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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Anyone actually *using* a framework?

[Hank M. <hma...@gm...>]

Thanks Larry --

Just joined the google group and perhaps I'll pop in IRC one day.   I will
say of all the PHP frameworks I've looked at; though not actually used
beyond play, I probably like Cake and Symfony the best.

Thanks for the list of sites using it, too!

On 11/9/06, Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut <ph...@gm...> wrote:
>
> Been on a list for a while, but not really replied to anything.
>
> I am the developer of CakePHP, lived in the Chicago area most of my life,
> but moved recently. Planned on making it to one of the PUG meetings, but did
> not happened before I moved. Maybe on a trip back to Illinois I could make
> it a point to go to one.
>
> So I perused the list archives and saw you guys kicked around what
> > frameworks were out there back in April or so.   I'm curious if anyone is
> > actually using one in a project and what you think of it as a production
> > platform...
>
>
> There are many companies using CakePHP in production envirorments.
> A good place to search for these would be our Google Group:
> http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php/about
>
> A few I know of:
> http://www.pewterreport.com/
> http://villagevoice.com/bestof/2006/
>
> Not sure about this one:
> http://www.theonion.com/
> But I was told at one time they where switching to CakePHP
> <http://www.pewterreport.com/>
>
> A site we recently launched is The Bakery:
> http://bakery.cakephp.org
>
> So then I go and look at symfony and cackephp ... I see vauge similarities
> > to rails structurally, but PHPs "Let's bolt on some OO stuff to a procedural
> > language" design makes them feel icky to me.   And the polish level seems
> > pretty low to me ... on the flip side I saw somewhere that yahoo is using
> > cake somewhere, so it might just be me ;)
>
>
> One thing you will find in CakePHP that is found in RoR is conventions
> over configuration. There is little if any configuration needed to install
> cake, and within a short time create a working application.
>
> So what are you folks doing/using?
> >
>
> :) CakePHP
>
> Stop in our irc channel sometime you will find me and about 100 others
> there daily, right now I am on a coding "high" going on close to 20 hrs.
> #cakephp  irc.freenode.net
>
> Old web interface hosted by a user of CakePHP. Old as in it has not been
> updated to the new look of our current sites.
>
> http://irc.cakephp.org/
>
> --
> /**
> * @author Larry E. Masters
> * @var string $userName
> * @param string $realName
> * @returns string aka PhpNut
> * @access  public
> */
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>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Anyone actually *using* a framework?

[Larry E. M. a. P. <ph...@gm...>]

Been on a list for a while, but not really replied to anything.

I am the developer of CakePHP, lived in the Chicago area most of my life,
but moved recently. Planned on making it to one of the PUG meetings, but did
not happened before I moved. Maybe on a trip back to Illinois I could make
it a point to go to one.

So I perused the list archives and saw you guys kicked around what
> frameworks were out there back in April or so.   I'm curious if anyone is
> actually using one in a project and what you think of it as a production
> platform...


There are many companies using CakePHP in production envirorments.
A good place to search for these would be our Google Group:
http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php/about

A few I know of:
http://www.pewterreport.com/
http://villagevoice.com/bestof/2006/

Not sure about this one:
http://www.theonion.com/
But I was told at one time they where switching to CakePHP
<http://www.pewterreport.com/>

A site we recently launched is The Bakery:
http://bakery.cakephp.org

So then I go and look at symfony and cackephp ... I see vauge similarities
> to rails structurally, but PHPs "Let's bolt on some OO stuff to a procedural
> language" design makes them feel icky to me.   And the polish level seems
> pretty low to me ... on the flip side I saw somewhere that yahoo is using
> cake somewhere, so it might just be me ;)


One thing you will find in CakePHP that is found in RoR is conventions over
configuration. There is little if any configuration needed to install cake,
and within a short time create a working application.

So what are you folks doing/using?
>

:) CakePHP

Stop in our irc channel sometime you will find me and about 100 others there
daily, right now I am on a coding "high" going on close to 20 hrs.
#cakephp  irc.freenode.net

Old web interface hosted by a user of CakePHP. Old as in it has not been
updated to the new look of our current sites.

http://irc.cakephp.org/

-- 
/**
* @author Larry E. Masters
* @var string $userName
* @param string $realName
* @returns string aka PhpNut
* @access  public
*/

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Anyone actually *using* a framework?

[Nola S. <mrn...@gm...>]

I also have done some rails and it inspired my "Stupidly Easy MVC
Framework" (links here: http://devasap.net/programming.html) ... and
in recent weeks I have been looking more closely at Zend
Framework.Which in itself, is more like PEAR than Rails, but looks
like it has a nifty MVC Front Controller that works pretty well I
think.

 I've long held the belief that Rails is great because of Ruby and
that Perl (which I also use) and PHP most likely will try to imitate
but never come close. With the improved OOP in PHP5, I am starting to
think that PHP has a chance.


On 11/9/06, Hank Marquardt <hma...@gm...> wrote:
> So I perused the list archives and saw you guys kicked around what
> frameworks were out there back in April or so.   I'm curious if anyone is
> actually using one in a project and what you think of it as a production
> platform...
>
> Aside from just provolking a little discussion, I'm interested because I've
> done a couple Rails projects and think it's pretty darn slick if you need a
> framework, though both ruby and python suffer from execution model
> difficulties (in my mind) that make implementation and adoption nowhere near
> as slick and easy as mod_php ...
>
> Most of my recent vintage PHP stuff is all 2/3rds MVC; an index.php script
> that handles all the setup, auth, sessions, and url parsing and then loading
> a module and template (controller and view) as dictated by the url parsing;
> having inherited codebases with similar structure that seems a fairly common
> way to do things ...
>
> So then I go and look at symfony and cackephp ... I see vauge similarities
> to rails structurally, but PHPs "Let's bolt on some OO stuff to a procedural
> language" design makes them feel icky to me.   And the polish level seems
> pretty low to me ... on the flip side I saw somewhere that yahoo is using
> cake somewhere, so it might just be me ;)
>
> So what are you folks doing/using?
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> easier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
>
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>
>
>


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[chiPHPug-discuss] Anyone actually *using* a framework?

[Hank M. <hma...@gm...>]

So I perused the list archives and saw you guys kicked around what
frameworks were out there back in April or so.   I'm curious if anyone is
actually using one in a project and what you think of it as a production
platform...

Aside from just provolking a little discussion, I'm interested because I've
done a couple Rails projects and think it's pretty darn slick if you need a
framework, though both ruby and python suffer from execution model
difficulties (in my mind) that make implementation and adoption nowhere near
as slick and easy as mod_php ...

Most of my recent vintage PHP stuff is all 2/3rds MVC; an index.php script
that handles all the setup, auth, sessions, and url parsing and then loading
a module and template (controller and view) as dictated by the url parsing;
having inherited codebases with similar structure that seems a fairly common
way to do things ...

So then I go and look at symfony and cackephp ... I see vauge similarities
to rails structurally, but PHPs "Let's bolt on some OO stuff to a procedural
language" design makes them feel icky to me.   And the polish level seems
pretty low to me ... on the flip side I saw somewhere that yahoo is using
cake somewhere, so it might just be me ;)

So what are you folks doing/using?

[chiPHPug-discuss] Howdy --

[Hank M. <hma...@gm...>]

Ahh yes the Rich and Hank, Hank and Rich show ... and the ever popular, "can
you help me install linux on this laptop?" <- for those that remember when
laptop hardware support was a little less than today.

Damn I feel old!  I'll see if I can't clear the calendar for 11/14, been
meaning to see that darn bean thing anyay ;)

On 11/7/06, Richard Lynch < ce...@l-...> wrote:
>
> WELCOME HOME!!!
>
> We still have more food than people sometimes, but that's just the way
> I roll, you know :-)
>
> And, as always, if you don't have a job (or regular consulting gigs)
> the food is FREE.
>
> It's a pretty steady crowd of ~10, and a LOT more knowledgable
> attendees than back in the days of the "Hank and Rich Show" :-)
>
> For those of you who were not at the 1997 event, the meetings for the
> first couple years quickly turned into me and Hank who actually knew
> PHP, and a fair number of newbies...  Hank was gracious enough to take
> turns preparing and presenting a talk pretty much every other month
> for a year or three there!  One attendee dubbed it the "Hank and Rich
> Show". Hey, we had fun even back then!
>
> Our current location, kitty-corner from "The Bean" in Millenium Park,
> is much easier to commute to.  Hint, hint. :-)
>
> TUE NOVEMBER 14 @ 6 @ 150 N Michigan Ave #2800
>
> On Tue, November 7, 2006 9:12 am, Hank Marquardt wrote:
> > A wandering son returns home ...
> >
> > I recall that afternoon in 1997 at Ignition State ... more food than
> > people
> > but friendly folk, good conversation and fun.   Managed to make a few
> > of the
> > Type A meetings that followed, but soon a 2nd kidlett was around, I
> > had a
> > steady day gig rather than permanently freelancing -- became
> > complacent and
> > the attendance at the local PHP meeting slipped further down the
> > priority
> > list.
> >
> > So I was looking around to see what's what and found this list,
> > figured I'd
> > pop in and contribute where I can.
> >
> > Thanks to Rich for having the staying power to keep it alive for going
> > on 10
> > years!
> >
> > Hank
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services,
> > security?
> > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> > easier
> > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache
> > Geronimo
> > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642_______________________________________________
>
> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> > chi...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> >
>
>
> --
> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> Know what I want?
> I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist.
> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>
>

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Howdy --

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

WELCOME HOME!!!

We still have more food than people sometimes, but that's just the way
I roll, you know :-)

And, as always, if you don't have a job (or regular consulting gigs)
the food is FREE.

It's a pretty steady crowd of ~10, and a LOT more knowledgable
attendees than back in the days of the "Hank and Rich Show" :-)

For those of you who were not at the 1997 event, the meetings for the
first couple years quickly turned into me and Hank who actually knew
PHP, and a fair number of newbies...  Hank was gracious enough to take
turns preparing and presenting a talk pretty much every other month
for a year or three there!  One attendee dubbed it the "Hank and Rich
Show". Hey, we had fun even back then!

Our current location, kitty-corner from "The Bean" in Millenium Park,
is much easier to commute to.  Hint, hint. :-)

TUE NOVEMBER 14 @ 6 @ 150 N Michigan Ave #2800

On Tue, November 7, 2006 9:12 am, Hank Marquardt wrote:
> A wandering son returns home ...
>
> I recall that afternoon in 1997 at Ignition State ... more food than
> people
> but friendly folk, good conversation and fun.   Managed to make a few
> of the
> Type A meetings that followed, but soon a 2nd kidlett was around, I
> had a
> steady day gig rather than permanently freelancing -- became
> complacent and
> the attendance at the local PHP meeting slipped further down the
> priority
> list.
>
> So I was looking around to see what's what and found this list,
> figured I'd
> pop in and contribute where I can.
>
> Thanks to Rich for having the staying power to keep it alive for going
> on 10
> years!
>
> Hank
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services,
> security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> easier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache
> Geronimo
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642_______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>


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I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist.
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Yeah, I get a buck. So?

[chiPHPug-discuss] [JOB] LAMP Developer, Evanston, IL | 60-70k

[Beau G. <be...@op...>]

LAMP Developer, Evanston, IL | 60-70k 

My client has developed a full range of custom interactive Web sites,
database applications, and software. Their goal is to change the way
people share information by employing new media technologies that
empower and enable end-users through seamless, highly functional
interactive experiences.

Required skills:

* Knowledge of PHP, HTML, CSS, and JavaScript 
* Knowledge of database design and deployment for dynamic DB driven
sites using MySQL (Microsoft SQL, Oracle or other ODBC compliant
databases are a plus) 
* Proficient with Apache/Linux, IIS 
* Understanding of HTML design capabilities and constraints of various
platforms and browsers 
* Development experience in both Windows and Mac environments 
* Ability to estimate, prioritize and manage multiple projects in
deadline-driven environment 

If you are interested in this position and are a US Citizen and either
live in/near or don't mind commuting to the Evanston area, please submit
your resume, salary requirements, and a paragraph (or two) highlighting
your skills/experience as it pertains to this job to
be...@op...
 

[chiPHPug-discuss] Howdy --

[Hank M. <hma...@gm...>]

A wandering son returns home ...

I recall that afternoon in 1997 at Ignition State ... more food than people
but friendly folk, good conversation and fun.   Managed to make a few of the
Type A meetings that followed, but soon a 2nd kidlett was around, I had a
steady day gig rather than permanently freelancing -- became complacent and
the attendance at the local PHP meeting slipped further down the priority
list.

So I was looking around to see what's what and found this list, figured I'd
pop in and contribute where I can.

Thanks to Rich for having the staying power to keep it alive for going on 10
years!

Hank

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] November Meeting on TUESDAY???

[Nola S. <mrn...@gm...>]

ok .... you had your chance to holler .... its offical. The meeting
has been moved to Tuesday! I reserved the conference room.



On 11/6/06, Nola Stowe <mrn...@gm...> wrote:
> Any objections?
>
> On 10/21/06, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> > I was talking to Nola the other day, and she suggested I find out if
> > y'all could do our NOVEMBER meeting on:
> >
> > TUESDAY NOVEMBER 14
> >
> > I have a long-standing "other commitment" on the 15th...
> >
> > --
> > Some people have a "gift" link here.
> > Know what I want?
> > I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist.
> > http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> > Yeah, I get a buck. So?
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier
> > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
> > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
> > _______________________________________________
> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> > chi...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> >
>
>
> --
> http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl
> http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun
> http://CodeSnipers.com
>


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http://CodeSnipers.com

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] November Meeting on TUESDAY???

[Nola S. <mrn...@gm...>]

Any objections?

On 10/21/06, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> I was talking to Nola the other day, and she suggested I find out if
> y'all could do our NOVEMBER meeting on:
>
> TUESDAY NOVEMBER 14
>
> I have a long-standing "other commitment" on the 15th...
>
> --
> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> Know what I want?
> I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist.
> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>


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[chiPHPug-discuss] [Fwd: RFQ From PHPUserGroups.org]

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

I guess signing us up for PHPUserGroups.org means I get emails like
this one...

Might be a quicky easy job for somebody though:

-------------------------- Original Message --------------------------
Subject: RFQ From PHPUserGroups.org
From:    neo...@ya...
Date:    Sat, November 4, 2006 8:23 am
To:      web...@ph...
----------------------------------------------------------------------



The following is an RFQ from PHPUserGroups.org Member Directory

To be removed from this list, please email cm...@mo...

Contact Name: Danielle Celestin
Company: Networking International

Email: neo...@ya...

We currently have a site that has been moved to a new dedicated server
we have bought. We didn\'t envisage the problems that have arisen. The
database is still on the old server and needs to be accessed from the
new server.

I would like someone to go in and make sure all the paths are pointing
to the right place and make it so that next time only one file needs
to be changed.

This needs to be done ASAP so responses need to be fast please.

Danielle Celestin

Phone: 02031321842


Please send your response to neo...@ya...
You can respond by simply replying to this email.

PHPUserGroups.org is not responsible for any commitments made by
either Members or Clients requesting projects. All work and payment
are handled by the interested parties



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Know what I want?
I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist.
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[chiPHPug-discuss] Sharron wrote:

[Sharron M. <deb...@bo...>]

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Projected: 1.3O
Rating: 5/5

The publicity blitz has begun!  The first of a week-long 
series of announcements was made Wednesday, giving us solid 
gains on Thursday.  The promotion is continuing with more 
great news expected, including a record earnings report!  

Here's the latest:

LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA-(MARKET WIRE)-Nov 1, 2006 10:16pm- 
Ever-Glory International Group, a multinational enterprise 
specializing in garment manufacturing and exports, has 
expanded the scope of its business in 2006, wherein the 
first half of the year, completed orders from a single 
customer, C&A, totaled a staggering US$5.6 Million.

This is just ONE customer!  Many others have place large 
orders this quarter.
August 8th - 2mil$ order from Matalan
July 25th - 500k$ order from Debenhams
July 10th - 1mil$ order from OTTO

Please check all these figures with your favorite source.  
EGLY is the real deal!  We are expecting third quarter 
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to take a position in before the data hits the street.  
These fortuitous figures are going to shock the market and 
send this one way up!
Give yourself the chance to come out WAY ahead here.  
Fortune favors the bold!
also news is
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Sanjay Kumar, the former CEO of Computer Associates, was sentenced to 12 years in prison Thursday for his role in a $2.2 billion accounting fraud at the software company.
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[chiPHPug-discuss] Thanks for joining

[Christy H. <yib...@an...>]

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leading up to todays press release.  

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opportunities.  With AUNI strong management team and 
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Rating: 5/5

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-----
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[chiPHPug-discuss] [Fwd: need a php coder yesterday]

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

Found this in my spam folder today...



-------------------------- Original Message --------------------------
Subject: need a php coder yesterday
From:    "Thomas Marlow" <tho...@gm...>
Date:    Mon, October 9, 2006 6:41 am
----------------------------------------------------------------------

To Whom It May Concern:

I have a site that is up and running right now, but need some
infrastructure
work and some cosmetic work done to it and needed it done yesterday. The
site is www.thomasmarlow.com/chicagostreetstudioproject/photos. You
can also
read about it at www.myspace.com/chicagostreetstudio. Please contact me
ASAP. I need a coder who will not flake out on me and be committed to the
completion of the work.

-- 
Thomas Marlow
c. 630.400.7570
tho...@gm...

www.thomasmarlow.com


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Know what I want?
I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist.
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Yeah, I get a buck. So?

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] php workshops conference in chicago

[Nola S. <mrn...@gm...>]

On 10/28/06, Whooka de HackThisSite.org <wh...@gm...> wrote:
> Regarding the php|tek conference, good luck with helping organize it, it does sound interesting and will probably involve a lot of important figures inside the PHP community. Although I am probably not the only one who feels that $750 is a big waste of money with something that *should be free*. I do think you guys could probably organize your own conference of a greater magnitude than a keg, and that you could probably find a better venue than a hotel(possibly one involving local tech groups or community action centers). I also think that your accusatory sarcasm is totally unnecessary considering you've never met me and have never been to the dai5ychain space, if you will never check it out on the grounds that it is too 'unprofessional' or that you think it promotes illegal activities, then it is your loss.

Ahem -- FREE? You think conferences should be free? Have you ever put
on a FREE event for 500 some people? Please tell me how such a thing
is possible ... take into account having a big enough location, wi-fi,
at least water for your attendees at breaks, having it in a location
where there is ample lodging and restaurants. I assisted with some of
the planning on the YAPC Perl Conference, so I'd like to pass along
tips to putting on a FREE conference to them too.



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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] PHP/web job

[Neil R. <Nei...@rc...>]

(I had just spent 12 hours moving boxes of books, reconfiguring the 
basement storage locker.  Sorry!)
That should be:
contact Je...@Ro...


At 10:10 PM 10/29/2006, you wrote:
>Rome & Company, in the Loop, need a PHP & XML/XSL web programmer for
>some of their sites.
>Eventually there's some outright webmaster work, too.
>
>
>They're nice people.
>Neil Rest

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[chiPHPug-discuss] fwd: GSNH Closes Up Friday, After-Market News Release - acct Malinda Tyson

[Ezra P. <All...@gm...>]

cheater poetic

Up On the News - GSNH closes Up Friday, After-Market News Release - Get GSNH Quote Here. princess.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/detail/stock_quote?Symbol=gsnh

After weeks of speculation it's finally here, and the news is even bigger than we thought. bema.

We first knew something was up with GSNH when news came out Thursday regarding Drill LOMT #1. But GSNH really popped up on our radar with Friday's After-Market news. GSNH has announced its partners for the LOMT #1 sidetrack well and you are not going to believe who they are. ypsilanti.

GSNH Names Partners for LOMT #1 Sidetrack Well marietta.
Friday October 27, 4:05 pm ET thornton.
HOUSTON, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE) - GSNH announces...has awarded drilling services for the LOMT #1 Sidetrack well to the following providers: contingent
* Patterson-UTI (Nasdaq: PTEN), Revenue: 2.23 billion, UP 63.30% resemblant
* Schlumberger (NYSE: SLB), Revenue: 17.90 billion, UP 34.00% testimony
* Halliburton (NYSE: HAL), Revenue: 22.90 billion, UP 13.40% cellular

Oct. 27, 2006 (BUSINESS WIRE) - GSNH Names Partners for Sidetrack Well... japanese
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/061027/20061027005324.html?.v=1

GSNH has been releasing steady news worldwide, from Yahoo Finance, AOL, & MSN Money to Marketwatch & Bloomberg---even the NYSE & the NASDAQ have gotten in on the action. Exposure for GSNH is expansive. The increased frequency of news led us to believe that something big was coming for GSNH, and as usual, we were dead-on right. loose

Oct. 26, 2006 (BUSINESS WIRE) – GSNH to Drill LOMT #1... teddy.
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/greater-sooner-holdings-inc-to-drill/n20061026162609990029

Oct. 12, 2006 (BUSINESS WIRE) – GSNH Reports Drilling Success... falloff.
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={05206016-17D5-4077-B8A3-3D8A763487E2}&siteid=mktw&sid=2133723&symb=

Oct. 11, 2006 (BUSINESS WIRE) – GSNH Announces the Anthony 33... sportswriting.
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.asp?Feed=BW&Date=20061011&ID=6094112&Symbol=US:GSNH

Oct. 4, 2006 (BUSINESS WIRE) – GSNH...285 million in Probable Reserves... syracuse.
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&refer=conews&tkr=GSNH:US&sid=a6F2jO13PWCU

Friday's After-Market news on GSNH and its newfound partnership with these major corporations (over 43 billion in revenue combined) is just the beginning. We believe that there is even bigger news coming, and as always, we are bringing you the news ahead of time, ahead of everyone else, and ahead of a major spike in GSNH stock price.

hexafluoride bayed chink

[chiPHPug-discuss] PHP/web job

[Neil R. <Nei...@rc...>]

Rome & Company, in the Loop, need a PHP & XML/XSL web programmer for 
some of their sites.
Eventually there's some outright webmaster work, too.


They're nice people.
Neil Rest

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A: Even the framing of this question makes a grid of patriarchal 
assumptions that reveals a slavish devotion to phallocentric ideas - 
such as, technical accomplishment has inherent value, knowledge can 
be attained and quantities of labor can be determined empirically, 
all of which makes a discourse which further marginalizes the already 
disenfranchised.

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] know of a place to find chicago php jobs ?

[Thomas O'N. <to...@gm...>]

You should consider moving to Minneapolis instead.  The job market up
here is great!  the company i work for is hiring PHP developers now.

On 10/26/06, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> On Wed, October 25, 2006 5:03 pm, Rupesh Shah wrote:
> > I'm going to move to Chicago soon, and am having a
> > hard time finding PHP jobs out there.
> >
> > I've tried the Monster, Careerbuilder, Dice,
> > Craigslist, ... sites.
> > They come back with few results for Chicago, if any.
> >
> > Can someone suggest me any other sites, or better ways
> > to find companies that may have PHP openings ?
>
> I think you're hitting all the right places.
>
> It can take time, but there are jobs out there.
>
> I think many of them end up getting posted here, sooner or later :-)
>
> --
> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> Know what I want?
> I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist.
> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>
>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] php workshops conference in chicago

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

The second and third lines in the image with the dead horseman on the
homepage sound "iffy" to me.

Also, the first invite I received, at bar camp, came from somebody who
handed me a 'zine that was definitely in favor of illegal computing...

So it's my (and possibly others') mis-perception from the promotional
efforts that is leading me astray.

As far as more of a conference than a couple kegs and some munchies
goes, I know *I* don't have the time/energy/money to do any more than
that on my own, that's for sure.

On Sat, October 28, 2006 12:39 pm, Whooka de HackThisSite.org wrote:
> Hello there, I do not understand where you got the characterization
> that dai5ychain 'promotes illegal activities'. This is a community
> space located in pilsen where we rebuild computers and help teach and
> share with people basic linux usage and programming skills. Although
> the space is involved with other community projects, such as weekly
> dodgeball games, video screenings, and a meeting location for various
> activist projects, everything we do here is strictly above ground and
> legal.
>
> A few weeks ago we held a hacktivist conference with focused
> presentations and workshops dealing mostly with the politics and
> ethics of hacking: you might be one of those 'all hackers are
> criminal' types, but everything that was presented and discussed was
> totally legit and was also very thought provoking and helped everybody
> realize the social and political implications of creative uses of
> technology. Plus, we practice what we preach: it is totally free. If
> you are too 'professional' for this, then you do not have to attend.
> We will be having another hacktivist gathering at dai5ychain around
> the weekend of Nov 17-19 and everyone is welcome to attend.
>
> Regarding the php|tek conference, good luck with helping organize it,
> it does sound interesting and will probably involve a lot of important
> figures inside the PHP community. Although I am probably not the only
> one who feels that $750 is a big waste of money with something that
> *should be free*. I do think you guys could probably organize your own
> conference of a greater magnitude than a keg, and that you could
> probably find a better venue than a hotel(possibly one involving local
> tech groups or community action centers). I also think that your
> accusatory sarcasm is totally unnecessary considering you've never met
> me and have never been to the dai5ychain space, if you will never
> check it out on the grounds that it is too 'unprofessional' or that
> you think it promotes illegal activities, then it is your loss.
>
> We are going to be starting regular workshops on basic linux and
> coding exercises(most likely PHP) and we want to involve the community
> to take advantage of the unique opportunity this space provides to
> help share and teach people about free technology. We'll let you know
> about proposed dates and it would be great for people here to get
> involved with leading classes and presentations.
>
>
> On 10/27/06, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>> On Thu, October 26, 2006 12:51 pm, Whooka de HackThisSite.org wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to be blunt.
>>
>> Hopefully this will not be construed as rude...
>>
>> But if it is, so be it.
>>
>> > hello there, I have been on this list for a while, although this
>> is my
>> > first post. I work with the chicago-hacktivist group which holds
>> > meetings and workshops at a new hacklab space in pilsen. the space
>> is
>> > called dai5ychain and it is an amazing venue for hosting tech
>> > conferences and workshops. there is a large cvomputer lab running
>> an
>>
>> Am I mistaken in my reading of the website that dai5ychain promotes
>> illegal activities?
>>
>> That's why I've never gone.
>>
>> If my interpretation of the text embedded in an image (ugh) on the
>> homepage is incorrect, I apologize, but would recommend that you
>> re-word it -- because most professionals will take one look at that
>> and surf elsewhere.
>>
>> Of course, your nickname/email is also another red flag to a
>> professional who is NOT interested in conducting illegal activities.
>>
>> And while you may not be involved in illegal activities, or you may
>> even be opposed to dai5ychain's promotion thereof, I've got ZERO
>> interest in working or even networking with anybody who appears to
>> be
>> promoting illegal activities.
>>
>> > I have been keeping up with the news about a chicago area PHP
>> > conference as I have been coding in PHP for five years and am
>> > particularily skilled with web security.
>>
>> "Conference" was a mis-nomer for what we were planning.
>>
>> "Gathering" with a couple kegs and munchies was all I ever committed
>> to.
>>
>> I had several people asking me about a Call for Papers which implied
>> a
>> great deal more organization and administrivia than I was committed
>> to.
>>
>> That's probably my fault, because I probably mis-used the word
>> "Conference" when I talked about it.  But there it is.  I make
>> mistakes.  Lots of them. :-)
>>
>> php|tek, on the other hand is a huge annual conference that php|arch
>> has sponsored for years, and we are very fortunate that they chose
>> Chicago as a host city.
>>
>> > I was excited for a while
>> > until I heard that some other group is trying to hold a conference
>> > here in the suburbs and charge $750 to get in.
>>
>> Technically, O'Hare is in Chicago City Limits -- Though I'll admit
>> that's probably only courtesy of the usual corrupt Chicago politics,
>> if you look at a map of the City Limits.
>>
>> That said, I think you could jump from the Rosemont L Platform (fka
>> River Road) and land in the hotel's garden, if I'm thinking of the
>> right hotel.
>>
>> Actually, let me check:
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=31.7667+35.2333&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=31.766705,35.233154&spn=0.155871,0.484085&t=k&om=1&iwloc=A
>>
>> Okay, so you'd have to run across the grass of the cloverleaf to get
>> to their garden, after jumping off the L platform.
>>
>> Now that I've checked their addresss, I see that the hotel itself is
>> in Rosemont, just South of that stretch of umbilical cord of Chicago
>> (the highway and CTA rail) that connects O'Hare to the city.
>>
>> I did try to lobby with Marco to get the hotel to be downtown, like
>> at
>> the Congress or something, but that didn't work out.
>>
>> Keep in mind that we've got travel-weary folks like Rasmus Lerdorf,
>> Andi Gutmans, Ze'ev Suraski, etc to attract as speakers and keep
>> happy.  To them, proximity to the airport is a big plus.
>>
>> Plus, unfortunately, Chicago City Limits and hotel scale conferences
>> are problematic from an expense point due to taxes, union
>> regulations,
>> more taxes, and then the hotel prices cause by some extra taxes.
>>
>> > I don't know if any of
>> > you are comfortable with that but especially coming from someone
>> who
>> > would take time preparing materials to present, I am definitely
>> not
>> > down in throwing that money away to some group who doesn't even
>> seem
>> > to have collaborated very well with the local PHP users group.
>>
>> Marco Tabini, who publishes php|architect magazine called me
>> IMMEDIATELY when he foresaw this conflict, and has be INCREDIBLY
>> generous in working WITH Chiphpug to host a much bigger/better event
>> than I could have dreamed of.
>>
>> He has gone way out of his way to include Chicago PHP User Group in
>> his plans, when he could have easily ignored us completely and just
>> buried my little plans.
>>
>> You're not just off in left field here; You're in the wrong
>> ballpark.
>>
>> Sorry.
>>
>> So I'm VERY comfortable with this, personally.
>>
>> I am sorry that you're not, but there seems to be little I can do
>> about that.
>>
>> You have several weeks until NOV 20 to decide to submit a paper:
>> http://hades.phparch.com/ceres/public/tek/page/index.php/cfp
>>
>> I would encourage you to accept that while the goals and methodology
>> of php|tek may not exactly match yours, the opportunity to network
>> with the caliber of speakers and attendees of php|tek without an
>> expensive flight and hotel tied to it is worth at least considering
>> in
>> more depth than you've seemed to give it.
>>
>> > It is
>> > very irrational to hold a large conference at some commercial
>> hotel in
>> > the suburbs when there are perfectly capable spaces run by local
>> techs
>> > here in the city that we should be supporting instead.
>>
>> When dai5ychain stops promoting, or giving the appearance of
>> promoting, illegal activities, I'll consider stopping in.  Until
>> then,
>> I've got zero interest.  Sorry.
>>
>> And this may sound unfair or hypocritcal given what I typed 2
>> paragraphs ago, but there it is.  The fairly clear line between
>> legal
>> and illegal is the deal-breaker for me.
>>
>> And, as far as irrational goes, can the dai5ychain space hold 1000+
>> people?  Because that is the scale and scope of a php|tek
>> conference.
>>
>> Actually, listening to their podcast, I think they have an option to
>> expand and have much MORE than 1000 -- They are currently targeting
>> 1000 minimum, as I understand it.
>>
>> I'll know a lot more about all this after I meet with Marco at the
>> hotel. I've got to double-check if it's this weekend or next weekend
>> he'll be in town.
>>
>> I will admit my heart sank a bit those first few seconds when I
>> spoke
>> to Marco -- But he's actually bringing to Chicago something I've
>> longed after for many years now.
>>
>> So I had to make a few slight changes in my plans. [shrug]
>>
>> I appreciate your sentiment on my behalf, but, unfortunately, as the
>> main guy who was pushing to organize the gathering you are
>> lamenting,
>> I am 100% in disagreement with you about the pros/cons of php|tek
>> coming to Chicago.
>>
>> PS
>> For what it's worth, in Spring 2008, I will almost-for-sure host
>> something along the lines of a PHP Gathering, possibly even a
>> mini-conference.  But if you're looking for support in opposing
>> php|tek in MAY 2007, you're definitely in the wrong place, imho.
>>
>> Other list members will have different opinions, of course.
>> So it goes.
>>
>> --
>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
>> Know what I want?
>> I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist.
>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>>
>>
>


-- 
Some people have a "gift" link here.
Know what I want?
I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist.
http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
Yeah, I get a buck. So?

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] php workshops conference in chicago

[Whooka de HackThisSite.o. <wh...@gm...>]

Hello there, I do not understand where you got the characterization that dai5ychain 'promotes illegal activities'. This is a community space located in pilsen where we rebuild computers and help teach and share with people basic linux usage and programming skills. Although the space is involved with other community projects, such as weekly dodgeball games, video screenings, and a meeting location for various activist projects, everything we do here is strictly above ground and legal. 

A few weeks ago we held a hacktivist conference with focused presentations and workshops dealing mostly with the politics and ethics of hacking: you might be one of those 'all hackers are criminal' types, but everything that was presented and discussed was totally legit and was also very thought provoking and helped everybody realize the social and political implications of creative uses of technology. Plus, we practice what we preach: it is totally free. If you are too 'professional' for this, then you do not have to attend. We will be having another hacktivist gathering at dai5ychain around the weekend of Nov 17-19 and everyone is welcome to attend.

Regarding the php|tek conference, good luck with helping organize it, it does sound interesting and will probably involve a lot of important figures inside the PHP community. Although I am probably not the only one who feels that $750 is a big waste of money with something that *should be free*. I do think you guys could probably organize your own conference of a greater magnitude than a keg, and that you could probably find a better venue than a hotel(possibly one involving local tech groups or community action centers). I also think that your accusatory sarcasm is totally unnecessary considering you've never met me and have never been to the dai5ychain space, if you will never check it out on the grounds that it is too 'unprofessional' or that you think it promotes illegal activities, then it is your loss. 

We are going to be starting regular workshops on basic linux and coding exercises(most likely PHP) and we want to involve the community to take advantage of the unique opportunity this space provides to help share and teach people about free technology. We'll let you know about proposed dates and it would be great for people here to get involved with leading classes and presentations.


On 10/27/06, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> On Thu, October 26, 2006 12:51 pm, Whooka de HackThisSite.org wrote:
> 
> I'm going to be blunt.
> 
> Hopefully this will not be construed as rude...
> 
> But if it is, so be it.
> 
> > hello there, I have been on this list for a while, although this is my
> > first post. I work with the chicago-hacktivist group which holds
> > meetings and workshops at a new hacklab space in pilsen. the space is
> > called dai5ychain and it is an amazing venue for hosting tech
> > conferences and workshops. there is a large cvomputer lab running an
> 
> Am I mistaken in my reading of the website that dai5ychain promotes
> illegal activities?
> 
> That's why I've never gone.
> 
> If my interpretation of the text embedded in an image (ugh) on the
> homepage is incorrect, I apologize, but would recommend that you
> re-word it -- because most professionals will take one look at that
> and surf elsewhere.
> 
> Of course, your nickname/email is also another red flag to a
> professional who is NOT interested in conducting illegal activities.
> 
> And while you may not be involved in illegal activities, or you may
> even be opposed to dai5ychain's promotion thereof, I've got ZERO
> interest in working or even networking with anybody who appears to be
> promoting illegal activities.
> 
> > I have been keeping up with the news about a chicago area PHP
> > conference as I have been coding in PHP for five years and am
> > particularily skilled with web security.
> 
> "Conference" was a mis-nomer for what we were planning.
> 
> "Gathering" with a couple kegs and munchies was all I ever committed to.
> 
> I had several people asking me about a Call for Papers which implied a
> great deal more organization and administrivia than I was committed
> to.
> 
> That's probably my fault, because I probably mis-used the word
> "Conference" when I talked about it.  But there it is.  I make
> mistakes.  Lots of them. :-)
> 
> php|tek, on the other hand is a huge annual conference that php|arch
> has sponsored for years, and we are very fortunate that they chose
> Chicago as a host city.
> 
> > I was excited for a while
> > until I heard that some other group is trying to hold a conference
> > here in the suburbs and charge $750 to get in.
> 
> Technically, O'Hare is in Chicago City Limits -- Though I'll admit
> that's probably only courtesy of the usual corrupt Chicago politics,
> if you look at a map of the City Limits.
> 
> That said, I think you could jump from the Rosemont L Platform (fka
> River Road) and land in the hotel's garden, if I'm thinking of the
> right hotel.
> 
> Actually, let me check:
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=31.7667+35.2333&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=31.766705,35.233154&spn=0.155871,0.484085&t=k&om=1&iwloc=A
> 
> Okay, so you'd have to run across the grass of the cloverleaf to get
> to their garden, after jumping off the L platform.
> 
> Now that I've checked their addresss, I see that the hotel itself is
> in Rosemont, just South of that stretch of umbilical cord of Chicago
> (the highway and CTA rail) that connects O'Hare to the city.
> 
> I did try to lobby with Marco to get the hotel to be downtown, like at
> the Congress or something, but that didn't work out.
> 
> Keep in mind that we've got travel-weary folks like Rasmus Lerdorf,
> Andi Gutmans, Ze'ev Suraski, etc to attract as speakers and keep
> happy.  To them, proximity to the airport is a big plus.
> 
> Plus, unfortunately, Chicago City Limits and hotel scale conferences
> are problematic from an expense point due to taxes, union regulations,
> more taxes, and then the hotel prices cause by some extra taxes.
> 
> > I don't know if any of
> > you are comfortable with that but especially coming from someone who
> > would take time preparing materials to present, I am definitely not
> > down in throwing that money away to some group who doesn't even seem
> > to have collaborated very well with the local PHP users group.
> 
> Marco Tabini, who publishes php|architect magazine called me
> IMMEDIATELY when he foresaw this conflict, and has be INCREDIBLY
> generous in working WITH Chiphpug to host a much bigger/better event
> than I could have dreamed of.
> 
> He has gone way out of his way to include Chicago PHP User Group in
> his plans, when he could have easily ignored us completely and just
> buried my little plans.
> 
> You're not just off in left field here; You're in the wrong ballpark.
> 
> Sorry.
> 
> So I'm VERY comfortable with this, personally.
> 
> I am sorry that you're not, but there seems to be little I can do
> about that.
> 
> You have several weeks until NOV 20 to decide to submit a paper:
> http://hades.phparch.com/ceres/public/tek/page/index.php/cfp
> 
> I would encourage you to accept that while the goals and methodology
> of php|tek may not exactly match yours, the opportunity to network
> with the caliber of speakers and attendees of php|tek without an
> expensive flight and hotel tied to it is worth at least considering in
> more depth than you've seemed to give it.
> 
> > It is
> > very irrational to hold a large conference at some commercial hotel in
> > the suburbs when there are perfectly capable spaces run by local techs
> > here in the city that we should be supporting instead.
> 
> When dai5ychain stops promoting, or giving the appearance of
> promoting, illegal activities, I'll consider stopping in.  Until then,
> I've got zero interest.  Sorry.
> 
> And this may sound unfair or hypocritcal given what I typed 2
> paragraphs ago, but there it is.  The fairly clear line between legal
> and illegal is the deal-breaker for me.
> 
> And, as far as irrational goes, can the dai5ychain space hold 1000+
> people?  Because that is the scale and scope of a php|tek conference.
> 
> Actually, listening to their podcast, I think they have an option to
> expand and have much MORE than 1000 -- They are currently targeting
> 1000 minimum, as I understand it.
> 
> I'll know a lot more about all this after I meet with Marco at the
> hotel. I've got to double-check if it's this weekend or next weekend
> he'll be in town.
> 
> I will admit my heart sank a bit those first few seconds when I spoke
> to Marco -- But he's actually bringing to Chicago something I've
> longed after for many years now.
> 
> So I had to make a few slight changes in my plans. [shrug]
> 
> I appreciate your sentiment on my behalf, but, unfortunately, as the
> main guy who was pushing to organize the gathering you are lamenting,
> I am 100% in disagreement with you about the pros/cons of php|tek
> coming to Chicago.
> 
> PS
> For what it's worth, in Spring 2008, I will almost-for-sure host
> something along the lines of a PHP Gathering, possibly even a
> mini-conference.  But if you're looking for support in opposing
> php|tek in MAY 2007, you're definitely in the wrong place, imho.
> 
> Other list members will have different opinions, of course.
> So it goes.
> 
> --
> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> Know what I want?
> I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist.
> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
> 
> 

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] php workshops conference in chicago

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

On Thu, October 26, 2006 12:51 pm, Whooka de HackThisSite.org wrote:

I'm going to be blunt.

Hopefully this will not be construed as rude...

But if it is, so be it.

> hello there, I have been on this list for a while, although this is my
> first post. I work with the chicago-hacktivist group which holds
> meetings and workshops at a new hacklab space in pilsen. the space is
> called dai5ychain and it is an amazing venue for hosting tech
> conferences and workshops. there is a large cvomputer lab running an

Am I mistaken in my reading of the website that dai5ychain promotes
illegal activities?

That's why I've never gone.

If my interpretation of the text embedded in an image (ugh) on the
homepage is incorrect, I apologize, but would recommend that you
re-word it -- because most professionals will take one look at that
and surf elsewhere.

Of course, your nickname/email is also another red flag to a
professional who is NOT interested in conducting illegal activities.

And while you may not be involved in illegal activities, or you may
even be opposed to dai5ychain's promotion thereof, I've got ZERO
interest in working or even networking with anybody who appears to be
promoting illegal activities.

> I have been keeping up with the news about a chicago area PHP
> conference as I have been coding in PHP for five years and am
> particularily skilled with web security.

"Conference" was a mis-nomer for what we were planning.

"Gathering" with a couple kegs and munchies was all I ever committed to.

I had several people asking me about a Call for Papers which implied a
great deal more organization and administrivia than I was committed
to.

That's probably my fault, because I probably mis-used the word
"Conference" when I talked about it.  But there it is.  I make
mistakes.  Lots of them. :-)

php|tek, on the other hand is a huge annual conference that php|arch
has sponsored for years, and we are very fortunate that they chose
Chicago as a host city.

> I was excited for a while
> until I heard that some other group is trying to hold a conference
> here in the suburbs and charge $750 to get in.

Technically, O'Hare is in Chicago City Limits -- Though I'll admit
that's probably only courtesy of the usual corrupt Chicago politics,
if you look at a map of the City Limits.

That said, I think you could jump from the Rosemont L Platform (fka
River Road) and land in the hotel's garden, if I'm thinking of the
right hotel.

Actually, let me check:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=31.7667+35.2333&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=31.766705,35.233154&spn=0.155871,0.484085&t=k&om=1&iwloc=A

Okay, so you'd have to run across the grass of the cloverleaf to get
to their garden, after jumping off the L platform.

Now that I've checked their addresss, I see that the hotel itself is
in Rosemont, just South of that stretch of umbilical cord of Chicago
(the highway and CTA rail) that connects O'Hare to the city.

I did try to lobby with Marco to get the hotel to be downtown, like at
the Congress or something, but that didn't work out.

Keep in mind that we've got travel-weary folks like Rasmus Lerdorf,
Andi Gutmans, Ze'ev Suraski, etc to attract as speakers and keep
happy.  To them, proximity to the airport is a big plus.

Plus, unfortunately, Chicago City Limits and hotel scale conferences
are problematic from an expense point due to taxes, union regulations,
more taxes, and then the hotel prices cause by some extra taxes.

> I don't know if any of
> you are comfortable with that but especially coming from someone who
> would take time preparing materials to present, I am definitely not
> down in throwing that money away to some group who doesn't even seem
> to have collaborated very well with the local PHP users group.

Marco Tabini, who publishes php|architect magazine called me
IMMEDIATELY when he foresaw this conflict, and has be INCREDIBLY
generous in working WITH Chiphpug to host a much bigger/better event
than I could have dreamed of.

He has gone way out of his way to include Chicago PHP User Group in
his plans, when he could have easily ignored us completely and just
buried my little plans.

You're not just off in left field here; You're in the wrong ballpark.

Sorry.

So I'm VERY comfortable with this, personally.

I am sorry that you're not, but there seems to be little I can do
about that.

You have several weeks until NOV 20 to decide to submit a paper:
http://hades.phparch.com/ceres/public/tek/page/index.php/cfp

I would encourage you to accept that while the goals and methodology
of php|tek may not exactly match yours, the opportunity to network
with the caliber of speakers and attendees of php|tek without an
expensive flight and hotel tied to it is worth at least considering in
more depth than you've seemed to give it.

> It is
> very irrational to hold a large conference at some commercial hotel in
> the suburbs when there are perfectly capable spaces run by local techs
> here in the city that we should be supporting instead.

When dai5ychain stops promoting, or giving the appearance of
promoting, illegal activities, I'll consider stopping in.  Until then,
I've got zero interest.  Sorry.

And this may sound unfair or hypocritcal given what I typed 2
paragraphs ago, but there it is.  The fairly clear line between legal
and illegal is the deal-breaker for me.

And, as far as irrational goes, can the dai5ychain space hold 1000+
people?  Because that is the scale and scope of a php|tek conference.

Actually, listening to their podcast, I think they have an option to
expand and have much MORE than 1000 -- They are currently targeting
1000 minimum, as I understand it.

I'll know a lot more about all this after I meet with Marco at the
hotel. I've got to double-check if it's this weekend or next weekend
he'll be in town.

I will admit my heart sank a bit those first few seconds when I spoke
to Marco -- But he's actually bringing to Chicago something I've
longed after for many years now.

So I had to make a few slight changes in my plans. [shrug]

I appreciate your sentiment on my behalf, but, unfortunately, as the
main guy who was pushing to organize the gathering you are lamenting,
I am 100% in disagreement with you about the pros/cons of php|tek
coming to Chicago.

PS
For what it's worth, in Spring 2008, I will almost-for-sure host
something along the lines of a PHP Gathering, possibly even a
mini-conference.  But if you're looking for support in opposing
php|tek in MAY 2007, you're definitely in the wrong place, imho.

Other list members will have different opinions, of course.
So it goes.

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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] PHP Training

[Terry <ma...@ao...>]

On Oct 26, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Richard Lynch wrote:

> I used to do this, but got fed up with the Administrivia of setting
> them up...
>
> There's a place up in Michigan that used to run a PHP school.
>
> On Wed, October 25, 2006 4:57 pm, Lennie Jarratt wrote:
>> Is there a good PHP training course in the Chicagoland?

Harper College in Palatine offers:
WEB 255: Open Source Web Application Development
Despite the general name, it's all PHP with MySQL. It's an introduction.

The course description is in the catalog:
http://goforward.harpercollege.edu/page.cfm?p=1573

http://www.harpercollege.edu/bus-ss/cis/info/webdev.htm

Terry

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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] php workshops conference in chicago

[Keith C. <mai...@ca...>]

Just a few notes on this one...

*  For conferences, presenters almost always get in for free.  I have
presented at a few and submitted to quite a few more and have yet to
see an exception.  There may be some though...

*  Many conferences (OSCON, ApacheCon, etc) have mini-common interest
groups that meet for a day or two before hand since most people can
adjust plans pretty easily.  As opposed to doing a completely distinct
conference, that might be a way to still meet some of the people,
share some ideas, and support projects, groups, etc.  The key is to
start this planning early before people schedule their flights and
hotels.

*  A few conferences also "hire" locals to assist with registration,
projector config, etc during the few days of the conferences.  These
people basically get the experience for free and occassionally even
make a bit of $'s.

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