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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

[junkmail <jun...@2z...>]

Do you perhaps have some sort of backup procedure or source control 
release process that may be playing around with the files without your 
knowledge? Do you use a code cacher/accelerator that could be going 
haywire? What sounds particularly odd is that the program works fine 
after your initial fix, and an error only happens after some time has 
passed. This makes me thing it's something external.


Trevor Oldak wrote:
> There's a differnce between a *file name *and a *class name. *
> *
> The file IS BEING INCLUDED because it is changing the error handler. The
> CLASS is not loading, though.
> *
> On 21 July 2010 12:28, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>
>   
>> Well- the error is pretty specific. Whatever that path is, it is not
>> correct.
>> Instead of a relative path try swapping in the full path and see what
>> happens.
>>
>> As for the autoload- all the class names should be the exact same as the
>> file
>> name and you can do something simple once in your config.
>>
>>    function __autoload($str_classname) {
>>        global $root;
>>        if(file_exists($root."classes/".$str_classname.".inc"))
>>        {
>>              require_once($root."classes/".$str_classname.".inc");
>>         }
>>    }
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 12:15:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
>>
>> What's further exasperating about this error... If I change something like
>> a
>> comment or some whitespace in the code, it will fix the error for about 24
>> hours, and then the error mysteriously appears again.
>>
>> On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> *What way ==> That way.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> If you're talking about this line from my above code:
>>>>
>>>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>>>> That is actually correct. Our libary has multiple folders, and we named
>>>> our classes according the the library path so that it was easy to locate
>>>>         
>> the
>>     
>>>> code for each class, and each class would have a unique name.
>>>>
>>>> What way, when we have a Formatter class for phone numbers, and a
>>>> Formatter class for email addresses, one can be Lib_Email_Formatter and
>>>>         
>> the
>>     
>>>> other can be Lib_Phone_Formatter nad we won't have conflicting Formatter
>>>> class names.
>>>>
>>>> The include path I've posted is correct.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 21 July 2010 12:01, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Hey Trevor,
>>>>>
>>>>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>>>>> Should have an underscore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also- you should look at PHP's autoload and get rid of that include
>>>>>           
>> junk.
>>     
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
>>>>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 11:47:23 AM
>>>>> Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
>>>>>
>>>>> I set up our software platform where I work to email me whenever a
>>>>> serious
>>>>> error occurs. I set up a class that handles errors:
>>>>> <?php
>>>>> class CZ_ErrorHandler{
>>>>>    public static function handleError($errno, $errstr, $errfile,
>>>>> $errline,
>>>>> $errcontext){
>>>>>         ...
>>>>>    }
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> set_error_handler(array('CZ_ErrorHandler','handleError'));
>>>>> ?>
>>>>>
>>>>> set_error_handler does allow an array as an argument to handle all
>>>>> errors.
>>>>>
>>>>> I put this at the top of each php page:
>>>>> <?php
>>>>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>>>>> ...
>>>>> ?>
>>>>> It's the first file included in each page, and it links to the code
>>>>> above.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I get this error when exporting to XLS through pear:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Fatal error*: Class 'CZ_ErrorHandler' not found in *
>>>>> /usr/share/pear/Spreadsheet/Excel/Writer/Workbook.php* on line *180
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *The ONLY place where set_error_handler is in the CZ/ErrorHandler.php
>>>>> file.
>>>>> The script wouldn't know to use my error handler unless it had first
>>>>> declared that class.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how  the heck is this error happening?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Trevor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

[Trevor O. <tr...@gm...>]

Hmmm... I'm using a static class method. php.net had this to say about using
static class methods:
There's no problem with static class functions.

The proper way to set a callback for a static class function is:

array("Classname", "functionname")

The class name is a string.  If you don't quote the string, PHP treats it as
a barestring and triggers a notice.

On 21 July 2010 13:29, David Rovani <da...@ro...> wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is going to fix your problem, but taking a quick
> look at my code that does something similar, I have the first element
> in the array parameter is a new instance of the class that wraps the
> error handler method.
>
> set_error_handler(array(new CZ_ErrorHandle(),'handleError'));
>
> I don't have a sandbox handy to test it out, though.
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
> > There's a differnce between a *file name *and a *class name. *
> > *
> > The file IS BEING INCLUDED because it is changing the error handler. The
> > CLASS is not loading, though.
> > *
> > On 21 July 2010 12:28, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
> >
> >> Well- the error is pretty specific. Whatever that path is, it is not
> >> correct.
> >> Instead of a relative path try swapping in the full path and see what
> >> happens.
> >>
> >> As for the autoload- all the class names should be the exact same as the
> >> file
> >> name and you can do something simple once in your config.
> >>
> >>    function __autoload($str_classname) {
> >>        global $root;
> >>        if(file_exists($root."classes/".$str_classname.".inc"))
> >>        {
> >>              require_once($root."classes/".$str_classname.".inc");
> >>         }
> >>    }
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
> >> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
> >> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 12:15:04 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
> >>
> >> What's further exasperating about this error... If I change something
> like
> >> a
> >> comment or some whitespace in the code, it will fix the error for about
> 24
> >> hours, and then the error mysteriously appears again.
> >>
> >> On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
> >>
> >> > *What way ==> That way.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If you're talking about this line from my above code:
> >> >>
> >> >> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
> >> >> That is actually correct. Our libary has multiple folders, and we
> named
> >> >> our classes according the the library path so that it was easy to
> locate
> >> the
> >> >> code for each class, and each class would have a unique name.
> >> >>
> >> >> What way, when we have a Formatter class for phone numbers, and a
> >> >> Formatter class for email addresses, one can be Lib_Email_Formatter
> and
> >> the
> >> >> other can be Lib_Phone_Formatter nad we won't have conflicting
> Formatter
> >> >> class names.
> >> >>
> >> >> The include path I've posted is correct.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 21 July 2010 12:01, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hey Trevor,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
> >> >>> Should have an underscore.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Also- you should look at PHP's autoload and get rid of that include
> >> junk.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Regards,
> >> >>> Matt
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ________________________________
> >> >>> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
> >> >>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
> >> >>> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 11:47:23 AM
> >> >>> Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I set up our software platform where I work to email me whenever a
> >> >>> serious
> >> >>> error occurs. I set up a class that handles errors:
> >> >>> <?php
> >> >>> class CZ_ErrorHandler{
> >> >>>    public static function handleError($errno, $errstr, $errfile,
> >> >>> $errline,
> >> >>> $errcontext){
> >> >>>         ...
> >> >>>    }
> >> >>> }
> >> >>>
> >> >>> set_error_handler(array('CZ_ErrorHandler','handleError'));
> >> >>> ?>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> set_error_handler does allow an array as an argument to handle all
> >> >>> errors.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I put this at the top of each php page:
> >> >>> <?php
> >> >>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>> ?>
> >> >>> It's the first file included in each page, and it links to the code
> >> >>> above.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> However, I get this error when exporting to XLS through pear:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> *Fatal error*: Class 'CZ_ErrorHandler' not found in *
> >> >>> /usr/share/pear/Spreadsheet/Excel/Writer/Workbook.php* on line *180
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> *The ONLY place where set_error_handler is in the
> CZ/ErrorHandler.php
> >> >>> file.
> >> >>> The script wouldn't know to use my error handler unless it had first
> >> >>> declared that class.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So how  the heck is this error happening?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Trevor
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> >>>
> >>
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> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

[David R. <da...@ro...>]

I'm not sure if this is going to fix your problem, but taking a quick
look at my code that does something similar, I have the first element
in the array parameter is a new instance of the class that wraps the
error handler method.

set_error_handler(array(new CZ_ErrorHandle(),'handleError'));

I don't have a sandbox handy to test it out, though.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
> There's a differnce between a *file name *and a *class name. *
> *
> The file IS BEING INCLUDED because it is changing the error handler. The
> CLASS is not loading, though.
> *
> On 21 July 2010 12:28, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>
>> Well- the error is pretty specific. Whatever that path is, it is not
>> correct.
>> Instead of a relative path try swapping in the full path and see what
>> happens.
>>
>> As for the autoload- all the class names should be the exact same as the
>> file
>> name and you can do something simple once in your config.
>>
>>    function __autoload($str_classname) {
>>        global $root;
>>        if(file_exists($root."classes/".$str_classname.".inc"))
>>        {
>>              require_once($root."classes/".$str_classname.".inc");
>>         }
>>    }
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 12:15:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
>>
>> What's further exasperating about this error... If I change something like
>> a
>> comment or some whitespace in the code, it will fix the error for about 24
>> hours, and then the error mysteriously appears again.
>>
>> On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>> > *What way ==> That way.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you're talking about this line from my above code:
>> >>
>> >> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>> >> That is actually correct. Our libary has multiple folders, and we named
>> >> our classes according the the library path so that it was easy to locate
>> the
>> >> code for each class, and each class would have a unique name.
>> >>
>> >> What way, when we have a Formatter class for phone numbers, and a
>> >> Formatter class for email addresses, one can be Lib_Email_Formatter and
>> the
>> >> other can be Lib_Phone_Formatter nad we won't have conflicting Formatter
>> >> class names.
>> >>
>> >> The include path I've posted is correct.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 21 July 2010 12:01, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hey Trevor,
>> >>>
>> >>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>> >>> Should have an underscore.
>> >>>
>> >>> Also- you should look at PHP's autoload and get rid of that include
>> junk.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Matt
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ________________________________
>> >>> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
>> >>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>> >>> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 11:47:23 AM
>> >>> Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
>> >>>
>> >>> I set up our software platform where I work to email me whenever a
>> >>> serious
>> >>> error occurs. I set up a class that handles errors:
>> >>> <?php
>> >>> class CZ_ErrorHandler{
>> >>>    public static function handleError($errno, $errstr, $errfile,
>> >>> $errline,
>> >>> $errcontext){
>> >>>         ...
>> >>>    }
>> >>> }
>> >>>
>> >>> set_error_handler(array('CZ_ErrorHandler','handleError'));
>> >>> ?>
>> >>>
>> >>> set_error_handler does allow an array as an argument to handle all
>> >>> errors.
>> >>>
>> >>> I put this at the top of each php page:
>> >>> <?php
>> >>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>> >>> ...
>> >>> ?>
>> >>> It's the first file included in each page, and it links to the code
>> >>> above.
>> >>>
>> >>> However, I get this error when exporting to XLS through pear:
>> >>>
>> >>> *Fatal error*: Class 'CZ_ErrorHandler' not found in *
>> >>> /usr/share/pear/Spreadsheet/Excel/Writer/Workbook.php* on line *180
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *The ONLY place where set_error_handler is in the CZ/ErrorHandler.php
>> >>> file.
>> >>> The script wouldn't know to use my error handler unless it had first
>> >>> declared that class.
>> >>>
>> >>> So how  the heck is this error happening?
>> >>>
>> >>> -Trevor
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
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>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

[Trevor O. <tr...@gm...>]

There's a differnce between a *file name *and a *class name. *
*
The file IS BEING INCLUDED because it is changing the error handler. The
CLASS is not loading, though.
*
On 21 July 2010 12:28, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:

> Well- the error is pretty specific. Whatever that path is, it is not
> correct.
> Instead of a relative path try swapping in the full path and see what
> happens.
>
> As for the autoload- all the class names should be the exact same as the
> file
> name and you can do something simple once in your config.
>
>    function __autoload($str_classname) {
>        global $root;
>        if(file_exists($root."classes/".$str_classname.".inc"))
>        {
>              require_once($root."classes/".$str_classname.".inc");
>         }
>    }
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 12:15:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
>
> What's further exasperating about this error... If I change something like
> a
> comment or some whitespace in the code, it will fix the error for about 24
> hours, and then the error mysteriously appears again.
>
> On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>
> > *What way ==> That way.
> >
> >
> > On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
> >
> >> If you're talking about this line from my above code:
> >>
> >> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
> >> That is actually correct. Our libary has multiple folders, and we named
> >> our classes according the the library path so that it was easy to locate
> the
> >> code for each class, and each class would have a unique name.
> >>
> >> What way, when we have a Formatter class for phone numbers, and a
> >> Formatter class for email addresses, one can be Lib_Email_Formatter and
> the
> >> other can be Lib_Phone_Formatter nad we won't have conflicting Formatter
> >> class names.
> >>
> >> The include path I've posted is correct.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 21 July 2010 12:01, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey Trevor,
> >>>
> >>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
> >>> Should have an underscore.
> >>>
> >>> Also- you should look at PHP's autoload and get rid of that include
> junk.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Matt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
> >>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
> >>> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 11:47:23 AM
> >>> Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
> >>>
> >>> I set up our software platform where I work to email me whenever a
> >>> serious
> >>> error occurs. I set up a class that handles errors:
> >>> <?php
> >>> class CZ_ErrorHandler{
> >>>    public static function handleError($errno, $errstr, $errfile,
> >>> $errline,
> >>> $errcontext){
> >>>         ...
> >>>    }
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>> set_error_handler(array('CZ_ErrorHandler','handleError'));
> >>> ?>
> >>>
> >>> set_error_handler does allow an array as an argument to handle all
> >>> errors.
> >>>
> >>> I put this at the top of each php page:
> >>> <?php
> >>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
> >>> ...
> >>> ?>
> >>> It's the first file included in each page, and it links to the code
> >>> above.
> >>>
> >>> However, I get this error when exporting to XLS through pear:
> >>>
> >>> *Fatal error*: Class 'CZ_ErrorHandler' not found in *
> >>> /usr/share/pear/Spreadsheet/Excel/Writer/Workbook.php* on line *180
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *The ONLY place where set_error_handler is in the CZ/ErrorHandler.php
> >>> file.
> >>> The script wouldn't know to use my error handler unless it had first
> >>> declared that class.
> >>>
> >>> So how  the heck is this error happening?
> >>>
> >>> -Trevor
> >>>
> >>>
>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint
> >>> What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone?
> >>> Visit sprint.com/first-- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

[matt d. <mm_...@ya...>]

Well- the error is pretty specific. Whatever that path is, it is not correct.
Instead of a relative path try swapping in the full path and see what happens.

As for the autoload- all the class names should be the exact same as the file 
name and you can do something simple once in your config.
 
    function __autoload($str_classname) {
        global $root;
        if(file_exists($root."classes/".$str_classname.".inc"))
        {
              require_once($root."classes/".$str_classname.".inc");
        }
    }



________________________________
From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 12:15:04 PM
Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

What's further exasperating about this error... If I change something like a
comment or some whitespace in the code, it will fix the error for about 24
hours, and then the error mysteriously appears again.

On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:

> *What way ==> That way.
>
>
> On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> If you're talking about this line from my above code:
>>
>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>> That is actually correct. Our libary has multiple folders, and we named
>> our classes according the the library path so that it was easy to locate the
>> code for each class, and each class would have a unique name.
>>
>> What way, when we have a Formatter class for phone numbers, and a
>> Formatter class for email addresses, one can be Lib_Email_Formatter and the
>> other can be Lib_Phone_Formatter nad we won't have conflicting Formatter
>> class names.
>>
>> The include path I've posted is correct.
>>
>>
>> On 21 July 2010 12:01, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Trevor,
>>>
>>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>>> Should have an underscore.
>>>
>>> Also- you should look at PHP's autoload and get rid of that include junk.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
>>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>>> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 11:47:23 AM
>>> Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
>>>
>>> I set up our software platform where I work to email me whenever a
>>> serious
>>> error occurs. I set up a class that handles errors:
>>> <?php
>>> class CZ_ErrorHandler{
>>>    public static function handleError($errno, $errstr, $errfile,
>>> $errline,
>>> $errcontext){
>>>         ...
>>>    }
>>> }
>>>
>>> set_error_handler(array('CZ_ErrorHandler','handleError'));
>>> ?>
>>>
>>> set_error_handler does allow an array as an argument to handle all
>>> errors.
>>>
>>> I put this at the top of each php page:
>>> <?php
>>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>>> ...
>>> ?>
>>> It's the first file included in each page, and it links to the code
>>> above.
>>>
>>> However, I get this error when exporting to XLS through pear:
>>>
>>> *Fatal error*: Class 'CZ_ErrorHandler' not found in *
>>> /usr/share/pear/Spreadsheet/Excel/Writer/Workbook.php* on line *180
>>>
>>>
>>> *The ONLY place where set_error_handler is in the CZ/ErrorHandler.php
>>> file.
>>> The script wouldn't know to use my error handler unless it had first
>>> declared that class.
>>>
>>> So how  the heck is this error happening?
>>>
>>> -Trevor
>>>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

[Trevor O. <tr...@gm...>]

What's further exasperating about this error... If I change something like a
comment or some whitespace in the code, it will fix the error for about 24
hours, and then the error mysteriously appears again.

On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:

> *What way ==> That way.
>
>
> On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> If you're talking about this line from my above code:
>>
>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>> That is actually correct. Our libary has multiple folders, and we named
>> our classes according the the library path so that it was easy to locate the
>> code for each class, and each class would have a unique name.
>>
>> What way, when we have a Formatter class for phone numbers, and a
>> Formatter class for email addresses, one can be Lib_Email_Formatter and the
>> other can be Lib_Phone_Formatter nad we won't have conflicting Formatter
>> class names.
>>
>> The include path I've posted is correct.
>>
>>
>> On 21 July 2010 12:01, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Trevor,
>>>
>>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>>> Should have an underscore.
>>>
>>> Also- you should look at PHP's autoload and get rid of that include junk.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
>>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>>> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 11:47:23 AM
>>> Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
>>>
>>> I set up our software platform where I work to email me whenever a
>>> serious
>>> error occurs. I set up a class that handles errors:
>>> <?php
>>> class CZ_ErrorHandler{
>>>    public static function handleError($errno, $errstr, $errfile,
>>> $errline,
>>> $errcontext){
>>>         ...
>>>    }
>>> }
>>>
>>> set_error_handler(array('CZ_ErrorHandler','handleError'));
>>> ?>
>>>
>>> set_error_handler does allow an array as an argument to handle all
>>> errors.
>>>
>>> I put this at the top of each php page:
>>> <?php
>>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>>> ...
>>> ?>
>>> It's the first file included in each page, and it links to the code
>>> above.
>>>
>>> However, I get this error when exporting to XLS through pear:
>>>
>>> *Fatal error*: Class 'CZ_ErrorHandler' not found in *
>>> /usr/share/pear/Spreadsheet/Excel/Writer/Workbook.php* on line *180
>>>
>>>
>>> *The ONLY place where set_error_handler is in the CZ/ErrorHandler.php
>>> file.
>>> The script wouldn't know to use my error handler unless it had first
>>> declared that class.
>>>
>>> So how  the heck is this error happening?
>>>
>>> -Trevor
>>>
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>>
>>
>

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

[Trevor O. <tr...@gm...>]

*What way ==> That way.

On 21 July 2010 12:10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:

> If you're talking about this line from my above code:
>
> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
> That is actually correct. Our libary has multiple folders, and we named our
> classes according the the library path so that it was easy to locate the
> code for each class, and each class would have a unique name.
>
> What way, when we have a Formatter class for phone numbers, and a Formatter
> class for email addresses, one can be Lib_Email_Formatter and the other can
> be Lib_Phone_Formatter nad we won't have conflicting Formatter class names.
>
> The include path I've posted is correct.
>
>
> On 21 July 2010 12:01, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>
>> Hey Trevor,
>>
>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>> Should have an underscore.
>>
>> Also- you should look at PHP's autoload and get rid of that include junk.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 11:47:23 AM
>> Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
>>
>> I set up our software platform where I work to email me whenever a serious
>> error occurs. I set up a class that handles errors:
>> <?php
>> class CZ_ErrorHandler{
>>    public static function handleError($errno, $errstr, $errfile, $errline,
>> $errcontext){
>>         ...
>>    }
>> }
>>
>> set_error_handler(array('CZ_ErrorHandler','handleError'));
>> ?>
>>
>> set_error_handler does allow an array as an argument to handle all errors.
>>
>> I put this at the top of each php page:
>> <?php
>> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
>> ...
>> ?>
>> It's the first file included in each page, and it links to the code above.
>>
>> However, I get this error when exporting to XLS through pear:
>>
>> *Fatal error*: Class 'CZ_ErrorHandler' not found in *
>> /usr/share/pear/Spreadsheet/Excel/Writer/Workbook.php* on line *180
>>
>>
>> *The ONLY place where set_error_handler is in the CZ/ErrorHandler.php
>> file.
>> The script wouldn't know to use my error handler unless it had first
>> declared that class.
>>
>> So how  the heck is this error happening?
>>
>> -Trevor
>>
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>

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

[Trevor O. <tr...@gm...>]

If you're talking about this line from my above code:
require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
That is actually correct. Our libary has multiple folders, and we named our
classes according the the library path so that it was easy to locate the
code for each class, and each class would have a unique name.

What way, when we have a Formatter class for phone numbers, and a Formatter
class for email addresses, one can be Lib_Email_Formatter and the other can
be Lib_Phone_Formatter nad we won't have conflicting Formatter class names.

The include path I've posted is correct.

On 21 July 2010 12:01, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:

> Hey Trevor,
>
> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
> Should have an underscore.
>
> Also- you should look at PHP's autoload and get rid of that include junk.
>
>
> Regards,
> Matt
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 11:47:23 AM
> Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error
>
> I set up our software platform where I work to email me whenever a serious
> error occurs. I set up a class that handles errors:
> <?php
> class CZ_ErrorHandler{
>    public static function handleError($errno, $errstr, $errfile, $errline,
> $errcontext){
>         ...
>    }
> }
>
> set_error_handler(array('CZ_ErrorHandler','handleError'));
> ?>
>
> set_error_handler does allow an array as an argument to handle all errors.
>
> I put this at the top of each php page:
> <?php
> require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
> ...
> ?>
> It's the first file included in each page, and it links to the code above.
>
> However, I get this error when exporting to XLS through pear:
>
> *Fatal error*: Class 'CZ_ErrorHandler' not found in *
> /usr/share/pear/Spreadsheet/Excel/Writer/Workbook.php* on line *180
>
>
> *The ONLY place where set_error_handler is in the CZ/ErrorHandler.php file.
> The script wouldn't know to use my error handler unless it had first
> declared that class.
>
> So how  the heck is this error happening?
>
> -Trevor
>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

[matt d. <mm_...@ya...>]

Hey Trevor,

require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
Should have an underscore.

Also- you should look at PHP's autoload and get rid of that include junk.


Regards,
Matt


________________________________
From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...>
To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 11:47:23 AM
Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

I set up our software platform where I work to email me whenever a serious
error occurs. I set up a class that handles errors:
<?php
class CZ_ErrorHandler{
    public static function handleError($errno, $errstr, $errfile, $errline,
$errcontext){
         ...
    }
}

set_error_handler(array('CZ_ErrorHandler','handleError'));
?>

set_error_handler does allow an array as an argument to handle all errors.

I put this at the top of each php page:
<?php
require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
...
?>
It's the first file included in each page, and it links to the code above.

However, I get this error when exporting to XLS through pear:

*Fatal error*: Class 'CZ_ErrorHandler' not found in *
/usr/share/pear/Spreadsheet/Excel/Writer/Workbook.php* on line *180


*The ONLY place where set_error_handler is in the CZ/ErrorHandler.php file.
The script wouldn't know to use my error handler unless it had first
declared that class.

So how  the heck is this error happening?

-Trevor
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[chiPHPug-discuss] Strange PEAR/include file error

[Trevor O. <tr...@gm...>]

I set up our software platform where I work to email me whenever a serious
error occurs. I set up a class that handles errors:
<?php
class CZ_ErrorHandler{
    public static function handleError($errno, $errstr, $errfile, $errline,
$errcontext){
         ...
    }
}

set_error_handler(array('CZ_ErrorHandler','handleError'));
?>

set_error_handler does allow an array as an argument to handle all errors.

I put this at the top of each php page:
<?php
require_once('CZ/ErrorHandler.php');
...
?>
It's the first file included in each page, and it links to the code above.

However, I get this error when exporting to XLS through pear:

*Fatal error*: Class 'CZ_ErrorHandler' not found in *
/usr/share/pear/Spreadsheet/Excel/Writer/Workbook.php* on line *180


*The ONLY place where set_error_handler is in the CZ/ErrorHandler.php file.
The script wouldn't know to use my error handler unless it had first
declared that class.

So how  the heck is this error happening?

-Trevor

[chiPHPug-discuss] Internship opportunities

[Esther S. <est...@gm...>]

Hi, all. I'm hoping to find an internship as a PHP developer, and I'm not
sure how to go about it. I have more than 10 years development experience
with other varied technologies, plus all the soft skills that go with it
(requirements gathering, prototyping, user training and support,
documentation, etc.) However, I only have a few months of self-taught
PHP/mySQL. I'm registered on a number of job boards, but none of them seem
to post internship opportunities.

Can anyone give me any pointers on job boards that would post internships?
Or do you know of companies that hire interns? I'm considerably older than
college-age, but am willing to work for next to nothing in order to gain
real-world experience with a technology that's pretty new to me.

Thanks!

Esther

[chiPHPug-discuss] Job Opps

[matt d. <mm_...@ya...>]

I know a Jr. Developer that is looking for work if anyone knows anything.
He has two years experience on a pretty large application.
He can build out servers also and is very good at shell scripting.

I'll forward his info if anyone is interested.

Regards,
Matt Donohue

[chiPHPug-discuss] DrupalCamp Chicago 2010 - June 26-27 - Last chance!

[Larry G. <la...@ga...>]

I hate to be a nudge, but ticket sales for DrupalCamp Chicago end *this 
Wednesday*!  (We need a final number so we know how much food to get.  Yes, 
we're feeding you, too.)

Web site:
http://www.chicagodrupalcamp.org/

Schedule:
http://www.chicagodrupalcamp.org/schedule

39 sessions from some of the leading names in the Drupal community.  Plus 
food.  Plus great networking opportunities in a quickly growing market that is 
hiring like crazy, even in this economy.  All that for just $40. You won't find 
a better deal anywhere.

Hope to see you folks there!

--Larry Garfield

[chiPHPug-discuss] [Fwd: Invitation to Agile/Scrum discussion on 6/17/10]

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

-------------------------- Original Message --------------------------
Subject: Invitation to Agile/Scrum discussion on 6/17/10
From:    "Wheeler, Benjie" <bwh...@nt...>
Date:    Wed, May 26, 2010 2:40 pm
To:      "chi...@l-..." <chi...@l-...>
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I wanted to let you know about a free Agile/Scrum seminar we are
giving downtown on June 17th.

Not sure if this would be of interest to your members or not, but
wanted to give you the info and you can decide if it's a fit or not -
thanks!


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nTier Training, LLC
866.526.3921  ext 702
760.443.6125  cell
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JAVA   AGILE  OOAD  SCRUM


I wanted to invite you to a FREE seminar on "Agile/Scrum methodology &
ROI" next month.

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will be presenting.

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Mr. Lance is one of only three people certified to lead both
Scrum.org's  Professional Scrum Developer and Professional Scrum
Master courses.

Who should attend?  CIO's, CTO's, Directors, Managers, Developers,
Analysts who are:


*         Interested in learning more about Agile - the WHAT & HOW.

*         Needing tips on implementing Agile/Scrum company wide.

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Feel free to forward this along to any friends/colleagues who might
benefit.




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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Greetings

[mehdi K <ca...@gm...>]

Hi All,

I'm new to the group too, I worked many project with Php, and I used Zend
framework, I also have one year experience with SunGard Global Trading
(server side development and maintenance C++ /Java / Shel scripting) in
Tunisia north africa.
Right now I relocate to Chicago and I'm looking for a job in the web
development field.

Looking forward to know you,
Regards,
Mehdi

2010/5/27 John Minchuk <min...@gm...>

> Hello All!
>
> I'm new to the group as well. Currently I work downtown as a developer
> for the American Hospital Association and have been in the field since
> 2002.  I'd certainly be dropping in on scheduled IRC meetings. Looking
> forward to getting to know everybody better!
>
> On May 27, 2010, at 12:54 AM, "Richard Lynch" <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>
> > I've been itching to check out curl multiple concurrent requests, but
> > have not so far...
> >
> > I don't know when I could manage to meet in person anytime soon,
> > personally...
> >
> > I'd love to get a regular reliable IRC meeting going though...
> >
> > JUNE 1st is a "First Tuesday".
> >
> > Say 10am Central?
> >
> > Freenode, #chiphpug should still be our home, since we used to use
> > that.
> >
> > I'll have to see about getting it to stay active permanently, however
> > that works... Though I know running an IRC channel is not for the
> > faint of heart...
> >
> > On Sat, May 22, 2010 8:03 pm, Jason Rexilius wrote:
> >> Welcome to the list and to Chicago!
> >>
> >> The group hasn't met in a while but its a good excuse to organize a
> >> meeting.  My advice is to read the list for meeting info _not_ the
> >> website as the website never gets updated.
> >>
> >>
> >> What does everyone think about having a meeting week after this one?
> >> Say the 31st or the 1st of June?
> >>
> >> I actually have been working on something I've been thinking about
> >> open
> >> sourcing and would love to have a discussion on ORMs and other
> >> framework
> >> components that are out there..
> >>
> >> Also anyone on the list done serious optimization of curl use in PHP
> >> (around performance)?  I'd love to hear something on curl..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> David Abdemoulaie wrote:
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I joined the list today and I would like to introduce myself. I'm a
> >>> software developer originally from Washington, D.C. living in
> >>> Chicago for two years now. I've been developing software nearly all
> >>> my life, professionally for the past 6 years. I am a regular
> >>> contributor to both the Doctrine [1] and Zend Framework [2]
> >>> projects. I work for Sentact [3], specializing in healthcare
> >>> targeted web applications. I'm often on IRC on the Freenode network
> >>> as hobodave.
> >>>
> >>> How often does this group meet? I've seen conflicting information on
> >>> the website. I'm looking forward to attending a meeting.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David Abdemoulaie
> >>> http://hobodave.com/
> >>> http://twitter.com/hobodave
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://www.doctrine-project.org
> >>> [2] http://framework.zend.com
> >>> [3] http://www.sentact.com
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> >>> ---
> >>> ---
> >>> ---
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> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Greetings

[John M. <min...@gm...>]

Hello All!

I'm new to the group as well. Currently I work downtown as a developer  
for the American Hospital Association and have been in the field since  
2002.  I'd certainly be dropping in on scheduled IRC meetings. Looking  
forward to getting to know everybody better!

On May 27, 2010, at 12:54 AM, "Richard Lynch" <ce...@l-...> wrote:

> I've been itching to check out curl multiple concurrent requests, but
> have not so far...
>
> I don't know when I could manage to meet in person anytime soon,
> personally...
>
> I'd love to get a regular reliable IRC meeting going though...
>
> JUNE 1st is a "First Tuesday".
>
> Say 10am Central?
>
> Freenode, #chiphpug should still be our home, since we used to use  
> that.
>
> I'll have to see about getting it to stay active permanently, however
> that works... Though I know running an IRC channel is not for the
> faint of heart...
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2010 8:03 pm, Jason Rexilius wrote:
>> Welcome to the list and to Chicago!
>>
>> The group hasn't met in a while but its a good excuse to organize a
>> meeting.  My advice is to read the list for meeting info _not_ the
>> website as the website never gets updated.
>>
>>
>> What does everyone think about having a meeting week after this one?
>> Say the 31st or the 1st of June?
>>
>> I actually have been working on something I've been thinking about
>> open
>> sourcing and would love to have a discussion on ORMs and other
>> framework
>> components that are out there..
>>
>> Also anyone on the list done serious optimization of curl use in PHP
>> (around performance)?  I'd love to hear something on curl..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David Abdemoulaie wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I joined the list today and I would like to introduce myself. I'm a
>>> software developer originally from Washington, D.C. living in
>>> Chicago for two years now. I've been developing software nearly all
>>> my life, professionally for the past 6 years. I am a regular
>>> contributor to both the Doctrine [1] and Zend Framework [2]
>>> projects. I work for Sentact [3], specializing in healthcare
>>> targeted web applications. I'm often on IRC on the Freenode network
>>> as hobodave.
>>>
>>> How often does this group meet? I've seen conflicting information on
>>> the website. I'm looking forward to attending a meeting.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Abdemoulaie
>>> http://hobodave.com/
>>> http://twitter.com/hobodave
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.doctrine-project.org
>>> [2] http://framework.zend.com
>>> [3] http://www.sentact.com
>>> --- 
>>> --- 
>>> --- 
>>> --- 
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>>> chi...@li...
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>
>> --- 
>> --- 
>> --- 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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>> chi...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>
>
>
> -- 
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> I just want you to buy an Indie CD for yourself:
> http://cdbaby.com/search/from/lynch
>
>
>
> --- 
> --- 
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> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Greetings

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

I've been itching to check out curl multiple concurrent requests, but
have not so far...

I don't know when I could manage to meet in person anytime soon,
personally...

I'd love to get a regular reliable IRC meeting going though...

JUNE 1st is a "First Tuesday".

Say 10am Central?

Freenode, #chiphpug should still be our home, since we used to use that.

I'll have to see about getting it to stay active permanently, however
that works... Though I know running an IRC channel is not for the
faint of heart...

On Sat, May 22, 2010 8:03 pm, Jason Rexilius wrote:
> Welcome to the list and to Chicago!
>
> The group hasn't met in a while but its a good excuse to organize a
> meeting.  My advice is to read the list for meeting info _not_ the
> website as the website never gets updated.
>
>
> What does everyone think about having a meeting week after this one?
> Say the 31st or the 1st of June?
>
> I actually have been working on something I've been thinking about
> open
> sourcing and would love to have a discussion on ORMs and other
> framework
> components that are out there..
>
> Also anyone on the list done serious optimization of curl use in PHP
> (around performance)?  I'd love to hear something on curl..
>
>
>
>
>
> David Abdemoulaie wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I joined the list today and I would like to introduce myself. I'm a
>> software developer originally from Washington, D.C. living in
>> Chicago for two years now. I've been developing software nearly all
>> my life, professionally for the past 6 years. I am a regular
>> contributor to both the Doctrine [1] and Zend Framework [2]
>> projects. I work for Sentact [3], specializing in healthcare
>> targeted web applications. I'm often on IRC on the Freenode network
>> as hobodave.
>>
>> How often does this group meet? I've seen conflicting information on
>> the website. I'm looking forward to attending a meeting.
>>
>> --
>> David Abdemoulaie
>> http://hobodave.com/
>> http://twitter.com/hobodave
>>
>> [1] http://www.doctrine-project.org
>> [2] http://framework.zend.com
>> [3] http://www.sentact.com
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>> chi...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>


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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Greetings

[junkmail <jun...@2z...>]

Count me in for the next meeting. Wherever it is. Is Brill Street still 
an option?

[chiPHPug-discuss] DrupalCamp Chicago 2010 - June 26-27

[Larry G. <la...@ga...>]

We are proud to announce DrupalCamp Chicago 2010!  

Obligatory announcement post
http://groups.drupal.org/node/70448

Obligatory link to the web site:
http://www.chicagodrupalcamp.org/

OK, enough obligatory stuff.  Why would you want to take a weekend over the 
summer for a tech conference?

Drupal (http://drupal.org/) is the premiere open source web content management 
system.  This is the open source software that runs WhiteHouse.Gov, 
NowPublic.com, most of Sony BMG's web properties, the Art Institute of 
Chicago, and the University of Chicago Law School (our hosts), among many many 
others.  This is big-time open source that can also run your small personal 
blog.

Drupal is an extremely active and supportive and welcoming community.  It's 
one of the friendliest open source communities I've ever encountered.  That's 
why I'm a part of it. :-)  It's filled with really friendly, extremely smart 
people that are awesome to work with.  

Really, how many open source projects can claim they have their own card game?  
(Yes, we do.)  It's also a darling of Google Summer of Code for a reason.

There's also a huge demand for good Drupal talent, and the pay is good, too. 
:-)  If you're looking for work in IT, Drupal is a great skill to pick up both 
for the fun of it and for the profit of it.  There just aren't enough Drupal-
skilled folks to go around so it's a sellers market.  Great for recent 
graduates to jump into if they know their stuff, or for experienced web 
developers who want to know where the market is going.

This is a 2 day 500-person conference for $40 that will include some leading 
members of the Drupal community.  I've been at similarly-sized conferences 
that started at $700 a ticket.  You won't find a better deal on an education 
anywhere.

Hope to see you folks there!

--Larry Garfield

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Greetings

[rebecca c. <reb...@gm...>]

Hey there,

I also just joined the list.  I thought since I'm moving to Chicago
from NYC June 7th I should look into this list as a way to connect
with other developers for socializing, networking and collaboration.
I'd be interested in attending meetings/events after June 10th or so.
  Is there a place I can check to find out if you've scheduled
anything?

Looking forward to meeting folks,
Rebecca

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:25 PM, David Abdemoulaie <da...@ho...> wrote:
> Thanks for the welcome Jason. Unfortunately neither of those nights work for me, I'll be returning from  vacation late on June 1.
>
> I'm interested in what you've been working on. Is it an ORM? I've used Doctrine 1 and 2 rather extensively, and Zend_Db a little here and there, so I do have some insights.
>
>
> On May 22, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Jason Rexilius wrote:
>
>> Welcome to the list and to Chicago!
>>
>> The group hasn't met in a while but its a good excuse to organize a
>> meeting.  My advice is to read the list for meeting info _not_ the
>> website as the website never gets updated.
>>
>>
>> What does everyone think about having a meeting week after this one?
>> Say the 31st or the 1st of June?
>>
>> I actually have been working on something I've been thinking about open
>> sourcing and would love to have a discussion on ORMs and other framework
>> components that are out there..
>>
>> Also anyone on the list done serious optimization of curl use in PHP
>> (around performance)?  I'd love to hear something on curl..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David Abdemoulaie wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I joined the list today and I would like to introduce myself. I'm a software developer originally from Washington, D.C. living in Chicago for two years now. I've been developing software nearly all my life, professionally for the past 6 years. I am a regular contributor to both the Doctrine [1] and Zend Framework [2] projects. I work for Sentact [3], specializing in healthcare targeted web applications. I'm often on IRC on the Freenode network as hobodave.
>>>
>>> How often does this group meet? I've seen conflicting information on the website. I'm looking forward to attending a meeting.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Abdemoulaie
>>> http://hobodave.com/
>>> http://twitter.com/hobodave
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.doctrine-project.org
>>> [2] http://framework.zend.com
>>> [3] http://www.sentact.com
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>>> chi...@li...
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>> chi...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>
> --
> David Abdemoulaie
> http://hobodave.com/
> http://twitter.com/hobodave
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Greetings

[David A. <da...@ho...>]

Thanks for the welcome Jason. Unfortunately neither of those nights work for me, I'll be returning from  vacation late on June 1.

I'm interested in what you've been working on. Is it an ORM? I've used Doctrine 1 and 2 rather extensively, and Zend_Db a little here and there, so I do have some insights.


On May 22, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Jason Rexilius wrote:

> Welcome to the list and to Chicago!
> 
> The group hasn't met in a while but its a good excuse to organize a 
> meeting.  My advice is to read the list for meeting info _not_ the 
> website as the website never gets updated.
> 
> 
> What does everyone think about having a meeting week after this one? 
> Say the 31st or the 1st of June?
> 
> I actually have been working on something I've been thinking about open 
> sourcing and would love to have a discussion on ORMs and other framework 
> components that are out there..
> 
> Also anyone on the list done serious optimization of curl use in PHP 
> (around performance)?  I'd love to hear something on curl..
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> David Abdemoulaie wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I joined the list today and I would like to introduce myself. I'm a software developer originally from Washington, D.C. living in Chicago for two years now. I've been developing software nearly all my life, professionally for the past 6 years. I am a regular contributor to both the Doctrine [1] and Zend Framework [2] projects. I work for Sentact [3], specializing in healthcare targeted web applications. I'm often on IRC on the Freenode network as hobodave.
>> 
>> How often does this group meet? I've seen conflicting information on the website. I'm looking forward to attending a meeting.
>> 
>> --
>> David Abdemoulaie
>> http://hobodave.com/
>> http://twitter.com/hobodave
>> 
>> [1] http://www.doctrine-project.org
>> [2] http://framework.zend.com
>> [3] http://www.sentact.com
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>> chi...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss

--
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http://hobodave.com/
http://twitter.com/hobodave

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Greetings

[Esther S. <est...@gm...>]

Hi - I also just joined the list a few days ago. I'm a recently-unemployed
Domino developer who is trying to make the move into a more marketable
technology. I did web development about 10 years ago, mostly ASP/SQL, so
PHP/mySQL seemed to be the place to start.

I've only just started learning, and am looking to interact with experienced
developers and get involved with some open-source work to gain experience
and build my resume. Notes/Domino has a very active developer community,
both globally and locally, and I'm hoping to find the same situation with
php. I would definitely be interested in attending meetings, although at
this point wouldn't have much to contribute.

-Esther Strom

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Greetings

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

Welcome to the list and to Chicago!

The group hasn't met in a while but its a good excuse to organize a 
meeting.  My advice is to read the list for meeting info _not_ the 
website as the website never gets updated.


What does everyone think about having a meeting week after this one? 
Say the 31st or the 1st of June?

I actually have been working on something I've been thinking about open 
sourcing and would love to have a discussion on ORMs and other framework 
components that are out there..

Also anyone on the list done serious optimization of curl use in PHP 
(around performance)?  I'd love to hear something on curl..





David Abdemoulaie wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I joined the list today and I would like to introduce myself. I'm a software developer originally from Washington, D.C. living in Chicago for two years now. I've been developing software nearly all my life, professionally for the past 6 years. I am a regular contributor to both the Doctrine [1] and Zend Framework [2] projects. I work for Sentact [3], specializing in healthcare targeted web applications. I'm often on IRC on the Freenode network as hobodave.
> 
> How often does this group meet? I've seen conflicting information on the website. I'm looking forward to attending a meeting.
> 
> --
> David Abdemoulaie
> http://hobodave.com/
> http://twitter.com/hobodave
> 
> [1] http://www.doctrine-project.org
> [2] http://framework.zend.com
> [3] http://www.sentact.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss

[chiPHPug-discuss] Greetings

[David A. <da...@ho...>]

Hello everyone,

I joined the list today and I would like to introduce myself. I'm a software developer originally from Washington, D.C. living in Chicago for two years now. I've been developing software nearly all my life, professionally for the past 6 years. I am a regular contributor to both the Doctrine [1] and Zend Framework [2] projects. I work for Sentact [3], specializing in healthcare targeted web applications. I'm often on IRC on the Freenode network as hobodave.

How often does this group meet? I've seen conflicting information on the website. I'm looking forward to attending a meeting.

--
David Abdemoulaie
http://hobodave.com/
http://twitter.com/hobodave

[1] http://www.doctrine-project.org
[2] http://framework.zend.com
[3] http://www.sentact.com

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

We abandoned Yahoo! groups a long time ago;  I'm not going back to
that again.

I do apologize for not being more active.

Real Life changes do that to you.

Do feel free to start whatever mailing list you like, and invite
anybody you want.

I'm not interested in leaving this one, personally, as I've gotten a
lot out of it.

On Thu, April 15, 2010 2:45 pm, matt donohue wrote:
> I'm sure starting a whole new group will suddenly recharge everyone's
> desire to talk about a scripting language.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Neil Young <ny...@as...>
> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
> Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 2:01:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>
> I'm not sure what you are responding to with your comment, but by
> surviving, I guess you mean lingering on?  I mean ~10 posts a month
> with
> little to no discussion about anything and mostly just the occasional
> job posting is not my idea of a raging success for a mailing list.
>
> matt donohue wrote:
>> The list has survived worse.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Steve E. <set...@at...>
>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>> Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 1:07:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>>
>> I have experience with both Google and Yahoo groups. My opinion is
>> that
>> Yahoo's "tools" are more flexible and easier for list
>> owners/managers, and,
>> for the members of the list, Yahoo! Lists are easier to join.
>> Google's
>> "group" system has always seemed sort of awkward and behind in
>> development
>> when compared to Yahoo's system.
>>
>> But moderating a group, especially a busy one, can take a lot of
>> time...
>>
>> My suggestion is to poke around the Yahoo and Google Groups areas at
>> http://groups.yahoo.com and http://groups.google.com. It wont be
>> easy to bet
>> the "feel" the services without setting up a group, but if you look
>> at
>> Google's area first, then Yahoo, you may know all you need.
>>
>> Not pushing Yahoo! here - the company has some odd policies - when
>> the
>> policies get changed, there's frequently no warning and some list
>> members
>> and moderators find this upsetting. Odd things happen. But for ease
>> of use,
>> I think that Yahoo! Is a few steps ahead.
>>
>>
>> Steve E.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Adam Larsen [mailto:apl...@gm...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:50 PM
>> To: Chicago PHP User Group
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>>
>>
>> I'd be in for such a discussion group. Google Groups would probably
>> meet
>> those needs.
>>
>> On 4/12/10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> Last week I posted about a job opening. Since then, I've been
>>> bombarded with recruiters who saw the job posting and decided to
>>> ignore my "NO RECRUITERS" note. I generally avoid posting my PHP
>>> questions to this group because the noise to signal ratio is just
>>> too
>>> high.
>>>
>>> Would people be interested in a "invite-only" developer's private
>>> group that we discuss PHP in a way that won't get us spammed, and
>>> when
>>> we do need to hire someone, we can keep this group around for the
>>> recruiters to poach off of? The new group could be 100% recruiting
>>> and
>>> job-finding free and focus on the PHP language itself and the
>>> answering of eachother's questions.
>>>
>>> If lists.sourceforge.net doesn't provide the security that I'm
>>> looking
>>> for, I know google groups does.
>>>
>>> I don't want to take control or anything like that, I've just given
>>> myself the choice of leaving this group or trying to turn it into
>>> something useful....
>>>
>>> -Trevor
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --------
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>>> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs
>>> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance.
>>> See
>>> why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta.
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>>> _______________________________________________
>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>>> chi...@li...
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs
> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance.
> See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs
> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance.
> See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev
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