Thread: Re: list migration

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[OT]

 I am not receiving any copies of my own list posts. Does anyone have
 the same problem?

Dave Denholm wrote:

>You can send 'who' requests to majordomo. I send
>
>who info-gnuplot
>who info-gnuplot-digest
>who info-gnuplot-beta
>who info-gnuplot-beta-digest
>who bug-gnuplot
>
>to majordomo from time to time to keep my local list refreshed (for failure matching)
>

I just verified that this can be done.  I do not like this!!!  Not
one bit.  With the amount of spam that was being routed through
Dartmouth, it is clear that this facility is/was a spammer target.
It is not a far stretch of the imagination that an automated
program would target and query such a list to collect email
addresses.  Please, people's addresses cannot be placed on
a list that is publicly available.  And the sooner the Majordomo
list goes down, the better, as far as I'm concerned.  I've just
been discussing the sudden occurrence of spam with multi-
recipients of certain IEEE alias addressed emails, and I'm not
the only who would find something like the Majordomo "who"
disconcerting.  Please see if the SF email list can be made
private, accessible only to those four of you knowing the password.
Once a person's address gets out and starts floating about the
spammer lists, I suspect the game is over.

Thanks,

Dan

> Once a person's address gets out and starts floating about the
> spammer lists, I suspect the game is over.

Try spamassassin. I get about 400 spams per day (last time I checked)
and SA catches all but 2 or 3. And alot of the 2-3 that get through
are because my email is at the front of the alphabet. When I used to
report missed spams the result was always 'known spam'. By the time
I reported it it had become 'known' due to the reports of others :-)

Andy (who will be named Zachary in the next life)

On Thursday 16 October 2003 11:18, Daniel J Sebald wrote:
> Dave Denholm wrote:
> >You can send 'who' requests to majordomo. I send
> >who info-gnuplot-beta
>
> I just verified that this can be done.  I do not like this!!!  Not
> one bit.  With the amount of spam that was being routed through
> Dartmouth, it is clear that this facility is/was a spammer target.

Nice catch, Daniel.

I agree that this "feature" ceased being desirable behaviour=20
quite a while back.   Mailing-list subscription lists should not
be public knowledge.

=09Ethan
--=20
Ethan A Merritt       merritt@u.washington.edu
Biomolecular Structure Center Box 357742
University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195

Ethan Merritt <merritt@u.washington.edu> writes:

> On Thursday 16 October 2003 11:18, Daniel J Sebald wrote:
>> Dave Denholm wrote:
>> >You can send 'who' requests to majordomo. I send
>> >who info-gnuplot-beta
>>
>> I just verified that this can be done.  I do not like this!!!  Not
>> one bit.  With the amount of spam that was being routed through
>> Dartmouth, it is clear that this facility is/was a spammer target.
>
> Nice catch, Daniel.
>
> I agree that this "feature" ceased being desirable behaviour 
> quite a while back.   Mailing-list subscription lists should not
> be public knowledge.
>

Okay, I think I've changed them all to "list" rather than "open", so that
only people subscribed can ask.

I could set 'closed', but then even the list owner can't find out, and
I need to do that for my script which unsubscribes addresses that bounce.

[
 I do also get sent notifications about subscriptions and unsubscriptions,
 so I could have maintained the list that way, but it's not worth doing
 that now !
]

dd
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Dave Denholm              <dde...@es...>       http://www.esmertec.com

I did receive your following post.

-----Original Message-----
From: gnu...@li...
[mailto:gnu...@li...] On Behalf Of Lars Hecking
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:09 AM
To: gnu...@li...
Subject: Re: list migration

[OT]

 I am not receiving any copies of my own list posts. Does anyone have
 the same problem?

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All users have "not metoo" unset.  Sounds like a bug.  I'll see if
I can raise any attention at sourceforge.

Can I hear me now?

--ckg

On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:05:40PM -0400, asad wrote:
> I did receive your following post.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gnu...@li...
> [mailto:gnu...@li...] On Behalf Of Lars Hecking
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: gnu...@li...
> Subject: Re: list migration
> 
> 
> [OT]
> 
>  I am not receiving any copies of my own list posts. Does anyone have
>  the same problem?
> 

I did receive my own post.

Go figure.

Anyway, I've opened a case with sf so we'll see what they say.

--ckg

On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 09:16:27PM -0400, Clark Gaylord wrote:
> All users have "not metoo" unset.  Sounds like a bug.  I'll see if
> I can raise any attention at sourceforge.
> 
> Can I hear me now?
> 
> --ckg
> 
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:05:40PM -0400, asad wrote:
> > I did receive your following post.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gnu...@li...
> > [mailto:gnu...@li...] On Behalf Of Lars Hecking
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:09 AM
> > To: gnu...@li...
> > Subject: Re: list migration
> > 
> > 
> > [OT]
> > 
> >  I am not receiving any copies of my own list posts. Does anyone have
> >  the same problem?
> > 
> 
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Lars Hecking wrote:

>[OT]
>
> I am not receiving any copies of my own list posts. Does anyone have
> the same problem?
>

If you got an email from me ranting about the list members email
addresses not being made publicly available, then yes.

Dan

My second email made its way back; so no working.  -- Dan

Daniel J Sebald wrote:

>
>
> Lars Hecking wrote:
>
>> [OT]
>>
>> I am not receiving any copies of my own list posts. Does anyone have
>> the same problem?
>>
>
> If you got an email from me ranting about the list members email
> addresses not being made publicly available, then yes.
>
> Dan
>

Daniel J Sebald <dan...@ie...> writes:

> Lars Hecking wrote:
>
>>[OT]
>>
>> I am not receiving any copies of my own list posts. Does anyone have
>> the same problem?
>>
>
> If you got an email from me ranting about the list members email
> addresses not being made publicly available, then yes.
>

I don't think I saw that one ..?

I assume you were saying they shouldn't be public, rather than that
they should ..?

I guess the lists were configured in the days before spam was so bad, and
no-one ever changed them. It is mildly useful for people to be able
to find out the exact address they are subscribed as, but that's
not a strong argument.

OTOH I pretty much accept that my email address is going to get into
various lists no matter what I do, so I have to have a decent
anti-spam mechanism. So I don't care who gets hold of my address.

[ then again, this is "only" my work email address. I am less open
 with my personal one !
]

dd
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Dave Denholm              <dde...@es...>       http://www.esmertec.com

> If you got an email from me ranting about the list members email
> addresses not being made publicly available, then yes.

 I'll go and forward the 6000 spam emails I receive every month to
 you then, will I?

Me?  :)  Dave is the one who doesn't seem to mind them...

Anyway, my original point is that Dartmouth list seemed to be
a real spam target.  There seemed to be about one or two per
day routed through it.  I just imagine there was a ton of spam
we didn't see.  I suspect there are spammers out there that
collect emails by an automated means.  (Would this be
technically a form of data mining?)  I suspect that collecting
addresses and selling them is a source of revenue for some.
(Should be made universally illegal folks, I decree.)

Call me paranoid, but I'd prefer not having my address on a list
in which an automated program can "who" it and search for
@ symbols.  I can't recall a single spam to my alias address
for about three years until recently.  (I'm not blaming
gnuplot-info.)  And now I can see the slow increase in amount.
(Expletive deleted.)

Dan

Lars Hecking wrote:

>>If you got an email from me ranting about the list members email
>>addresses not being made publicly available, then yes.
>>    
>>
> 
> I'll go and forward the 6000 spam emails I receive every month to
> you then, will I?
>
>
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Daniel J Sebald <dan...@ie...> writes:

> Me?  :)  Dave is the one who doesn't seem to mind them...
>
> Anyway, my original point is that Dartmouth list seemed to be
> a real spam target.  There seemed to be about one or two per
> day routed through it.  I just imagine there was a ton of spam
> we didn't see.

Yeah, it all comes to info-gnuplot-owner (ie me) for approval :-(
There's probably about 50 a day you don't see.

> I suspect there are spammers out there that
> collect emails by an automated means.  (Would this be
> technically a form of data mining?)  I suspect that collecting
> addresses and selling them is a source of revenue for some.
> (Should be made universally illegal folks, I decree.)
>
> Call me paranoid, but I'd prefer not having my address on a list
> in which an automated program can "who" it and search for
> @ symbols.  I can't recall a single spam to my alias address
> for about three years until recently.  (I'm not blaming
> gnuplot-info.)  And now I can see the slow increase in amount.
> (Expletive deleted.)
>

Yeah, seems fair to me.

dd
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Daniel J Sebald writes:
> Me?  :)  Dave is the one who doesn't seem to mind them...

 See? For some reason missing posts made me miss the context ...

 Daniel, kindly, will you refrain from top-posting in the furture?
 It sucks almost as much as spam.

> Anyway, my original point is that Dartmouth list seemed to be
> a real spam target.  There seemed to be about one or two per
> day routed through it.  I just imagine there was a ton of spam
> we didn't see.  I suspect there are spammers out there that

 One or two a day doesn't make that much of a difference if you
 receive 100 or 200 ...

> collect emails by an automated means.  (Would this be
> technically a form of data mining?)  I suspect that collecting
> addresses and selling them is a source of revenue for some.
> (Should be made universally illegal folks, I decree.)
> 
> Call me paranoid, but I'd prefer not having my address on a list
> in which an automated program can "who" it and search for
> @ symbols.  I can't recall a single spam to my alias address
> for about three years until recently.  (I'm not blaming
> gnuplot-info.)  And now I can see the slow increase in amount.
> (Expletive deleted.)

 I am pretty sure that SF is protecting email addresses pretty well,
 even in archives. They have even stepped up anti-spam recently, which
 makes a considerable difference (for a while, I was getting most of
 all spam through SF).

 Can we please stop this thread now?

 Thank you.

Lars Hecking wrote:

>Daniel J Sebald writes:
>  
>
>>Me?  :)  Dave is the one who doesn't seem to mind them...
>>    
>>
> 
> See? For some reason missing posts made me miss the context ...
>
> Daniel, kindly, will you refrain from top-posting in the furture?
> It sucks almost as much as spam.
>  
>

Sorry.  No more top-posting... (Had to look that one up in The
Jargon Lexicon.)... or "TOFU".

And thank you Dave for setting the list private, and generally
taking care of list matters.

"Newbie"

(Too much Jargon Lexicon, you say?)

The CVS source tree has an error in ./prepare that wasn't there
a week or two ago.

--------

configure.in: 7: required file `./config.hin' not found
FATAL ERROR: Autoconf version 2.52 or higher is required for this script

Some part of the preparation process failed.
Please refer to INSTALL for details.

--------

In looking back at a version from a couple weeks ago that worked, I see
that there is no file called "config.h.in", just a "config.hin".  But in 
the latest
version, a file is created called "config.h.in", but no "config.hin".

Dan

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Daniel J Sebald wrote:

> configure.in: 7: required file `./config.hin' not found
> FATAL ERROR: Autoconf version 2.52 or higher is required for this script

The second line is your real problem, I think.  I upped AC_PREREQ to
version 2.52 two weeks ago.

> In looking back at a version from a couple weeks ago that worked, I see
> that there is no file called "config.h.in", just a "config.hin".  But in
> the latest version, a file is created called "config.h.in", but no
> "config.hin".

When is that file created?  What's creating it?

I guess the problem with config.hin is just a follow-up error, and the
real problem is AS_PREREQ().

-- 
Hans-Bernhard Broeker (br...@ph...)
Even if all the snow were burnt, ashes would remain.

> When is that file created?  What's creating it?

AM_CONFIG_HEADER(config.h:config.hin)

 It should probably be replaced with AC_CONFIG_HEADERS now.

> I guess the problem with config.hin is just a follow-up error, and the
> real problem is AS_PREREQ().

 Correct. prepare works fine with autoconf 2.57f.

Lars Hecking wrote:

>>When is that file created?  What's creating it?
>>    
>>
> 
>AM_CONFIG_HEADER(config.h:config.hin)
>
> It should probably be replaced with AC_CONFIG_HEADERS now.
>
>  
>
>>I guess the problem with config.hin is just a follow-up error, and the
>>real problem is AS_PREREQ().
>>    
>>
> 
> Correct. prepare works fine with autoconf 2.57f.
>

I downloaded the latest version of autoconf and it doesn't
compile on my system because of dependency problems.
I realize I should have an up-to-date system, but I can
see a cascade of updates coming.  Is there a way to work
around this momentarily?  I'd like to update my whole system
with a new set of binaries eventually, but not right now.

Thanks

Dan

Daniel J Sebald wrote:

>>
>> Correct. prepare works fine with autoconf 2.57f.
>>
>
> I downloaded the latest version of autoconf and it doesn't
> compile on my system because of dependency problems.
> I realize I should have an up-to-date system, but I can
> see a cascade of updates coming.  Is there a way to work
> around this momentarily?  I'd like to update my whole system
> with a new set of binaries eventually, but not right now. 

Never mind.  I can just download the individual source
files and place them in an old source tree.

Dan

Daniel J Sebald writes:

[Please stop CC'ing me. You are defeating the purpose of a mailing list.]

> I downloaded the latest version of autoconf and it doesn't
> compile on my system because of dependency problems.
> I realize I should have an up-to-date system, but I can
> see a cascade of updates coming.  Is there a way to work
> around this momentarily?  I'd like to update my whole system
> with a new set of binaries eventually, but not right now.

 A new snapshot release would help ...

Lars Hecking writes:
> 
> [OT]
> 
>  I am not receiving any copies of my own list posts. Does anyone have
>  the same problem?

 Did receive this one, after some big delay.

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