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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] HostAP driver works under DL

[Diego T. <dt...@co...>]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:39:55PM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> 
> 2 possible reason for this:
> 
> Either the symlink is missing (mine are there):
> Or in /etc/sysconfig/config
> is missing or there is a typo

both checked and both are ok... it's strange.. :)

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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] HostAP driver works under DL

[Heiko Z. <hz...@pr...>]

On 03/17/2003 01:03:57 PM Diego Torres wrote:
>On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:54:36PM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote:
>
>> >mm, thxs to the author then :) btw, i'm not sure if this is a bug,
>but
>> >why the openvpn package doesn't start if it's configured as the res=
t
>of
>> >services?
>>
>> I can't help you there, I never used OpenVPN,.
>
>could you check it? doesn't matter if its configured, the problem is
>that /etc/init.d/openvpn is never called when the system is booting...=

>:?

2 possible reason for this:

Either the symlink is missing (mine are there):
root@pdnet-temp:~ # l /etc/init.d/rc3.d/*open*
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           10 Mar 17 16:57
/etc/init.d/rc3.d/K12openvpn -> ../openvpn*
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           10 Mar 17 16:57
/etc/init.d/rc3.d/S09openvpn -> ../openvpn*

Or in /etc/sysconfig/config
START_OPENVPN=3Dyes
is missing or there is a typo

cya
  Heiko
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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] HostAP driver works under DL

[Diego T. <dt...@co...>]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:54:36PM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote:

> >mm, thxs to the author then :) btw, i'm not sure if this is a bug, but
> >why the openvpn package doesn't start if it's configured as the rest of
> >services?
> 
> I can't help you there, I never used OpenVPN,.

could you check it? doesn't matter if its configured, the problem is that /etc/init.d/openvpn is never called when the system is booting... :?


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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] HostAP driver works under DL

[Heiko Z. <hz...@pr...>]

On 03/17/2003 11:12:45 AM Diego Torres wrote:
>On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 09:22:32PM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote:
>> >i'll try to fix the problem with oidentd (last time i checked it wa=
s
>still
>> >open) in the meanwhile...
>>
>> That's fixed, the author released a new version a short while ago.
>
>mm, thxs to the author then :) btw, i'm not sure if this is a bug, but=

>why the openvpn package doesn't start if it's configured as the rest o=
f
>services?

I can't help you there, I never used OpenVPN,.

Heiko
=

Re: [Devil-linux-develop] 0.6 and future releases

[Heiko Z. <hz...@pr...>]

On 03/17/2003 11:06:30 AM "John van V." wrote:
>--- Heiko Zuerker <hz...@pr...> wrote:
>
>> >Then we'd just need a dhcp and tftp client in the initrd. The
>parameters
>> >from where to pull the file comes via the dhcp protocol.
>>
>> That's why I love Friedrich !
>
>This is where I have been going with uClibc and Initrd.  I honestly
>think we
>are approaching the day where we can run the entire basic DL OS from
>Intird,
>but I think Initrd will have to become InitVFS, because with RAM disk
>you have
>to specify  size in the kernel and once set.. you dont get anymore.

We don't really need more, or do we?

>I personally see a vast number of threads starting here !!  Even/odd
>versioning, Compile farms, Mosix, Remote config...

Yeah.
We just need the man power to do it all (the right way).

>I also see a few over looked quandrys, for instace, how can you use th=
e
>DHCP in
>Initrd unless the ethernet is loaded first.  That will require
>auto-configuration which is bulky unless you write your own.

Hmm you're right.
I think it should be something like "modprobe -t net *" to keep it easy=
.

>Somehow I feel that the best course for DL is to get it completely
>modular so
>that users can concentrate on individual tasks and requirements and
>easily
>switch them in and out.
>
>Also, all the component parts of DL, such as the compile farm build
>should be
>available as modules.

The compile farm stuff is far from being included into DL, I'm just pla=
ying
around with my SuSE and Debian installations.
I just managed to get 2x PII-500 MHz without HDDs, depending on the res=
ult
tonight, I'll probably include the Cluster stuff earlier then planned.
And of course, there is for everyhing an option in "make menuconfig", s=
o
you'll always can turn it off.

>I am getting my portal software today, supposedly, but I definately
>want to get
>my DL/eLSD build kit for the new uClibc compile file system image.  I
>hope that
>helps with the low level stuff.

You also should give the build system another try, it seems to work for=

anybody else.

>Oh, isnt tftp notoriously hated for security reasons ??

Yepp.
But the idea is not to use it in security related areas.
Oh by the way, wget + https would solve that problem, correct?

cya
  Heiko
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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] HostAP driver works under DL

[Diego T. <dt...@co...>]

On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 09:22:32PM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> >i'll try to fix the problem with oidentd (last time i checked it was still 
> >open) in the meanwhile...
> 
> That's fixed, the author released a new version a short while ago.

mm, thxs to the author then :) btw, i'm not sure if this is a bug, but why the openvpn package doesn't start if it's configured as the rest of services?


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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] 0.6 and future releases

[John v. V. <joh...@ya...>]

--- Heiko Zuerker <hz...@pr...> wrote:

> >Then we'd just need a dhcp and tftp client in the initrd. The parameters
> >from where to pull the file comes via the dhcp protocol.
> 
> That's why I love Friedrich !

This is where I have been going with uClibc and Initrd.  I honestly think we
are approaching the day where we can run the entire basic DL OS from Intird,
but I think Initrd will have to become InitVFS, because with RAM disk you have
to specify  size in the kernel and once set.. you dont get anymore.

I personally see a vast number of threads starting here !!  Even/odd
versioning, Compile farms, Mosix, Remote config...

I also see a few over looked quandrys, for instace, how can you use the DHCP in
Initrd unless the ethernet is loaded first.  That will require
auto-configuration which is bulky unless you write your own.

Somehow I feel that the best course for DL is to get it completely modular so
that users can concentrate on individual tasks and requirements and easily
switch them in and out.

Also, all the component parts of DL, such as the compile farm build should be
available as modules.

I am getting my portal software today, supposedly, but I definately want to get
my DL/eLSD build kit for the new uClibc compile file system image.  I hope that
helps with the low level stuff.

My $0.02,

John

Oh, isnt tftp notoriously hated for security reasons ??



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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] 0.6 and future releases

[Heiko Z. <hz...@pr...>]

On 03/17/2003 03:09:46 AM Friedrich Lobenstock wrote:
>Heiko Zuerker wrote:
>> Diego Torres wrote:
>> The only thing I really would like to see soon, is storing and loadi=
ng
>> the configuration from a web server. This would ease the use of
>internal
>> DL servers for non-security related tasks.
>
>Then we'd just need a dhcp and tftp client in the initrd. The paramete=
rs
>from where to pull the file comes via the dhcp protocol.

That's why I love Friedrich !

cya
  Heiko
=

Re: [Devil-linux-develop] 0.6 and future releases

[Friedrich L. <fl...@fl...>]

Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> Diego Torres wrote:
>> i also have a question for Heiko... are you happy with the current 
>> script system? (startup, package installation, booting procedure, etc)?
> 
> I don't have any complains about it, but we're always open for good ideas.
> The only thing I really would like to see soon, is storing and loading 
> the configuration from a web server. This would ease the use of internal 
> DL servers for non-security related tasks.

Then we'd just need a dhcp and tftp client in the initrd. The parameters
from where to pull the file comes via the dhcp protocol.

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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] distcc / (open-)mosix

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> I'll also do another test with (Open-)Mosix, I found a mistake I did 
> last time.
> 
> Let's see if I won't get a compile farm set up here...

Woooohoooo !
Outside the chroot jail the cluster works now, inside the chroot not 
yet. That's already further then I got before!

I'm currently using Mosix (had already the Kernels compiled), let's see 
what I find on the web. I'll also try the OpenMosix Kernel soon.

I'll keep you posted.

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[Devil-linux-develop] distcc / (open-)mosix

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Hey,

I did more tests with distcc over the last few days and it's not working 
for us yet. With using the available masquerade patch it works much 
better but still messes up some compiles. Let's see what to future brings.

I'll also do another test with (Open-)Mosix, I found a mistake I did 
last time.

Let's see if I won't get a compile farm set up here...

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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] 0.6 and future releases

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Diego Torres wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 04:28:55PM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> 
> 
>>At the moment we collect a lot of changes and then release a new version 
>>after a very long time.
>>We could go ahead and release a new version i.e. every 1-3 month.
>>What do you guys think about it?
> 
> 
> i like the current release policy -> releasing only when the rc is tested for a while.

When we release a maintenance release on a regular basis, without any 
new features, I think this should improve the quality of DL a lot.

> moving to webmin could be a very good thing, but we should take care about the number of packages included on dl. the more packages we include, the more work we should keep doing (upgrading to never versions, etc)

Webmin would just be a web based configuration tool, which is an 
additional option.

> i also have a question for Heiko... are you happy with the current script system? (startup, package installation, booting procedure, etc)?

I don't have any complains about it, but we're always open for good ideas.
The only thing I really would like to see soon, is storing and loading 
the configuration from a web server. This would ease the use of internal 
DL servers for non-security related tasks.

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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] HostAP driver works under DL

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Diego Torres wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 04:36:11PM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> 
>>>is there PPPoE/A support on DL?
>>>
>>
>>yes, rp-pppoe
>>http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe/
> 
> 
> hmm, time to checkout the cvs and upgrade the machines with dl that i manage :)
> 
> i'll try to fix the problem with oidentd (last time i checked it was still open) in the meanwhile...

That's fixed, the author released a new version a short while ago.

-- 

Regards
   Heiko

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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] 0.6 and future releases

[Diego T. <dt...@co...>]

On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 04:28:55PM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote:

> At the moment we collect a lot of changes and then release a new version 
> after a very long time.
> We could go ahead and release a new version i.e. every 1-3 month.
> What do you guys think about it?

i like the current release policy -> releasing only when the rc is tested for a while.

moving to webmin could be a very good thing, but we should take care about the number of packages included on dl. the more packages we include, the more work we should keep doing (upgrading to never versions, etc)

i also have a question for Heiko... are you happy with the current script system? (startup, package installation, booting procedure, etc)?

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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] HostAP driver works under DL

[Diego T. <dt...@co...>]

On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 04:36:11PM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> >is there PPPoE/A support on DL?
> >
> 
> yes, rp-pppoe
> http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe/

hmm, time to checkout the cvs and upgrade the machines with dl that i manage :)

i'll try to fix the problem with oidentd (last time i checked it was still open) in the meanwhile...

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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] Re: 0.6 and future releases

[Emmanuel E. <ee...@ma...>]

Heiko Zuerker a écrit:

> Hi,
>
> ok here's a proposal:
>
> We use the same versioning scheme as the kernel folks:
> even numbers for stable and uneven for unstable/development versions.
>
> The next release will be 0.6.0 and every 1-3 month we will release a 
> new version which just includes bugfixes and updates (0.6.1, 0.6.2, 
> etc.).
> Parallel we start with 0.7.0 which is our development version.
>
It sounds Goooooood ;-))))

Re: [Devil-linux-develop] Re: 0.6 and future releases

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Hi,

ok here's a proposal:

We use the same versioning scheme as the kernel folks:
even numbers for stable and uneven for unstable/development versions.

The next release will be 0.6.0 and every 1-3 month we will release a new 
version which just includes bugfixes and updates (0.6.1, 0.6.2, etc.).
Parallel we start with 0.7.0 which is our development version.

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[Devil-linux-develop] Re: 0.6 and future releases

[Emmanuel E. <ee...@fr...>]

Hi all,

I'm quite new on this ML, but not so much as a user (i've got 4 DL boxes 
running for more than a year, a 5th will be installed next week) so i 
consider 2 things :

    * for a security goal distro, it's not good to wait months until 
releasing a new version if there are important security holes in 
essential pakages such as ssl, ssh, freeswan ... maybe apache could wait 
a little more ( i don't want to make a troll, sorry if apache is a bad 
exemple for you).

    * on the other hand, it's not a good thing to hurry making a new 
release (of the devel branch) because there are some important security 
holes , having more risks to have a disfunction in something important 
(i remember pbs i had with cron, due to use of grsec patches ... on 
0.6b1 iso)

In other words, every reliable distro make updates for 2 branches : the 
stable and the devel in order to dissociate those 2 aspects. I 
understand you're not SuSE ! but what about the credibility of your 
distro if you begin to miss one of your goals ? Or maybe your next 
target is having best a more general lightweight than robust distro ;-)

(Please, don't be offended by my words, criticize you all is the last 
thing i have in mind ...  i barely speak english)

I mean i'd preffer having a monthly or so DL 5.x with updated security 
only packages, which i could burn, put in the cd drive of my boxes, 
reboot and be quiet

and same rythm for new functionnalities as thoses DL Boxes don't need to 
every morning.

I think someone really needing something not in the distro should 
download the devel environment and spend some time on it and contibute! 
I think Heiko (and/or other good developpers) is better to work on grsec 
patches , or libs for fwbuilder than on integration of webmin  (from my 
point of view only ...) as He  is  competent on such serious job; let 
others less experienced (like me) work on less important things .

As Friedrich, i'm questionning about where you want to go.

Best Regards

Re: [Devil-linux-develop] 0.6 and future releases

[John v. V. <joh...@ya...>]

> 
> Yeah, speak up guys ! ;-)
> 

Ok :)

"dont change a hair for me, not if you care for me"
       From "my funny valentine"
           -- billie holiday version is best :)

I have only looked at webmin a little, but it seems to be built around command
line linux, wrapped up in perl for the web.  It has a very busy mailing list. 
I get the impression they would embrace DL, though I didnt ask.

Keeping things simple and modular makes sense, automating later through webmin
or another web server.  It would be nice to do everything from the build to the
kernel compile all custom on some donated server.  Or the webserver could be
in-house, on the users support box.








--- Heiko Zuerker <he...@zu...> wrote:
> Friedrich Lobenstock wrote:
> > Hello Heiko and all!
> > 
> > Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> > 
> >> I was thinking about releasing 0.6 soon and change the release policy.
> >>
> >> At the moment we collect a lot of changes and then release a new 
> >> version after a very long time.
> >> We could go ahead and release a new version i.e. every 1-3 month.
> >> What do you guys think about it?
> > 
> > 
> > I think that you are somehow in the same position as Linus Torvalds.
> > The kernel development is also too long because of the featurism,...
> 
> Or you could call it evolution.
> 
> > But I think good things do take a while and throwing out releases too
> > often makes it moving a little too fast. When you'll be releasing 0.6
> > a lot of people have to learn how to use the new features, which will
> > take it's time. And a release also will take more time from us to do
> > the mailinglist support.
> 
> That's true. We would need to count more on the people on the mailinglist.
> 
> > For me it looks as if we are getting too broad as from where we started.
> > Devil-Linux nowadays does lot's more than just simple firewalls. I
> > know this is cool, but can we manage it in the future? Basically I
> > want to put up the question where are we heading too?
> 
> I understand your concerns.
> 
> I have some ideas about automating more things and due to that freeing 
> up more time for us:
> - pre-defined configuration profiles:
>    make config router
>    make config all
> - dedicated compile host which does nothing else then compiling all the 
>     different profiles and sending emails when there's a problem.
> - automatic download of newer release of the used sources
> 
> > So much from my side. Now I'd like all others to choin in.
> 
> Yeah, speak up guys ! ;-)
> 
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> 
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>    Heiko
> 
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> 
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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] 0.6 and future releases

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Friedrich Lobenstock wrote:
> Hello Heiko and all!
> 
> Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> 
>> I was thinking about releasing 0.6 soon and change the release policy.
>>
>> At the moment we collect a lot of changes and then release a new 
>> version after a very long time.
>> We could go ahead and release a new version i.e. every 1-3 month.
>> What do you guys think about it?
> 
> 
> I think that you are somehow in the same position as Linus Torvalds.
> The kernel development is also too long because of the featurism,...

Or you could call it evolution.

> But I think good things do take a while and throwing out releases too
> often makes it moving a little too fast. When you'll be releasing 0.6
> a lot of people have to learn how to use the new features, which will
> take it's time. And a release also will take more time from us to do
> the mailinglist support.

That's true. We would need to count more on the people on the mailinglist.

> For me it looks as if we are getting too broad as from where we started.
> Devil-Linux nowadays does lot's more than just simple firewalls. I
> know this is cool, but can we manage it in the future? Basically I
> want to put up the question where are we heading too?

I understand your concerns.

I have some ideas about automating more things and due to that freeing 
up more time for us:
- pre-defined configuration profiles:
   make config router
   make config all
- dedicated compile host which does nothing else then compiling all the 
    different profiles and sending emails when there's a problem.
- automatic download of newer release of the used sources

> So much from my side. Now I'd like all others to choin in.

Yeah, speak up guys ! ;-)

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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] Re: 0.6 and future releases

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Steve Flynn wrote:
> More frequent releases would be great to keep up with new s/w versions and
> security patches.

That's one of the reason why I thought we should do it.

> Where can v0.6 be downloaded from?

It's not yet released.
You find testing versions here: ftp://ftp.devil-linux.org/pub/devel/testing/

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[Devil-linux-develop] Re: 0.6 and future releases

[Steve F. <sf...@tp...>]

More frequent releases would be great to keep up with new s/w versions and
security patches.

Where can v0.6 be downloaded from?

Cheers, Steve Flynn
sf...@tp...

Re: [Devil-linux-develop] 0.6 and future releases

[Friedrich L. <fl...@fl...>]

Hello Heiko and all!

Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> I was thinking about releasing 0.6 soon and change the release policy.
> 
> At the moment we collect a lot of changes and then release a new version 
> after a very long time.
> We could go ahead and release a new version i.e. every 1-3 month.
> What do you guys think about it?

I think that you are somehow in the same position as Linus Torvalds.
The kernel development is also too long because of the featurism,...

But I think good things do take a while and throwing out releases too
often makes it moving a little too fast. When you'll be releasing 0.6
a lot of people have to learn how to use the new features, which will
take it's time. And a release also will take more time from us to do
the mailinglist support.

For me it looks as if we are getting too broad as from where we started.
Devil-Linux nowadays does lot's more than just simple firewalls. I
know this is cool, but can we manage it in the future? Basically I
want to put up the question where are we heading too?

So much from my side. Now I'd like all others to choin in.

-- 
MfG / Regards
Friedrich Lobenstock
____________________________________________________________________
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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] HostAP driver works under DL

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Diego Torres wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 12:47:12PM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> 
> is there PPPoE/A support on DL?
> 

yes, rp-pppoe
http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe/

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[Devil-linux-develop] 0.6 and future releases

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Hey,

I was thinking about releasing 0.6 soon and change the release policy.

At the moment we collect a lot of changes and then release a new version 
after a very long time.
We could go ahead and release a new version i.e. every 1-3 month.
What do you guys think about it?

-- 

Regards
   Heiko

We are Penguin, resistance is futile!

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