 décembre 2010, 22h47 Dear Doug: I do not know about any other users/ developers out there, but I already use and benefit from the data stored in FamilySearch! I already have a FS username/ password to their site too... I think that it would be an incredible advancement for Gramps to be able to directly interact with FS... Their data storage is probably the most protected storage besides the Government! Their records and computer database is 700 feet under ground!!! Yes, seven hundred feet under ground! The LDS tab in Gramps is for storing LDS data such as baptism, endowment, and sealed data! It is data private to their members... After so many years though the LDS information becomes public knowledge such as U. S. census records, birth, marriage, and death certificates! If UUID is necessary for committing our records/ database with theirs, then let's get started!!! I have no problems with accepting their license in using the api to their databases! I think that it would be great to have the "popup functionality" being added to the gramps-addons api! Doug, if I had the ability to travel with you, I think that it would be very exciting to be able to learn about genealogy from the people who keep the family tree protected by 700 feet of dirt... Sincerely yours, Rob G. Healey On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:11 AM, jerome <rom...@ya...> wrote: > Thank you for answers. Your'e welcome! There seems to be a lot going on in the genealogy world these days, and I see Gramps mentioned quite often. These are good discussion questions that I suspect many will be asking. >> I don't understand this question. GPL has to do with our >> code (all of our code). >> FamilySearch is not using any of our software, we will be using > theirs. > > GPL question about their API licence. Is it compatible ? Their code will come (or be retrieved) from an addon, and the addon can use whatever license it chooses and is appropriate. I have an item on my 3.3 TODO list to allow addons to have a popup "Agree to License" dialog. > Gramps provides a LDS tab, I do not use it, but what is the future for Gramps users ? FamilySearch is run by the LDS (Later Day Saints) people, so I suspect that that will be supported. Why would you think the LDS info is related to this issue? > Is there any API migration sample or new model, should be online, does they keep 'old' references, etc ... ? Good questions. I'll find out. -Doug > > > Jérôme > > > > --- En date de : Mer 15.12.10, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> a écrit : > >> De: Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> >> Objet: Re: Re : [Gramps-devel] Additional Gramps functionality with FamilySearch >> À: "jerome" <rom...@ya...> >> Cc: "Gramps Development List" <gra...@li...> >> Date: Mercredi 15 décembre 2010, 15h31 >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:49 AM, >> jerome <rom...@ya...> >> wrote: >> > It seems to be advanced features :) >> > but not available under Linux, BSD ... :( >> >> If you mean the Ohana software itself, I don't know. I >> wasn't >> suggesting anyone actually use their program, but just look >> at the >> functionality. >> >> >> If there are any particular questions or comments >> that you >> >> would like >> >> for be to take to the meeting, please let me >> know. >> > >> > * Where are stored our data with FamilyInsight ? What >> about privacy rules (alive, private data) ? >> >> FamilyInsight is the Ohana product... I have no idea about >> their data. >> FamilySearch data is on-line. I'll ask about data that one >> wishes to >> remain private, or even if there is such a private setting. >> I doubt >> it. Although, I think that they keep living people data >> private. >> >> > * What is the .paf extension ? Is there any up-to-date >> specification ? >> >> PAF is "Personal Ancestral File" and goes with FamilySearch >> product of >> the same name. I think that their format is irrelevant to >> us. >> >> > * Gramps provides LDS support. What should be done to >> avoid GPL licence violation and to keep support for Gramps' >> users ? >> >> I don't understand this question. GPL has to do with our >> code (all of >> our code). FamilySearch is not using any of our software, >> we will be >> using theirs. Gramps Users that would use a FamilySearch >> addon will >> have to abide by FamilySearch rules (just like users have >> to follow >> all rules of any site from which they get data). Gramps >> users will >> need an id/password from FamilySearch to use any of their >> API >> functionality. >> >> > Note, free software does not mean free of charge or >> freeware. >> > Is there any plan to provide services (free or not, IT >> Services - SSII) also working with free software ? >> >> Their software will remain copywrited with them, and I >> believe it will >> be a breach of their license to alter their code (for >> example, >> attempting to bypass login requirements). However, them >> seem very >> interested in growing and sharing their database, with the >> provisions >> that they want to keep control. Individual users can decide >> for >> themselves if they want to accept their constraints. Gramps >> would only >> be allowing the functionality to occur. >> >> If other on-line database adopt the FamilySearch API, then >> the same >> code would work with other sites. For example, if >> Ancestry.com >> implemented the FS API, then one could log into, and >> perform the same >> functions with their data. I have no idea if any other >> sites are >> considering this approach, nor if FS is making their API >> available for >> use. Another question to ask. >> >> -Doug >> >> > >> > >> > Jérôme >> > >> > >> > --- En date de : Mer 15.12.10, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> >> a écrit : >> > >> >> De: Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> >> >> Objet: [Gramps-devel] Additional Gramps >> functionality with FamilySearch >> >> À: "Gramps Development List" <gra...@li...> >> >> Date: Mercredi 15 décembre 2010, 13h46 >> >> I'll be going to RootsTech in >> >> February, 2011 to meet the people from >> >> FamilySearch who are developing a Python interface >> to their >> >> on-line >> >> shared database. >> >> >> >> One might wonder what kind of functionality this >> might >> >> allow Gramps. >> >> This product might give you an idea: >> >> >> >> http://www.ohanasoftware.com/VideoTutorials >> >> >> >> Especially check out the "Synchronize with >> FamilySearch >> >> Family Tree" >> >> video. I think that most of that functionality >> comes from >> >> FamilySearch, but might require some items be >> added to >> >> Gramps that we >> >> have already discussed (such as UUID). >> >> >> >> If there are any particular questions or comments >> that you >> >> would like >> >> for be to take to the meeting, please let me >> know. >> >> >> >> -Doug >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Lotusphere 2011 >> >> Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how >> >> to connect the dots, take your collaborative >> environment >> >> to the next level, and enter the era of Social >> Business. >> >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Gramps-devel mailing list >> >> Gra...@li... >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list Gra...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel -----La pièce jointe associée suit----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d -----La pièce jointe associée suit----- _______________________________________________ Gramps-devel mailing list Gra...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |