Re: [Gramps-devel] Communication

[Rob G. H. <rob...@gm...>]

Greetings:

	As far as a complete and expository report of the entire database, I
agree that there is already software out there that will complete and
create any entire database website as in the case of PHPGedView.  It
reads in a gedcom, and creates a website viewable with many options and
IMHO, a great piece of software...
	NarrativeWeb may even become extinct as there is software already in
open-source that can and does exactly what NarrativeWeb already does...
	It is an option that I never thought of until now because of your
earlier post...

	Thanks for the idea, and I will go look into it.....

Sincerely,
Rob G. Healey
On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 23:48 +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote:
> Hi,
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> On Tuesday 06 November 2007, Benny Malengier wrote:
> > 2007/11/5, Eero Tamminen <ee...@us...>:
> > > On Monday 05 November 2007, Don Allingham wrote:
> > > > If we step away, and look at this from a higher view (which, after
> > > > some lengthy debates, we are starting to get a bigger picture), we
> > > > can see that we really have two different issues.
> > > >
> > > >   1) The need for a simple web report for the vast majority of user=
s.
> > >
> > > Is there some start on specification that would state what this would
> > > and what it would NOT contain?
> > >
> > > (I myself would like a full export so I have trouble seeing what limi=
ted
> > > set of the data would be interesting and what is it's use-case, but I=
'm
> > > of course interested to hear about this!)
> >
> > Use case:
> > * people with limited webspace (yes, they still exist). Of course, this
> > is mainly what the option 'don't include images' is for, but I would
> > expect a limited web report to have only scaled down images, instead of
> > my 600dpi scans
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> I think scaling the images to a size more suitable for web should be done=
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> also for the full report as web reports are mainly intended for live
> browsing, not as link collection to material used for printing.  For
> printing one would use book report.
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> Can anybody come up with counterarguments?
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> > * people who want to share but not completely. Let's be honest, many
> > genealogists like to brag/show off/get reactions, but don't want alll
> > their information up for grabs on the net.
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> Neither this nor "persons with limited webspace" really tells much about
> the use-case.  I'd like to see a better list of what data is shared, with
> whom and why Gramps user or those people are interested in that data.
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> Based on your and earlier mails, the basic use-cases could be something
> like:
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> Presenting your relatives the information you've collected from them so
> that they can browse & verify it and read interesting notes about people=20
> (relatives) they've already heard about
> - they want to see everything you got/archived from them, notes about
>  persons etc.  Good looking content is important when they print the HTML
>  pages (not individual pictures) for sharing them with others
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> Sharing your data with other (unknown) genealogists:
> - For sharing your data so that people can find easily connections with
>   their own databases, the data should be:
>   - public (i.e. not contain anything that should go behind password)
>   - easily searchable (crawlers might have trouble indexing JS, so all
>     relevant content should be in plain HTML)
>   - consise so that it's easy to quickly view through the information and
>     print it out for verification of _basic_ facts.  I would think this
>     rules out pages containing only information for a single person/place
>  - What is NOT priority:
>    - For data exchange you want to use GEDCOM etc, not HTML
>    - I guess images are less important, so for this group small
>      thumbnails might suffice
>    - Making it easy to copy the data
>    - Good looking content (unless one wants to brag about this
>     Gramps report :))
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> Any other use-cases?  Different opinions on above?  Please comment!
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> > We do open source, but that does not mean we have to force our users
> > to have an open genealogy database.
> > Instead of hundreds options allowing to select the right amount=20
> > of information I want to show, a limited web report could do it just
> > right (dreaming doesn't hurt ;-D ).
> >
> > The fact that many people hide their family tree after a password
> > indicates not all people want the notes, ... to be on the web page. You
> > only need to forget once to set privacy to have a very embarrassing
> > situation (like I had with a mail I copied verbatim in a note, then
> > exported it to the website).
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> Ok, so the the smaller report wouldn't contain notes.
> Anything else that should NOT be included?
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> > * quick overview. Somebody wanting easy clickable content to all people=
,
> > without too much information on the screen. So essentially, the pedigre=
e
> > view but in html format.
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> I.e. basically something else than what we currently have? I've earlier
> proposed HTML table based pedigree report which would contain basic
> information of each person and link to other pedigree tables.  Some other
> genealogy programs do these.
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> Btw. The current web-report presents information in somewhat redundant /
> overlapping way. You get the same information in person page from these:
> - Person + parents + families entries
> - Pedigree entry
> - Ancestors entry
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> If possible, we should have one good enough way to show this information
> (and navigate forward from it) and remove the rest.  It would make pages
> both easier to read and to use less web space.  However, I don't have any=
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> good idea how to do that. :-)
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> > This just from the top of my head. This doesn't mean however I would
> > myself use a limited web report. I do not exclude it however.
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> 	- Eero
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Sincerely Yours,
Rob G. Healey

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