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From: Protea W. J. <aik...@gm...> - 2020-05-21 03:01:16
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On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:15 AM Maciej Galinski via Gimp-print-devel <gim...@li...> wrote: > > Hello, > > When You want to do a support for Canon Pixma G3411? I read on forums that many people have problem to run Scanner in this Printer serie. Maybe you know how do this? Hello Maciej, The G3400 series is supported in gutenprint (any reports or working or problems are welcome). Gutenprint is a printer driver program only. For scanning however, you need to look elsewhere: the SANE project handles scanning, so you should try their mailing list. Best regards, Gernot Hassenpflug |
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From: Maciej G. <j....@ic...> - 2020-05-21 01:06:08
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Hello, When You want to do a support for Canon Pixma G3411? I read on forums that many people have problem to run Scanner in this Printer serie. Maybe you know how do this? Best regards, Maciej |
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From: Robert K. <rl...@al...> - 2020-05-15 01:17:02
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On 5/14/20 9:25 AM, Kahraman wrote: > Hello, > > I use the Canon pima G3411. I downloaded the "gutenprint-5.3.3.dmg” driver > and I use the printer as unproblematic so thank you very much. Another > issue, I use the scanner too. I can not see scanner this driver > that gutenprint-5.3.3.dmg. > > Could you please help me about scanner? Hi, Gutenprint only supports the printer component of multi-function devices. For the scanner, you might try SANE (www.sane-project.org). |
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From: Kahraman <inc...@gm...> - 2020-05-14 13:25:47
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Hello, I use the Canon pima G3411. I downloaded the "gutenprint-5.3.3.dmg” driver and I use the printer as unproblematic so thank you very much. Another issue, I use the scanner too. I can not see scanner this driver that gutenprint-5.3.3.dmg. Could you please help me about scanner? Thank you |
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From: Solomon P. <pi...@sh...> - 2020-05-06 14:23:02
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I just cleaned out most of the dyesub-related tickets, and what's left
will probably get nuked too if the bug reporters don't respond to my pings.
A while ago I did a mass-closing of old tickets, leaving only things
that had been touched from 2010 onwards. It might be time to do this
again, perhaps with a >2015 cutoff.
Can everyone take a quick look at what's left?
- Solomon
--
Solomon Peachy pizza at shaftnet dot org (email&xmpp)
@pizza:shaftnet dot org (matrix)
High Springs, FL speachy (freenode)
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From: Protea W. J. <aik...@gm...> - 2020-05-02 15:11:38
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On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 11:13 PM Jürgen <xl...@gm...> wrote: > > Hello, I´m a happy Gutenprint driver user, first of all THANK YOU A LOT FOR YOUR WORK! > > I´m having a little problem that´s not on the FAQs. > I cannot chage the settings of my Canon BJC-1000 on OS 10.11.5 El Capital. > I go to: file/print/presets/show presets/Current - Printer Features/ Print Quality ¨Standrad¨ > > I guess I´m on the right way, but I cannot change anything, I do click, enter, space, tab, ctrl+clik, alt+clik.. nothing. > The main problem I´m having is that the printer is using too much ink, there is no garyscale, deep black, that makes documents unreadable. Hello Juergen, Thanks for the report. Are you saying that you cannot change options in the CUPS interface on your MacOSX machine? The printer has plenty of options available for inks. It is too bad the standard mode is not working properly, that needs to be looked at. But I am concerned you cannot select anything in CUPS. I will try to find time to install the BJC-1000 driver as a test on my home PC in the next day or two, and check whether I can select options. Please check also your other settings, I presume you have plain media set. If not, please set to plain media, so we can debug that first. Best regards, Gernot Hassenpflug |
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From: Jürgen <xl...@gm...> - 2020-05-02 04:14:48
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<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div>Hello, I´m a happy Gutenprint driver user, first of all THANK YOU A LOT FOR YOUR WORK!</div> <div> </div> <div>I´m having a little problem that´s not on the FAQs.</div> <div>I cannot chage the settings of my Canon BJC-1000 on OS 10.11.5 El Capital.</div> <div>I go to: file/print/presets/show presets/Current - Printer Features/ Print Quality ¨Standrad¨</div> <div> </div> <div>I guess I´m on the right way, but I cannot change anything, I do click, enter, space, tab, ctrl+clik, alt+clik.. nothing.</div> <div>The main problem I´m having is that the printer is using too much ink, there is no garyscale, deep black, that makes documents unreadable.</div> <div> </div> <div>Hope there is a way I can fix it.</div> <div> </div> <div>Thank again.</div> <div> </div> <div>Jorge</div> <div> </div></div></body></html> |
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From: Protea W. J. <aik...@gm...> - 2020-04-29 14:56:04
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Many thanks for confirming this. Best regards, Gernot Hassenpflug |
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From: darrask <da...@ym...> - 2020-04-29 11:32:46
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From: Jon S. <jon...@gm...> - 2020-04-26 23:10:49
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I just tried to use your driver for a Brother HL-L2395DW, but it doesn't work. Jon Scott |
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From: PETER M. <mo...@bt...> - 2020-04-16 14:07:32
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HalloExcuse me contacting you for help with my beginner's enquiry, not sure who else to write to, but I've searched both the web and your documentation for Gutenprint and I can't find a way forward (that I can understand). I'm a printmaker/photographer specialising in working with the photographic printing processes of the 1830s-1900s and I frequently need to use inkjet printers (mainly Epson 3800,3880 & 7880) to make digital negatives for my exhibition and commissioned work. I'm well used to relying on the Epson print drivers and QTR software and the output is of a reasonably high standard. However, I've recently found Gutenprint capable of producing negatives of a much superior quality, especially with regard to detail delineation, smoothness of tonal range and absence of "graininess", and I'm excited about this, for me, new development. I'm using the latest Gutenprint software on Mac Catalina. My problem is that I'm not at all familiar with coding - I'm more of a press the right button in the dialogue box person - and I've totally failed at finding a way to include linearisation curves within the Gutenprint driver instruction or even understanding how this could be done. In consequence I'm having to moderate my image using a Photoshop curve before passing the file to the Gutenprint driver and this alteration, of course, does affect the quality of the image file and can lead to unevenness or even mild posterisation of print tonality in the highlight and shadow areas. I'm happy to commission a developer to help me find a way to incorporate linearisations within the printer instructions or, assuming this is likely to be a well known process that only I do not comprehend, simply teach me how to do it. Might you be able to advise me,many thankspeter moseley |
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From: Robert K. <rl...@al...> - 2020-04-13 18:06:38
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:49:24 +0200, Angela e Gabriele via Gimp-print-devel wrote: > Dear Gutenprint development team, > > Thank you for your work. I'd like to try gutenprint with gimp for to improve color rendering on my Canon printer. > > But I can't compile it. > > i downloaded 5.3.3 release and MY system use Ubuntu 16.0.4.6 LTS. > > as cups develpment I've installed libcups2-dev. What version of CUPS do you have installed? -- Robert Krawitz <rl...@al...> *** MIT Engineers A Proud Tradition http://mitathletics.com *** Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- http://ProgFree.org Project lead for Gutenprint -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton |
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From: Angela e G. <ang...@vi...> - 2020-04-13 11:03:27
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Dear Gutenprint development team,
Thank you for your work. I'd like to try gutenprint with gimp for to
improve color rendering on my Canon printer.
But I can't compile it.
i downloaded 5.3.3 release and MY system use Ubuntu 16.0.4.6 LTS.
as cups develpment I've installed libcups2-dev.
The following is what I get using "sudo make" command.
rint-5.3.3/src/xml"
make[3]: uscita dalla directory
"/home/gabriele/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3/src/xml"
Making all in escputil
make[3]: ingresso nella directory
"/home/gabriele/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3/src/escputil"
CC d4lib.o
CC escputil.o
escputil.c: In function ‘send_nulls’:
escputil.c:697:3: warning: ignoring return value of ‘write’, declared
with attribute warn_unused_result [-Wunused-result]
(void) write(fd, buf, sizeof(buf));
^
CCLD escputil
make[3]: uscita dalla directory
"/home/gabriele/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3/src/escputil"
Making all in gutenprintui2
make[3]: ingresso nella directory
"/home/gabriele/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3/src/gutenprintui2"
make[3]: Nessuna operazione da eseguire per "all".
make[3]: uscita dalla directory
"/home/gabriele/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3/src/gutenprintui2"
Making all in gimp2
make[3]: ingresso nella directory
"/home/gabriele/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3/src/gimp2"
make[3]: Nessuna operazione da eseguire per "all".
make[3]: uscita dalla directory
"/home/gabriele/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3/src/gimp2"
Making all in cups
make[3]: ingresso nella directory
"/home/gabriele/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3/src/cups"
CC cups-calibrate.o
cups-calibrate.c: In function ‘send_pass4’:
cups-calibrate.c:782:3: warning: ignoring return value of ‘fgets’,
declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Wunused-result]
fgets(line, sizeof(line), ppm);
^
cups-calibrate.c:789:3: warning: ignoring return value of ‘fgets’,
declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Wunused-result]
fgets(line, sizeof(line), ppm);
^
CCLD cups-calibrate
CC gutenprint_5.3-gutenprint.o
In file included from gutenprint.c:40:0:
genppd.h:56:25: fatal error: cups/raster.h: File o directory non esistente
compilation terminated.
Makefile:1530: set di istruzioni per l'obiettivo
"gutenprint_5.3-gutenprint.o" non riuscito
make[3]: *** [gutenprint_5.3-gutenprint.o] Errore 1
make[3]: uscita dalla directory
"/home/gabriele/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3/src/cups"
Makefile:481: set di istruzioni per l'obiettivo "all-recursive" non riuscito
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Errore 1
make[2]: uscita dalla directory
"/home/gabriele/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3/src"
Makefile:597: set di istruzioni per l'obiettivo "all-recursive" non riuscito
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Errore 1
make[1]: uscita dalla directory
"/home/gabriele/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3"
Makefile:528: set di istruzioni per l'obiettivo "all" non riuscito
make: *** [all] Errore 2
gabriele@angelagabriele:~/Scaricati/gutenprint5.3.3/gutenprint-5.3.3$
(i'm sorry i get italian output automatically in ubuntu. uscita dalla
directory = out from directory and "set di istruzioni per l'obiettivo"
means "instruction set for target")
this is ./configure summary:
Gutenprint Configuration Summary:
---------- ------------- --------
If you have any problems, please report the information below to
gim...@li...
================================================================
Release: gutenprint 5.3.3 generated on 25 Aug 2019
Generated at Mon Apr 13 12:47:10 CEST 2020 by gabriele
Features:
Build CUPS: yes, installing in /usr
Build CUPS 1.2 enhancements: yes
Build CUPS PPD files: no
Generate PS level 3 CUPS PPD files: yes
Build genppd statically: yes
Build CUPS dyesub USB backend: no
Build EPSON inkjet utility: yes
Build enhanced Print plugin for GIMP: no
Build test programs: yes
Build testpattern generator: yes
Installation summary:
Installation prefix: /usr/local
Exec prefix: /usr/local (${prefix})
Data directory: /usr/local/share/gutenprint
Library directory: /usr/local/lib/gutenprint
(/usr/local/lib/gutenprint)
Executable directory: /usr/local/bin
(/usr/local/bin)
XML data directory: /usr/local/share/gutenprint/5.3/xml
Module directory: /usr/local/lib/gutenprint/5.3/modules
(/usr/local/lib/gutenprint/5.3/modules)
Install sample images: yes
General configuration:
Configure arguments:
Compiler: gcc
Compiler Version: gcc version 5.4.0
20160609 (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.12)
Compiler options: -Disfinite=finite -O3
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs
-Wwrite-strings -Werror-implicit-function-declaration -Winline
-Wformat=2 -finline-limit=131072 -Wformat -Werror=format-security
-Wmissing-prototypes
Build static libraries: yes
Build shared libraries: yes
Maintainer mode: no
Use i18n: yes
Generate profiling information: no
Generate debugging symbols: no
Use modules: static
Use readline libraries: yes
uname -a output: Linux angelagabriele
4.4.0-177-generic #207-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 16 01:16:10 UTC 2020 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
================================================================
thank you in advance if you can take an eye on my problem
best regards
Gabriele Casetti
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From: Manuel F. <flo...@gm...> - 2020-04-12 20:41:00
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Thanks to this software Im now able to use my canon printer on Mac Os. THANK YOU!! -- Manuel Flores |
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From: Protea W. J. <aik...@gm...> - 2020-04-12 10:43:16
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On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 11:31 PM Gustavo Duarte <gdu...@ho...> wrote: > Hello and thank you for the drivers that I could downloaded from your site. > Hello Gustavo, Thanks for the feedback. > I do have a macOS Catalina 10.15.4 and I could downloaded the drivers last > version for my Canon iP4300. The printer is working but I could not print > in colors. For any reason the option of cleaning and testing a print page > are not working. Here a picture about the options that are missing. Also > the option of Supply Levels is not working. > I am not familiar with the Mac interface for CUPS, but you could try the web interface, at http://localhost:631, that should have all the available options. The iP4300 is certainly supported in colour also, although the colours may not be calibrated very well. Please let me know if you can provide more details. Gutenprint does not offer any functionality for supply levels, cleaning, maintenance, etc., which is often a part of the printer driver in the manufacturer's driver. There may be some 3rd-party utilities available but I cannot speak for them. > Let me tell you the printer was working excellent before, but I made a > mistake deleting some files from my computer in order to make it faster. > Maybe I lost a file that helped the canon to print on colors and choose > type of quality paper. > I guess you are speaking here about printing wit the Canon driver of that printer. I cannot say anything about that, unfortunately. Best regards, Gernot Hassenpflug |
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From: Simon R. <sim...@gm...> - 2020-04-12 08:32:54
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Hello. Thios is just a quick note to say thanks for publishing your driver package for the Mac. I needed to print a 6x4 print to put in an anniversary card for my wife, but my new(ish) printer failed during the COVID-19 lockdown. But I found an ageing Kodak EasyShare printer in a cupboard, with plenty of photo paper and ink sheets. But I couldn't get a MacOS 10.13.x driver for it anywhere.....until I found your Gutenprint package on Sourceforge. And it worked! I couldn't see a way to donate to you to say thanks, so I just made a donation to Unicef on your behalf. Many thanks again. Simon |
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From: Gustavo D. <gdu...@ho...> - 2020-04-09 18:10:21
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Hello and thank you for the drivers that I could downloaded from your site. I do have a macOS Catalina 10.15.4 and I could downloaded the drivers last version for my Canon iP4300. The printer is working but I could not print in colors. For any reason the option of cleaning and testing a print page are not working. Here a picture about the options that are missing. Also the option of Supply Levels is not working. Let me tell you the printer was working excellent before, but I made a mistake deleting some files from my computer in order to make it faster. Maybe I lost a file that helped the canon to print on colors and choose type of quality paper. I will appreciate if you can help me with this issue. Best Regards, Gustavo A. Duarte |
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From: Jorge R. M. <jor...@gm...> - 2020-04-07 16:39:08
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Hi guys Saw this post: https://sourceforge.net/p/gimp-print/mailman/message/36352188/ And found out I am facing same conflict. I have two computers with same Ubuntu, Gutenprint and CUPS versions and both printing with the same Epson L380 printer (not identical printers but the very same one). i. e. I connect printer to computer one, and then I connect printer to computer 2. The output is totally different, with one of the computers printing comes out really good, with the other one, output is really really dark even though am using also same file. In the post above mentioned, I can see user believes dark printing is due to different ink refill, in my case everything is the same except output. I believe problem comes from something else but I can't find it. Do you have any idea where to look? Regards -- *Kab Networks* Jorge Robledo Manzur 5518817775 THIS EMAIL AND ANY FILES TRANSMITTED WITH IT ARE CONFIDENTIAL AND INTENDED SOLELY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHOM THEY ARE ADDRESSED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS EMAIL IN ERROR PLEASE NOTIFY THE SYSTEM MANAGER. THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL NAMED. IF YOU ARE NOT THE NAMED ADDRESSEE YOU SHOULD NOT DISSEMINATE, DISTRIBUTE OR COPY THIS EMAIL. PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY BY EMAIL IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS EMAIL BY MISTAKE AND DELETE THIS EMAIL FROM YOUR SYSTEM. IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT YOU ARE NOTIFIED THAT DISCLOSING, COPYING, DISTRIBUTING OR TAKING ANY ACTION IN RELIANCE ON THE CONTENTS OF THIS INFORMATION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. |
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From: Protea W. J. <aik...@gm...> - 2020-04-06 01:55:44
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On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 12:10 AM hepnu@kemkes via Gimp-print-devel <gim...@li...> wrote: > > I have canon lbp6030 printer, i run manjaro on raspberry pi 4. i can't > find any driver for lbp6030. hope that you can add this driver on the > next update. Hello Anton, This printer appears to be a monochrome laser printer, using the UFR II LT printer language. This is not supported in gutenprint, but Canon publishes drivers for linux: https://asia.canon/support/imageCLASS%20LBP6030__%20LBP6030B__%20LBP6030w/model I hope this helps. Best regards, Gernot Hassenpflug |
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From: Protea W. J. <aik...@gm...> - 2020-04-05 16:16:16
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:28 AM Matt Broughton <wal...@ma...> wrote: > > On Apr 5, 2020, at 10:02 AM, Protea Wines Japan <aik...@gm...> wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 11:25 PM janine bugnard <jbm...@fr...> wrote: /../ > With Mac OS 10.14 is it best ? > > Latest gutenprint does not install on MacOSX (actually, no versions > install in latest MacOSX at the moment), but this printer has not seen > any changes recently, so your gutenprint version is fine. > > Gernot -- The latest version for Mac is v5.3.3 and it will install on macos 10.7 through macos 10.14. It is only macos 10.15 Catalina where it will not install. We are still having problems getting the package notarized. Hi Matt, thanks for correcting, I will make a note, did not keep adequate track, and do not want to spread the wrong information. Best regards, Gernot Hassenpflug |
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From: Matt B. <wal...@ma...> - 2020-04-05 15:28:31
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> On Apr 5, 2020, at 10:02 AM, Protea Wines Japan <aik...@gm...> wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 11:25 PM janine bugnard <jbm...@fr...> wrote: >> >> Hello, I cannot print colors with Canon IP 5000, macOS 10.13.6, and driver Gutenprint 5.2.14. The same with 5.2.15 and 5.3.3. > > Hello Janine, > I am the maintainer for the Canon inkjet driver in gutenprint. > Thank you for reporting this issue. > >> Printer nozzles are clean. >> Have you a great idea for process this problem ? > > Can you be more specific? Which resolution modes have you tried? Are > you using plain media? Does black and white (monochrome) print fine > for you? > If we are going to debug, it would be best to try the modes for plain > media first. > > For plain media, the following modes can be selected: > 600x600 DPI > 300x300 DPI HIGH -> untested > 300x300 DPI > 300x300 DPI DRAFT > All of them can print in monochrome, and in colour. It would be good > to know how they work, starting from the bottom (draft). > >> And I don’t find impression page test. > > I am not sure what that means, do you mean you could not print a CUPS test page? > >> With Mac OS 10.14 is it best ? > > Latest gutenprint does not install on MacOSX (actually, no versions > install in latest MacOSX at the moment), but this printer has not seen > any changes recently, so your gutenprint version is fine. > Best regards, > Gernot Hassenpflug Gernot -- The latest version for Mac is v5.3.3 and it will install on macos 10.7 through macos 10.14. It is only macos 10.15 Catalina where it will not install. We are still having problems getting the package notarized. Matt |
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From: Protea W. J. <aik...@gm...> - 2020-04-05 15:03:08
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On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 11:25 PM janine bugnard <jbm...@fr...> wrote: > > Hello, I cannot print colors with Canon IP 5000, macOS 10.13.6, and driver Gutenprint 5.2.14. The same with 5.2.15 and 5.3.3. Hello Janine, I am the maintainer for the Canon inkjet driver in gutenprint. Thank you for reporting this issue. > Printer nozzles are clean. > Have you a great idea for process this problem ? Can you be more specific? Which resolution modes have you tried? Are you using plain media? Does black and white (monochrome) print fine for you? If we are going to debug, it would be best to try the modes for plain media first. For plain media, the following modes can be selected: 600x600 DPI 300x300 DPI HIGH -> untested 300x300 DPI 300x300 DPI DRAFT All of them can print in monochrome, and in colour. It would be good to know how they work, starting from the bottom (draft). > And I don’t find impression page test. I am not sure what that means, do you mean you could not print a CUPS test page? > With Mac OS 10.14 is it best ? Latest gutenprint does not install on MacOSX (actually, no versions install in latest MacOSX at the moment), but this printer has not seen any changes recently, so your gutenprint version is fine. Best regards, Gernot Hassenpflug |
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From: janine b. <jbm...@fr...> - 2020-04-05 10:01:13
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Hello, I cannot print colors with Canon IP 5000, macOS 10.13.6, and driver Gutenprint 5.2.14. The same with 5.2.15 and 5.3.3. Printer nozzles are clean. Have you a great idea for process this problem ? And I don’t find impression page test. With Mac OS 10.14 is it best ? Best regards. Jb |
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From: Ruben B. <ru...@ru...> - 2020-04-04 19:15:12
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Hej Solomon, Thanks for your answer, and thank you for your hard work making all these dye-sub printers available on Gutenprint. I’ve got the Mitsubishi CP-M1 and I’m looking into using it with a Raspberry Pi. Right now I’m in quarantine so I don’t have the RPi close to me so I decided to give it a shot on macOS to start with. But after reading your answer I guess I’ll skip macOS and try it on linux as soon as I get the chance. On an other note, It would be wonderful to see support for DNP QW410, if you decide to look into it let me know if there’s anything I could do to help. All the best! /Ruben > On 4 Apr 2020, at 18:58, Solomon Peachy <pi...@sh...> wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 11:43:56AM +0200, Ruben Broman wrote: >> I’ve used the Gutenprint 5.3.3 MacOS dmg installer to install >> Gutenprint on MacOS 10.14.6 Mojave. Now when trying to install >> selphy_print I can’t find where gutenprint.pc is. Could you please >> point me in the right direction? Find error message from selphy_print >> below. > > First, which printer model are you trying to use? > > Next, unless you have one of several Mitsubishi[-derived] models or the > Sinfonia CS2, there is no need for the image processing libraries and > data tables in my selphy_print repository -- the standard gutenprint > installer already has everything necessary. > > (And even if you do have one of those models, those manufacturers > provide native MacOS drivers anyway..) > > And lastly, due to the considerable complexity in dealing with MacOS, > selphy_print does not support standalone installation. Indeed, due to > MacOS security, I'm not sure what gets compiled will even function. > > (That said, it ought to at least compile. I'll look into that..) > > - Solomon > -- > Solomon Peachy pizza at shaftnet dot org > High Springs, FL ^^ (email/xmpp) ^^ > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. |
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