From: Ralf B. <Ral...@ou...> - 2008-03-31 10:20:07
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Hi Frank, good idea I CC'ed Stefan (our newest project member), who's started looking for the website. Ralf Frank-D schrieb: > Hi all, > > I just found one more thing to improve the usability of the community and > the public appereance of egw. > The Tab Community does show sort of a mission statemant: > http://www.egroupware.org/community > There are no more links, only one the infolog ( > http://www.egroupware.org/egroupware/infolog ), which shows only irrelevant > entries, if you are not logged in and shows outdated entries mixed with > test-entries if logged in. > > the very relevant page http://www.egroupware.org/join should be shown as > start page of category Community (using sitemgr words now), the "about" page > renamed to "Community-Mission" or even added to the Constitution page. > The Link to infolog has to be removed. And Infolog should be disabled for > most users (anybody using it here?). > > Imho egrouware has great ways for everybody to contribute, at the moment > it's quite difficult to find those ways. > > best regards Frank > > > > > Frank-D wrote: >> Hi Ralf, Hi Wolf, >> >> thank you very much for your answers. thinking about my post, driving >> home, I already had the idea, that maybe, if I visit the Wiki logged in, >> there will be the possibility to edit. >> >> Imho this is great. I think with some minor changes to the website, the >> edit-access to the wiki could be made more transparent and easier to use >> (I think it's not just chance, that I didn't know why I already was able >> to edit the wiki). I will discuss this in the next sentences: >> >> To access the wiki in edit-mode you have to leave the sitemgr-site area >> and switch to the egroupware view. In order to access edit-mode more >> easily I just told my browser to always log me into the egroupware website >> (username, password). If I do this, it's hard to find a way (by clicking >> not by URL itself) to access the groupware part (and leave sitemgr-site) >> the only possibility I found is, "community->join" and than e.g. >> "eGroupWare.org's eGroupWare installation". There is no way accessing the >> wiki (edit-option) reading the Documentation. And I already did setup two >> sitemgr-site websites. >> >> What I propose: A small html-module on top or beneath the >> Documentation-Start page, which will be visible in all the wiki this way. >> >> suggestion for text: >> visible for people logged in (in sitemgr-site): >> "You can edit most sites of this wiki (exept adminstrative sites like >> AdminDecisions and >> ProjectMembers). *Click here to access the wiki in order to edit the >> content* (link to wiki [http://www.egroupware.org/egroupware/wiki/], leave >> sitemgr-site)" >> >> If there is a possibilty to pass the current wiki site (of sitemgr-site) >> via the URL, this would be nice, too. >> >> visible for people not logged in: >> This Documentation is based on a Wiki. As a community member, you can edit >> and add content to the wiki, just login first, *clicking here* >> (http://www.egroupware.org/egroupware/login.php?cd=1&domain=www.egroupware.org), >> or using the login dialogue on the bottom left of this page. If you have >> no account yet, *click here to register* (link to registration >> http://www.egroupware.org:8080/egroupware/registration/ ) >> >> "This documentation is the eGroupWare community area for development >> drafts, discussion and documentation. Want to learn Wiki formatting? See >> WikkiTikkiTavi or play around in the SandBox." which is part of the >> wiki-startpage could stay. >> The formatting sentence, could be moved to the html-module for logged in >> users. >> >> Those changes I proposed can be done very easily. Other feature request, >> which can be derived from the difficult edit-access: >> add the feature to edit wiki-sites to the sitemgr-wiki module. A >> automatically added link to the wiki page for users with edit rights, >> would do fine. >> I will add the feature request to the tracker >> >> best regards Frank >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Wolf Fle wrote: >>> he ralf, >>> the main restrictions of the wiki are two: >>> 1. there is no table of contents >>> 2. there ist no chance to comment >>> thats why i prefer the structure of a forum or mixed like: >>> http://www.php.net/manual/de/function.preg-replace.php >>> >>> additionally i like bug-fix and feature-request with ebay-like >>> competition. >>> what do you think? >>> wolf >>> >>> >>> Ralf Becker-3 wrote: >>>> Hi Frank, >>>> >>>> just a little correction, most parts of the wiki are editable by every >>>> registered user. Only some administrativ pages (AdminDecisions, >>>> ProjectMembers, ...) and the main index is protected. >>>> >>>> So there's (nearly) no restriction in updating or adding content to the >>>> wiki. >>>> >>>> Ralf >>>> >>>> Frank-D schrieb: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> At the moment I am writing mails to the mailinglists, if I want to >>>>> share my >>>>> knowledge about something. I want to contribute in a more structured >>>>> way, >>>>> too. I myself am a little bit confused about the many different ways >>>>> the >>>>> knowledge seems to be documented at the moment. I think this may be >>>>> improved >>>>> and in the following lines I want to describe the situation how I >>>>> observe it >>>>> at the moment (please correct me, if I a wrong somewhere), in order to >>>>> start >>>>> a discussion >>>>> >>>>> Mailinglists and nabble: >>>>> this is the part visited most often by the community, two parallel ways >>>>> to >>>>> access (mailinglist and nabble) serve different needs. quite nice >>>>> search >>>>> functionalities, recently nabble seems to have some problems offering >>>>> the >>>>> service, seperate mailinglists for several languages >>>>> the forum (nabble) is very easy to be used >>>>> >>>>> Knowbase: >>>>> all together 35 articles. In many categories, there is no content at >>>>> all. >>>>> Nice way to rate content. No new content for 2008 so far. Some really >>>>> important articles, some article which contain only a link to the wiki >>>>> or >>>>> say, that the content is outdated >>>>> altogether: really small amount of content, which could migrated to >>>>> another >>>>> container (e.g. wiki) quite easily, management of multi-lingual content >>>>> is >>>>> not supported (?) >>>>> >>>>> Wiki (Documentation): >>>>> A lot of content. The user manuals (both the German and the English >>>>> one) are >>>>> content of the wiki, too. Multilingual content management support. >>>>> The manuals and other pages sometimes seem to have parallel structure. >>>>> The >>>>> manual references additional pages, which are not part of the (printed) >>>>> manual, too (?). >>>>> The wiki is updated very often. The content is quite reliable and up-to >>>>> date. Only a few people have edit-access. >>>>> >>>>> News: >>>>> News are used to display important information on the homepage. The >>>>> information is always published somewhere else, too (Wiki, mailinglist >>>>> etc) >>>>> I think this is how News should be used. >>>>> >>>>> Community: Tracker for Feature Request and Bugs, everything fine, >>>>> sometimes >>>>> there are references to nabble >>>>> >>>>> http://www.egroupware-deutschland.org/ >>>>> phpBB based Forum (no mailinglist); used especially for FAQ. A team of >>>>> authors extracts the most important questions and answers from the >>>>> mailinglists (nabble etc), all together 43 posts, which have more the >>>>> characteristic of articles, than discussions >>>>> no link from egroupware.org website >>>>> >>>>> conclusion: >>>>> highly distributed information, which makes searching quite difficult >>>>> and >>>>> might irritate new users (after some time you know, that nabble and the >>>>> wiki >>>>> are the places to look). Only few people do contribute to the more >>>>> condensed >>>>> and stable documentation part (like wiki and manual) >>>>> >>>>> Questions to be considered: >>>>> What is the future of nabble? Can we rely on them, or is the service in >>>>> danger of being shut down? (I simply don't know nothing about this, I >>>>> only >>>>> experienced their maintenance problems? >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions: >>>>> 1. Migrate content from Knowbase to Wiki, disable Knowbase in >>>>> egroupware.org >>>>> 2. Give the http://www.egroupware-deutschland.org/ authors to the >>>>> german FAQ >>>>> inside the wiki (edit) and move the content from >>>>> http://www.egroupware-deutschland.org/ to this FAQ (of course, only if >>>>> they >>>>> agree) >>>>> 3. think about a way of commenting/contributing to wiki for non-editors >>>>> (perhaps comments, or a edit-able sister-site for each important site, >>>>> or >>>>> publishing workflow) This way the people writing the wiki (great job!) >>>>> could >>>>> easier access and integrate contribution from the community (less own >>>>> work, >>>>> even better/more content), >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> best regards Frank >>>> -- >>>> Ralf Becker >>>> eGroupWare Training & Support ==> http://www.egroupware-support.de >>>> Outdoor Unlimited Training GmbH [www.outdoor-training.de] >>>> Handelsregister HRB Kaiserslautern 3587 >>>> Geschäftsführer Birgit und Ralf Becker >>>> Leibnizstr. 17, 67663 Kaiserslautern, Germany >>>> Telefon +49 (0)631 31657-0 >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>>> Defy all challenges. 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