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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

NO, sorry!

Please just disregard this automated email.

On Wed, November 21, 2007 8:56 am, Matthew Keelan wrote:
> Is there going to be a meeting today?
>
> On 19 Nov 2007 20:01:00 -0000,  <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>>
>> ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 11/21/2007
>>
>>
>>
>> For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
>>
>>
>>
>> Time: 6 pm
>>
>> Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800
>>
>> http://info.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Directions:
>>
>> Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North Garage. Tunnel
>> to building/sidewalk.
>> CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building. (Blue
>> Line Pedway closed for 2006)
>>      Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
>> Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines down
>> ramp. Tunnel Right to building.
>>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[Matthew K. <ke...@il...>]

Is there going to be a meeting today?

On 19 Nov 2007 20:01:00 -0000,  <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>
> ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
>
>
>
> If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 11/21/2007
>
>
>
> For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
>
>
>
> Time: 6 pm
>
> Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800
>
> http://info.com
>
>
>
> Directions:
>
> Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North Garage. Tunnel to building/sidewalk.
> CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building. (Blue Line Pedway closed for 2006)
>      Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
> Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines down ramp. Tunnel Right to building.
>
>
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[chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[<ce...@l-...>]

ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.



If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 11/21/2007



For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.



Time: 6 pm

Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800

http://info.com



Directions:

Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North Garage. Tunnel to building/sidewalk.
CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building. (Blue Line Pedway closed for 2006)
     Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines down ramp. Tunnel Right to building.

[chiPHPug-discuss] PHP MySQL Job Evanston

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

A colleague of my sister's needs a full-time PHP/MySQL developer:

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Date:    Tue, November 6, 2007 6:35 pm
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----------------------------------------------------------------------

        Thanks Mary,

 Rich, I'm basically looking for the slickest php/MySQL and server
admin. out there.... I had to let my VP go and we have loads of work
and ongoing builds.... pay is negotiable...

Thanks very much,

 Brian Whyers :: President
 Artistic Digital Services, Inc. :: we put art to work!
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member of one of these groups can provide it or at least a
contact that can. We're also looking for new members! Thanks.

 Mary A. Lynch wrote:    Rich &amp; Brian  Here are your respective
e-mail addresses so you can talk web designer needs.   Mary A. Lynch,
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[chiPHPug-discuss] Web Developer - PHP - 75k

[<Mar...@na...>]

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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] PEAR

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

On Fri, November 9, 2007 9:29 am, derby wrote:
> Does anyone have experience with PEAR?

Some.

> Why should anyone use PEAR?

Because the code is probably more robust than what you would write
yourself, for the often-used modules of PEAR.

And, if not, you can fix it and contribute back to the community
instead of being a lone wolf :-)

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[chiPHPug-discuss] Ignite Chicago - call for speakers

[Sean H. <har...@gm...>]

If you had five minutes on stage what would you say? What if you only
got 20 slides and they rotated automatically after 15 seconds?

A few members of the community have gotten together to organize an
Ignite event here in Chicago at Goose Island Wrigleyville 6pm on
Thursday 12/6/2007.  There have been several Ignite conferences
already on the East and West coasts, but if our initial speaker list
is any indication, ours in Chicago will be the best yet.

For more information check out these three sites:

RSVP / map / address :   http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/309951  (the
event is free and there are sponsored drinks)
More information about Ignite Chicago:  http://ignite-chicago.org/
More information about Ignite in general: http://ignite.oreilly.com/


Sorry for the spam, but hopefully this is relevant enough to the list
that nobody will get upset.  This really will be a fun event.

Sean

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] PEAR

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

PEAR fills a couple of roles for people.

For some people it provides access to system libraries that may not be 
compiled in on the particular shared hosting environment that they 
happen to be using.

Other people its application level libraries that they dont want to code 
themselves (I use a DNS pear module for this reason).

Others its compatibility to legacy code (BLOWFISH encryption was once 
only available via PEAR).

etc. etc. etc.

It is nothing more than a library system, kinda like CPAN for Perl 
(although obviously not as mature).

As a rule of thumb, if you dont understand something, either learn it 
well or dont use it.  There is a lot of variation in code quality, 
compatibility and support in PEAR (just like CPAN).  Wherever possible 
use the OS libraries that are compiled into PHP, and if you need 
something, get it compiled in.

Hope that helps ;-)

[chiPHPug-discuss] PEAR

[derby <der...@gm...>]

Does anyone have experience with PEAR?

Why should anyone use PEAR?

derby

[chiPHPug-discuss] BARcamp Update

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

Hi Everyone!

   So its been a while since BARcamp Chicago 2007 and wanted to update 
everyone on a bunch of stuff..

   OK, so first, Keith Schacht of ChicagoBeta/JobCoin/Facebook App fame 
had set up a free public job board for ChicagoBeta and BARcamp Chicago 
communities.  There have been a few postings there (including a few from 
my company ;-) ) and wanted to let everyone know that its free to all 
and available.  Check it out, post your jobs, etc.:

http://barcampbeta.jobcoin.com/


   Next up, we have some very cool events coming up this month.  These 
are great places to meet other start-ups, smart people and, do as I do, 
get drunk off of free booze.. ;-)

Thu Nov 8th 8:00am - Early Stage Marketplace:
http://www.chicagolandchamber.org/sub/event_calendar_detail.asp?EVE_ID=930

Thu Nov 8th 5pm - Songza Launch Party (Aza and Humanized gang presented 
at BARcamp):
http://www.songza.com/

Tue Nov 13th 6:15pm - MIT-EF Breakthrough Computer Interfaces (Aza 
again.. man he gets around ;-) ):
http://www.mitefchicago.org/dojo/18/v.jsp?p=/home

Thu Nov 15th 6:30pm - The great TECHcocktail 6! (bet you Aza will be there):
http://www.techcocktail.com/blog/


   Also, thanks to Henry Lee of Transwestern, we may have a very good 
venue for BARcamp next year.  Connect with me or the BARcamp organizer 
list at LUNI to get involved!


   Lastly, I wanted to get feedback from all of you on something a lot 
of people asked for in the past.  Should we have 2 BARcamps a year, 
spring and fall, rather than 1 in the summer?

Email me back with a vote or thoughts.  How many BARcamps per year? 1 or 2?

   Looking forward to seeing you all soon and hope this years been great 
for everyone!

-jason

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[Schobeiri, W. <ws...@de...>]

Well: I have no clue what is going on. But I did just move to Chicago  
from Texas and thought I'd register on this listserv;
I'd like to say hi to everyone. I work out in the suburbs, but  
hopefully some time in the near months I'll be able to make it to one  
of the lunches or after work seminars/things you guys do.

That being said, continue the childish bickering. It's always more  
effective than actually doing the thing you'd like to see done.</ 
sarcasm>

Cheers,
Wilfried Schobeiri

On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:58 , Richard Lynch wrote:

> Let me nip something in the bud before this gets out of hand...
>
> The hosting is paid for already, by me, and it's on the php.net
> domain, as well as the sourceforge servers, and that is not changing.
>
> I already volunteer enough thank you very much, and don't need your
> "requirement" to do so.
>
> If you don't like the jobs being posted, just hit delete.
>
> If you want better discussion, start one.
>
> Failing that, if you dislike the list that much, just leave, and start
> your own list.
> [shrug]
>
> On Thu, October 25, 2007 11:33 pm, matt donohue wrote:
>> Some thoughts-
>> Picture this press release:
>> "Chicago PHP Society builds web site for No Kill Animal Shelter".
>> Or- you can be a list that answers 3 newbie questions a year and 1
>> really bad quote request.
>> Like I said- re-invent yourselves and have a purpose or die. There is
>> no PHP pulse anyone on this list needs to be abreast of. I don't need
>> any advice or job off this list so what am I doing? No offense but,
>> the last newbie we had was and is a jag.
>>
>> As for volunteering- Yes, I'll build and host a site. Any members
>> would need to commit to a volunteer schedule for Chicago non-profits.
>> Not sure you would want me in that position as I'm extremely liberal
>> and quite dogmatic.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Anacreo <an...@gm...>
>> To: chi...@li...
>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:42:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED
>>
>>
>> Hmm I guess I'm more the care bare spirit.  While I do nod and agree
>> with
>> much of what you say Matt.  I do think slamming someone looking for
>> help as
>> a bit harsh.  For me I'm not much of a meeting type either, I'm more
>> of the
>> go it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrated by a problem.  I
>> do
>> enjoy problem solving which is why I join lists like this in the  
>> first
>> place.  If someone has a problem I enjoy the challenge of trying to
>> figure
>> it out, that's all I am looking for in this user group, so to each
>> their
>> own.  I agree about the website though as a community user group who
>> am I to
>> complain about it if I'm not going to fix it.  If you want a new site
>> /
>> majordomo try building it and propose it and see if it gets ratified.
>>
>> Alec
>>
>> On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...>
>>> To: chi...@li...
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:27:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>>   Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-)
>>>
>>>   User groups never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such
>>> thing..
>>> It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the
>>> odd
>>> thing that you find valuable.
>>>
>>>   That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger
>>> on
>>> the pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP.  That helps about as
>>> much as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it
>>> useful.
>>>
>>>   The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with
>>> energy
>>> to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time,
>>> passion and energy.  It does sound like you are volunteering ;-)
>>>
>>>   It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least
>>> one
>>> or more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as
>>> your
>>> enthusiasm dictates.
>>>
>>>   I organize a yearly tech event and try and keep in touch with the
>>> user groups and support other people doing interesting things.  Do
>>> something interesting and I'll support it.
>>>
>>>   As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels
>>> of
>>> expertise so its hard to have a standard.  I personally would like
>>> to
>>> have more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its
>>> difficult on a list.  Meetings are better places for the discussion
>>> I
>>> enjoy, usually.
>>>
>>>   Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help with some
>>> shortcomings you see.
>>>
>>> -jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> matt donohue wrote:
>>>> Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time
>>> otherwise, I
>>> would be way ahead at poker.
>>>>
>>>> In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I
>>> profer
>>> this rant,
>>>>
>>>> I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and
>>> it's
>>> lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what
>>> framework
>>> is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted
>>> professionals
>>> or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list
>>> because
>>> they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded
>>> people but,
>>> I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer
>>> to learn
>>> things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said-
>>> I'm sure I
>>> pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care.
>>> Start a new
>>> dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change
>>> and grow
>>> it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some
>>> adjunct to
>>> Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping
>>> other
>>> PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just
>>> think the
>>> list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and
>>> some
>>>> benefits for the members.
>>>>
>>>> Things that bug:
>>>> * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year
>>> or
>>> two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples
>>> skill-sets?
>>> Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there?
>>> I'm sure
>>> I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been
>>> to a
>>> meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a
>>> 'guild' as it
>>> where, we should make some member data available to the public.
>>>> * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did
>>> represent a
>>> list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for
>>> advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact
>>> that there
>>> is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these
>>> potential
>>> revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters
>>> (uhhg).
>>> The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and
>>> some
>>> minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions,
>>> they have
>>> societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who
>>> it's
>>> members are?
>>>> * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out-
>>> otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted.
>>> Does the
>>> 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not
>>> about
>>> being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing
>>> other
>>> people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists
>>> are
>>> much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive.
>>>> It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the
>>> job
>>> board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases
>>> everything
>>> you represent.
>>>> * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering
>>> everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every
>>> PHP
>>> advocating company there is. Helpful info might include:
>>>> hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion
>>> etc..
>>> I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the
>>> time
>>> that would save people.
>>>> * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge
>>> of PHP
>>> and AJAX. So, since everyone
>>>> on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP,
>>> extending
>>> the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I
>>> personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of
>>> it is
>>> practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of
>>> PHP
>>> 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve
>>> both UI and
>>> and backend development.
>>>> * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a
>>> CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets
>>> bragging
>>> rights for a year. I'll host West loop.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have
>>> more
>>> purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP.
>>> Just
>>> wish it was represented better.
>>>>
>>>> Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!
>>>>
>>>> Rant over,
>>>> Matt
>>>>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

Let me nip something in the bud before this gets out of hand...

The hosting is paid for already, by me, and it's on the php.net
domain, as well as the sourceforge servers, and that is not changing.

I already volunteer enough thank you very much, and don't need your
"requirement" to do so.

If you don't like the jobs being posted, just hit delete.

If you want better discussion, start one.

Failing that, if you dislike the list that much, just leave, and start
your own list.
[shrug]

On Thu, October 25, 2007 11:33 pm, matt donohue wrote:
> Some thoughts-
> Picture this press release:
> "Chicago PHP Society builds web site for No Kill Animal Shelter".
> Or- you can be a list that answers 3 newbie questions a year and 1
> really bad quote request.
> Like I said- re-invent yourselves and have a purpose or die. There is
> no PHP pulse anyone on this list needs to be abreast of. I don't need
> any advice or job off this list so what am I doing? No offense but,
> the last newbie we had was and is a jag.
>
> As for volunteering- Yes, I'll build and host a site. Any members
> would need to commit to a volunteer schedule for Chicago non-profits.
> Not sure you would want me in that position as I'm extremely liberal
> and quite dogmatic.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Anacreo <an...@gm...>
> To: chi...@li...
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:42:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED
>
>
> Hmm I guess I'm more the care bare spirit.  While I do nod and agree
> with
> much of what you say Matt.  I do think slamming someone looking for
> help as
> a bit harsh.  For me I'm not much of a meeting type either, I'm more
> of the
> go it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrated by a problem.  I
> do
> enjoy problem solving which is why I join lists like this in the first
> place.  If someone has a problem I enjoy the challenge of trying to
> figure
> it out, that's all I am looking for in this user group, so to each
> their
> own.  I agree about the website though as a community user group who
> am I to
> complain about it if I'm not going to fix it.  If you want a new site
> /
> majordomo try building it and propose it and see if it gets ratified.
>
> Alec
>
> On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>>
>> Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...>
>> To: chi...@li...
>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:27:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED
>>
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>>    Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-)
>>
>>    User groups never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such
>> thing..
>> It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the
>> odd
>> thing that you find valuable.
>>
>>    That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger
>> on
>> the pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP.  That helps about as
>> much as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it
>> useful.
>>
>>    The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with
>> energy
>> to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time,
>> passion and energy.  It does sound like you are volunteering ;-)
>>
>>    It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least
>> one
>> or more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as
>> your
>> enthusiasm dictates.
>>
>>    I organize a yearly tech event and try and keep in touch with the
>> user groups and support other people doing interesting things.  Do
>> something interesting and I'll support it.
>>
>>    As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels
>> of
>> expertise so its hard to have a standard.  I personally would like
>> to
>> have more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its
>> difficult on a list.  Meetings are better places for the discussion
>> I
>> enjoy, usually.
>>
>>    Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help with some
>> shortcomings you see.
>>
>> -jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> matt donohue wrote:
>> > Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time
>> otherwise, I
>> would be way ahead at poker.
>> >
>> > In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I
>> profer
>> this rant,
>> >
>> > I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and
>> it's
>> lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what
>> framework
>> is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted
>> professionals
>> or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list
>> because
>> they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded
>> people but,
>> I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer
>> to learn
>> things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said-
>> I'm sure I
>> pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care.
>> Start a new
>> dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change
>> and grow
>> it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some
>> adjunct to
>> Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping
>> other
>> PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just
>> think the
>> list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and
>> some
>> >  benefits for the members.
>> >
>> > Things that bug:
>> > * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year
>> or
>> two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples
>> skill-sets?
>> Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there?
>> I'm sure
>> I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been
>> to a
>> meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a
>> 'guild' as it
>> where, we should make some member data available to the public.
>> > * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did
>> represent a
>> list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for
>> advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact
>> that there
>> is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these
>> potential
>> revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters
>> (uhhg).
>> The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and
>> some
>> minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions,
>> they have
>> societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who
>> it's
>> members are?
>> > * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out-
>> otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted.
>> Does the
>> 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not
>> about
>> being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing
>> other
>> people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists
>> are
>> much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive.
>> > It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the
>> job
>> board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases
>> everything
>> you represent.
>> > * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering
>> everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every
>> PHP
>> advocating company there is. Helpful info might include:
>> > hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion
>> etc..
>> I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the
>> time
>> that would save people.
>> > * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge
>> of PHP
>> and AJAX. So, since everyone
>> > on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP,
>> extending
>> the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I
>> personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of
>> it is
>> practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of
>> PHP
>> 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve
>> both UI and
>> and backend development.
>> > * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a
>> CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets
>> bragging
>> rights for a year. I'll host West loop.
>> >
>> > Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have
>> more
>> purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP.
>> Just
>> wish it was represented better.
>> >
>> > Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!
>> >
>> > Rant over,
>> > Matt
>> >
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] sessions

[Kerry D. <ker...@ho...>]

Neil,
FWIW, in function sess_touch(), remove one 's' from "UPDATE sesssions"
Also, in session_set_save_handler(), you've got function sess_touch listed
twice. I'm not sure if that contributes to the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: chi...@li...
[mailto:chi...@li...] On Behalf Of
Nei...@rc...
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:30 AM
To: chi...@li...
Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] sessions

I am trying to put in a simple session tracker.  I thought I had followed
the instructions for overloading the session routines, but I'm getting
nothing . . .
Please suggest things to try, or point out what I haven't noticed!


Here's how my files now begin:
<?php
  session_start();
  include_once('exe/includes/session_auth.php');


 . . . and here's "session_auth.php":
<?php

//  require_once('../../Connections/mysqlconnect.php');
//  required in calling routines

function sess_touch($sess_path, $sess_name) {
  $GLOBAL['sessid'] = session_id();

  $now = time();
  $sqlUPDATE = "UPDATE sesssions SET touch = " . $now . " WHERE sessid = '"
 $GLOBAL['sessid'] . "'";
  $sqlINSERT = "INSERT sessions (sessid, login, touch) VALUES ('" .
$GLOBAL['sessid'] . "', " . $now . ", " . $now . ")";
  if( (!mysql_query($sqlUPDATE)) & (!mysql_query($sqlINSERT)) ) {
    //  fail
  }

  return 1;
}

function sess_close() {
  $now = time();
  mysql_query("UPDATE sessions SET logout = $now WHERE sessid = '" .
$GLOBAL['sessid'] . "'");
  return 1;
}

function sess_write($sess_id, $data) {
  $now = time();
  mysql_query("UPDATE sessions SET touch = $now WHERE sessid = '" .
$GLOBAL['sessid'] . "'");
  return 1;
}

function sess_destroy($sess_id) {
  $now = time();
  mysql_query("UPDATE sessions SET logout = $now WHERE sessid = '" .
$GLOBAL['sessid'] . "'");
  return 1;
}

function sess_gc($sess_maxlifetime) {
  $now = time();
  mysql_query("UPDATE sessions SET garbagecollection = $now WHERE touch +
$sess_maxlifetime < $now");
  return 1;
}

session_set_save_handler("sess_touch",    //  same for _open and _read
      "sess_close",
      "sess_touch",
      "sess_write",
      "sess_destroy",
      "sess_gc");
?>
				
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[chiPHPug-discuss] Fwd: CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[Hank M. <hma...@gm...>]

I hate how this thing doesn't reply to list by default ;)   And no I'm not
trying to goad Rich though that can be fun too ...

Anyway I only sent this to Matt originally.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Hank Marquardt <hma...@gm...>
Date: Oct 26, 2007 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED
To: matt donohue <mm_...@ya...>

I feel your pain, though I have a couple thoughts as well.

I was around at the beginning and then largely disappeared before rejoining
the lurker crowd a year ago or so.

I think the internet has all but killed user groups of all sorts, there
simply is better/bigger/more varied information out and available through
google usually than you'll find from a loose knit association of folks bound
by geography.

When this group started, php was in the early 3.x tree and was relatively
speaking not widely adopted or understood, but here were a few of us that
had experience with it and many more that were curious so we started meeting
mostly to help new folks and answer questions.   Today putting 'php
development' in google  or perusing a shelf at Border's will leave you with
decisions about what is good information and what is better information ...
not simply trying to find information.

So yes, we have just sort of drifted along without a lot of purpose,
traffic, etc.   At the end of the day though we still are a loose knit group
of folks bound by geography and a common interest, so with little
infrastructure to support we continue to exist, though perhaps not thrive.
It is what it is.

As to your suggestions, I certainly don't want to be a wet blanket, though
in starting a new site or purpose you're always faced with 'what can I do
different or better?' and against the traction other sites already have;
facebook, ning, twitter, myspace, second life, insert your favorite here ...
I'm not sure how to answer that question; though if you have an answer, go
for it.

The "Chicago PHP Society builds web site for No Kill Animal Shelter" is an
interesting idea ... a Chicago PHP Not for Profit Assistance Center could be
an interesting 'project' or entity of itself, though smaller freelance folks
would likely see that as competition to their market and not participate,
but still an interesting concept.

Probably not much heat or light shed above, but having been around since the
beginning I at least have perspective for what that's worth.

On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>
> Some thoughts-
> Picture this press release:
> "Chicago PHP Society builds web site for No Kill Animal Shelter".
> Or- you can be a list that answers 3 newbie questions a year and 1 really
> bad quote request.
> Like I said- re-invent yourselves and have a purpose or die. There is no
> PHP pulse anyone on this list needs to be abreast of. I don't need any
> advice or job off this list so what am I doing? No offense but, the last
> newbie we had was and is a jag.
>
> As for volunteering- Yes, I'll build and host a site. Any members would
> need to commit to a volunteer schedule for Chicago non-profits. Not sure you
> would want me in that position as I'm extremely liberal and quite dogmatic.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Anacreo <an...@gm...>
> To: chi...@li...
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:42:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED
>
>
> Hmm I guess I'm more the care bare spirit.  While I do nod and agree with
> much of what you say Matt.  I do think slamming someone looking for help
> as
> a bit harsh.  For me I'm not much of a meeting type either, I'm more of
> the
> go it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrated by a problem.  I do
> enjoy problem solving which is why I join lists like this in the first
> place.  If someone has a problem I enjoy the challenge of trying to figure
> it out, that's all I am looking for in this user group, so to each their
> own.  I agree about the website though as a community user group who am I
> to
> complain about it if I'm not going to fix it.  If you want a new site /
> majordomo try building it and propose it and see if it gets ratified.
>
> Alec
>
> On 10/25/07, matt donohue < mm_...@ya...> wrote:
> >
> > Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Jason Rexilius < ja...@ho...>
> > To: chi...@li...
> > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:27:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED
> >
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> >    Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-)
> >
> >    User groups never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such thing..
> > It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the odd
> > thing that you find valuable.
> >
> >    That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger on
> > the pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP.  That helps about as
> > much as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it
> useful.
> >
> >    The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with energy
> > to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time,
> > passion and energy.  It does sound like you are volunteering ;-)
> >
> >    It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least one
> > or more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as your
> > enthusiasm dictates.
> >
> >    I organize a yearly tech event and try and keep in touch with the
> > user groups and support other people doing interesting things.  Do
> > something interesting and I'll support it.
> >
> >    As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels of
> > expertise so its hard to have a standard.  I personally would like to
> > have more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its
> > difficult on a list.  Meetings are better places for the discussion I
> > enjoy, usually.
> >
> >    Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help with some
> > shortcomings you see.
> >
> > -jason
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > matt donohue wrote:
> > > Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time otherwise, I
> > would be way ahead at poker.
> > >
> > > In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I
> profer
> > this rant,
> > >
> > > I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and
> it's
> > lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what
> framework
> > is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted
> professionals
> > or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list
> because
> > they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded people
> but,
> > I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to
> learn
> > things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm
> sure I
> > pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care. Start a
> new
> > dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change and
> grow
> > it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to
> > Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping
> other
> > PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just think
> the
> > list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and
> > some
> > >  benefits for the members.
> > >
> > > Things that bug:
> > > * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year or
> > two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples skill-sets?
> > Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there? I'm
> sure
> > I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a
> > meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild'
> as it
> > where, we should make some member data available to the public.
> > > * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a
> > list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for
> > advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact that
> there
> > is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these
> potential
> > revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters
> (uhhg).
> > The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some
> > minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, they
> have
> > societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's
> > members are?
> > > * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out-
> > otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted. Does
> the
> > 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not
> about
> > being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing other
> > people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists are
>
> > much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive.
> > > It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the job
> > board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases
> everything
> > you represent.
> > > * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering
> > everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every PHP
> > advocating company there is. Helpful info might include:
> > > hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion
> etc..
> > I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the
> time
> > that would save people.
> > > * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge of
> PHP
> > and AJAX. So, since everyone
> > > on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, extending
> > the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I
> > personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of it is
>
> > practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of PHP
> > 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve both UI
> and
> > and backend development.
> > > * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a
> > CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets
> bragging
> > rights for a year. I'll host West loop.
> > >
> > > Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have more
> > purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just
> > wish it was represented better.
> > >
> > > Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!
> > >
> > > Rant over,
> > > Matt
> > >
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[matt d. <mm_...@ya...>]

Some thoughts-=0APicture this press release:=0A"Chicago PHP Society builds =
web site for No Kill Animal Shelter".=0AOr- you can be a list that answers =
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on this list needs to be abreast of. I don't need any advice or job off thi=
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s a jag.=0A=0AAs for volunteering- Yes, I'll build and host a site. Any mem=
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creo <an...@gm...>=0ATo: chi...@li...=0ASent: Thursd=
ay, October 25, 2007 10:42:06 PM=0ASubject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG=
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d and agree with=0Amuch of what you say Matt.  I do think slamming someone =
looking for help as=0Aa bit harsh.  For me I'm not much of a meeting type e=
ither, I'm more of the=0Ago it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrat=
ed by a problem.  I do=0Aenjoy problem solving which is why I join lists li=
ke this in the first=0Aplace.  If someone has a problem I enjoy the challen=
ge of trying to figure=0Ait out, that's all I am looking for in this user g=
roup, so to each their=0Aown.  I agree about the website though as a commun=
ity user group who am I to=0Acomplain about it if I'm not going to fix it. =
 If you want a new site /=0Amajordomo try building it and propose it and se=
e if it gets ratified.=0A=0AAlec=0A=0AOn 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_donohue=
@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A> Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list s=
ince it started.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Jaso=
n Rexilius <ja...@ho...>=0A> To: chi...@li...=0A>=
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cuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED=0A>=0A>=0A> Matt,=0A>=0A>    Forgive me, but you mu=
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[Anacreo <an...@gm...>]

Hmm I guess I'm more the care bare spirit.  While I do nod and agree with
much of what you say Matt.  I do think slamming someone looking for help as
a bit harsh.  For me I'm not much of a meeting type either, I'm more of the
go it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrated by a problem.  I do
enjoy problem solving which is why I join lists like this in the first
place.  If someone has a problem I enjoy the challenge of trying to figure
it out, that's all I am looking for in this user group, so to each their
own.  I agree about the website though as a community user group who am I to
complain about it if I'm not going to fix it.  If you want a new site /
majordomo try building it and propose it and see if it gets ratified.

Alec

On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>
> Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...>
> To: chi...@li...
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:27:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED
>
>
> Matt,
>
>    Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-)
>
>    User groups never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such thing..
> It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the odd
> thing that you find valuable.
>
>    That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger on
> the pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP.  That helps about as
> much as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it useful.
>
>    The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with energy
> to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time,
> passion and energy.  It does sound like you are volunteering ;-)
>
>    It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least one
> or more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as your
> enthusiasm dictates.
>
>    I organize a yearly tech event and try and keep in touch with the
> user groups and support other people doing interesting things.  Do
> something interesting and I'll support it.
>
>    As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels of
> expertise so its hard to have a standard.  I personally would like to
> have more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its
> difficult on a list.  Meetings are better places for the discussion I
> enjoy, usually.
>
>    Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help with some
> shortcomings you see.
>
> -jason
>
>
>
>
> matt donohue wrote:
> > Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time otherwise, I
> would be way ahead at poker.
> >
> > In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I profer
> this rant,
> >
> > I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and it's
> lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what framework
> is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted professionals
> or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list because
> they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded people but,
> I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to learn
> things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm sure I
> pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care. Start a new
> dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change and grow
> it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to
> Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other
> PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just think the
> list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and
> some
> >  benefits for the members.
> >
> > Things that bug:
> > * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year or
> two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples skill-sets?
> Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there? I'm sure
> I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a
> meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it
> where, we should make some member data available to the public.
> > * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a
> list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for
> advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact that there
> is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these potential
> revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg).
> The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some
> minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, they have
> societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's
> members are?
> > * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out-
> otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted. Does the
> 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not about
> being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing other
> people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists are
> much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive.
> > It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the job
> board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases everything
> you represent.
> > * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering
> everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every PHP
> advocating company there is. Helpful info might include:
> > hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion etc..
> I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the time
> that would save people.
> > * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge of PHP
> and AJAX. So, since everyone
> > on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, extending
> the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I
> personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of it is
> practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of PHP
> 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve both UI and
> and backend development.
> > * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a
> CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets bragging
> rights for a year. I'll host West loop.
> >
> > Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have more
> purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just
> wish it was represented better.
> >
> > Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!
> >
> > Rant over,
> > Matt
> >
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[matt d. <mm_...@ya...>]

Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started.=0A=0A=0A=
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t one =0Aor more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss a=
s your =0Aenthusiasm dictates.=0A=0A   I organize a yearly tech event and t=
ry and keep in touch with the =0Auser groups and support other people doing=
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=0A   As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels of =
=0Aexpertise so its hard to have a standard.  I personally would like to =
=0Ahave more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its =0Adif=
ficult on a list.  Meetings are better places for the discussion I =0Aenjoy=
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with some =0Ashortcomings you see.=0A=0A-jason=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Amatt donohue w=
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here is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what framework is best to use =
and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted professionals or a loose coll=
ection of hacks? I know some people are on the list because they enjoy the =
meetings and socializing with other like minded people but, I've never been=
 that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to learn things on my o=
wn (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm sure I pissed off t=
he other half of the list but, I don't really care. Start a new dialog- wha=
t is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change and grow it become=
s irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to Craigslist'=
s Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other PHP users a=
nd believe I have good track record regarding, I just think the list should=
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ist has never had a good website since maybe the first year or two when the=
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work? Outside interests? How many members are there? I'm sure I could get a=
ll that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a meeting ever in =
8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it where, we shou=
ld make some member data available to the public. =0A> * If the list was or=
ganized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a list of vetted profession=
als it would serve as a go-to resource for advertising agencies and other f=
reelance opportunities. The fact that there is no organization (and hence n=
o respect I'm guessing), has these potential revenue resources using other =
venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg). The list 'could' represent a =
job bench, if the effort was made and some minor marketing where applied. I=
 mean- look at other professions, they have societies that promote the memb=
ers. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's members are? =0A> * Jobs posted to=
 the list should meet a standard or be called out- otherwise the list becom=
es as relevant as the most base job posted. Does the 'list' work for $15 an=
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anding up for your vocation and not allowing other people to trivialize you=
r skills and what you represent. Other lists are much more mercenary. I hav=
e no idea why this one is so inclusive.=0A> It reminds me of when my colleg=
e would post $10 p/hr jobs on the job board (I paid you $20K a year and you=
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ither applied or worked at probably every PHP advocating company there is. =
Helpful info might include:=0A> hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor=
, environment, opinion etc.. I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I=
 mean, think about the time that would save people. =0A> * There isn't a PH=
P job out there that doesn't require knowledge of PHP and AJAX. So, since e=
veryone=0A> on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, ex=
tending the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I=
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ractical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of PHP 'bac=
kenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve both UI and an=
d backend development.=0A> * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence t=
o meetings but, a CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- w=
inner gets bragging rights for a year. I'll host West loop.=0A>  =0A> Hope =
this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have more purpose ca=
use I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just wish it was =
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[Kevin M. <kev...@ma...>]

What about using something like Facebook or Ning to host the user  
group site?  I think that solves a few of the things that bug you  
like member lists & profiles.  It's also nice because maintaining a  
web site always seems to become a problem for user groups.  At least  
with Facebook it's handy to have the Events functionality for  
RSVPing / posting photos / discussions etc.

Ning has some nice features like creating a private social network.   
For example, we could create something to host multiple user groups  
in Chicago and then have individual groups within that like Ruby UG,  
PHP UG, .NET UG etc. Something like: http://techandthecity.ning.com/  
(I just made that in Ning in about 5 mins)  It would be nice to have  
more of the Chicago developer UGs consolidated in one area.  I work  
mostly with .NET, but I am interested in other stuff like Django,  
PHP, Ruby and all of the separate mailing lists / lack of centralized  
event lists make it tough to keep up on stuff going on in the city.   
Ning doesn't have event functionality though which sucks.

For me, more and more of the people I interact with through work are  
using Facebook and I've found it rather useful.  It's been especially  
helpful for organizing developer events in the city and having  
technology discussions.

-kevin



On Oct 25, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Nola Stowe wrote:

> I believe there has been requests for someone to help with the website
> in the past --- and it was talked about at the meetings.
>
> Are you volunteering?
>
> On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>> Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time  
>> otherwise, I would be way ahead at poker.
>>
>> In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I  
>> profer this rant,
>>
>> I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and  
>> it's lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond  
>> what framework is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list  
>> of vetted professionals or a loose collection of hacks? I know  
>> some people are on the list because they enjoy the meetings and  
>> socializing with other like minded people but, I've never been  
>> that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to learn things  
>> on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm  
>> sure I pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really  
>> care. Start a new dialog- what is the value of the list? Because  
>> if it doesn't change and grow it becomes irrelevant, and If the  
>> list is supposed to be some adjunct to Craigslist's Computer Gigs  
>> you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other PHP users and  
>> believe I have good track record regarding, I just think the list  
>> should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and some
>>  benefits for the members.
>>
>> Things that bug:
>> * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year  
>> or two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples  
>> skill-sets? Where do they work? Outside interests? How many  
>> members are there? I'm sure I could get all that at a meeting but,  
>> like I said, I haven't been to a meeting ever in 8 plus years, and  
>> if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it where, we should make  
>> some member data available to the public.
>> * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did  
>> represent a list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to  
>> resource for advertising agencies and other freelance  
>> opportunities. The fact that there is no organization (and hence  
>> no respect I'm guessing), has these potential revenue resources  
>> using other venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg). The list  
>> 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some  
>> minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions,  
>> they have societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't  
>> even know who it's members are?
>> * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out-  
>> otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job  
>> posted. Does the 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I  
>> hope not. It's not about being elitist- It's standing up for your  
>> vocation and not allowing other people to trivialize your skills  
>> and what you represent. Other lists are much more mercenary. I  
>> have no idea why this one is so inclusive.
>> It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the  
>> job board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That  
>> debases everything you represent.
>> * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering  
>> everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably  
>> every PHP advocating company there is. Helpful info might include:
>> hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion  
>> etc.. I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think  
>> about the time that would save people.
>> * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge  
>> of PHP and AJAX. So, since everyone
>> on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP,  
>> extending the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate  
>> it. I know, I personally have way more to offer regarding JS than  
>> PHP and all of it is practical or relevant to the group. I doubt  
>> the list is composed of PHP 'backenders' and I've never had a job  
>> myself that didn't involve both UI and and backend development.
>> * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a  
>> CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner  
>> gets bragging rights for a year. I'll host West loop.
>>
>> Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have  
>> more purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack  
>> of PHP. Just wish it was represented better.
>>
>> Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!
>>
>> Rant over,
>> Matt
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

Matt,

   Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-)

   User groups never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such thing.. 
It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the odd 
thing that you find valuable.

   That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger on 
the pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP.  That helps about as 
much as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it useful.

   The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with energy 
to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time, 
passion and energy.  It does sound like you are volunteering ;-)

   It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least one 
or more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as your 
enthusiasm dictates.

   I organize a yearly tech event and try and keep in touch with the 
user groups and support other people doing interesting things.  Do 
something interesting and I'll support it.

   As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels of 
expertise so its hard to have a standard.  I personally would like to 
have more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its 
difficult on a list.  Meetings are better places for the discussion I 
enjoy, usually.

   Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help with some 
shortcomings you see.

-jason




matt donohue wrote:
> Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time otherwise, I would be way ahead at poker.
> 
> In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I profer this rant,
>  
> I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and it's lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what framework is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted professionals or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list because they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded people but, I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to learn things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm sure I pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care. Start a new dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change and grow it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just think the list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and some
>  benefits for the members.
>  
> Things that bug:
> * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year or two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples skill-sets? Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there? I'm sure I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it where, we should make some member data available to the public. 
> * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact that there is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these potential revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg). The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, they have societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's members are? 
> * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out- otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted. Does the 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not about being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing other people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists are much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive.
> It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the job board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases everything you represent.
> * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every PHP advocating company there is. Helpful info might include:
> hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion etc.. I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the time that would save people. 
> * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge of PHP and AJAX. So, since everyone
> on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, extending the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of it is practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of PHP 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve both UI and and backend development.
> * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets bragging rights for a year. I'll host West loop.
>  
> Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have more purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just wish it was represented better.
> 
> Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!
>  
> Rant over,
> Matt
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[Nola S. <mrn...@gm...>]

I believe there has been requests for someone to help with the website
in the past --- and it was talked about at the meetings.

Are you volunteering?

On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
> Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time otherwise, I would be way ahead at poker.
>
> In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I profer this rant,
>
> I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and it's lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what framework is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted professionals or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list because they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded people but, I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to learn things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm sure I pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care. Start a new dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change and grow it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just think the list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and some
>  benefits for the members.
>
> Things that bug:
> * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year or two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples skill-sets? Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there? I'm sure I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it where, we should make some member data available to the public.
> * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact that there is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these potential revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg). The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, they have societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's members are?
> * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out- otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted. Does the 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not about being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing other people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists are much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive.
> It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the job board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases everything you represent.
> * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every PHP advocating company there is. Helpful info might include:
> hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion etc.. I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the time that would save people.
> * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge of PHP and AJAX. So, since everyone
> on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, extending the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of it is practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of PHP 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve both UI and and backend development.
> * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets bragging rights for a year. I'll host West loop.
>
> Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have more purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just wish it was represented better.
>
> Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!
>
> Rant over,
> Matt
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 1st Saturday

[Harper R. <ha...@sk...>]

Hello.

I know i haven't been around in awhile. I have been busy. You know how it
is. I will return someday.

However! We (threadless/skinnycorp) are looking to hire a MYSQL/PHP
engineer. Notice that i put MYSQL first. This position would be more of a
DBA, but they would obviously have to know a lot of PHP.

We are a PHP shop who manages threadless.com and a few other fun sites. We
do communities. And we bring swag to parties.

So anyway. If anyone wants more info feel free to email me directly.

Thanks,
Harper

[chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 1st Saturday

[<ce...@l-...>]

ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) brunch social is coming up.



If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 11/03/2007



For sure, it's on the FIRST SATURDAY of each month.



Time: 1 pm

Location: Uncommon Ground

http://uncommonground.com



Directions:

Find Wrigley Field.
Drive 1.5 blocks Northwest on Clark.
Park.
There are several spots that have no meter but are perfectly legal right on the corner.

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Mid-size PHP Project - Help needed

[matt d. <mm_...@ya...>]

And get to work on an exciting Web 0.5 project!!!=0AWill it have features l=
ike glowing links, cut and paste Javascript date displays, news scolls,=0AD=
reamweaver image rollovers, Flash floating text and much much more...????=
=0A=0Ahttp://www.i-d-designs.com/=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFro=
m: ID Designs <ga...@i-...>=0ATo: chi...@li...urce=
forge.net=0ASent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:39:43 AM=0ASubject: [chiPHP=
ug-discuss] Mid-size PHP Project - Help needed=0A=0A=0AHello all,=0A=0AI ha=
ve a project that I am currently quoting and would like to find someone=0Ai=
nterested in taking on=0Athe PHP portion. It should be a fairly simple proj=
ect with basic database=0Aqueries and a login.=0A=0AIf you are interested i=
n hearing more about the project, please give me a=0Acall or email me for t=
he details.=0AIf you are interested, I will need to get a quote and timelin=
e from you.=0A=0AI can be reached at ga...@i-...=0Aor 815/ 986-=
8090.=0A=0AThank you for your time and consideration,=0A=0AGale Armour=0AID=
 Designs=0ASouth Beloit, IL=0A=0A=0A---------------------------------------=
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Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser.=0ADownl=
oad your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/=0A______________=
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nfo/chiphpug-discuss

[chiPHPug-discuss] Mid-size PHP Project - Help needed

[ID D. <ga...@i-...>]

Hello all,

I have a project that I am currently quoting and would like to find someone
interested in taking on
the PHP portion. It should be a fairly simple project with basic database
queries and a login.

If you are interested in hearing more about the project, please give me a
call or email me for the details.
If you are interested, I will need to get a quote and timeline from you.

I can be reached at ga...@i-...
or 815/ 986-8090.

Thank you for your time and consideration,

Gale Armour
ID Designs
South Beloit, IL

[chiPHPug-discuss] sessions

[<Nei...@rc...>]

I am trying to put in a simple session tracker.  I thought I had followed the instructions for overloading the session routines, but I'm getting nothing . . .
Please suggest things to try, or point out what I haven't noticed!


Here's how my files now begin:
<?php
  session_start();
  include_once('exe/includes/session_auth.php');


 . . . and here's "session_auth.php":
<?php

//  require_once('../../Connections/mysqlconnect.php');
//  required in calling routines

function sess_touch($sess_path, $sess_name) {
  $GLOBAL['sessid'] = session_id();

  $now = time();
  $sqlUPDATE = "UPDATE sesssions SET touch = " . $now . " WHERE sessid = '" . $GLOBAL['sessid'] . "'";
  $sqlINSERT = "INSERT sessions (sessid, login, touch) VALUES ('" . $GLOBAL['sessid'] . "', " . $now . ", " . $now . ")";
  if( (!mysql_query($sqlUPDATE)) & (!mysql_query($sqlINSERT)) ) {
    //  fail
  }

  return 1;
}

function sess_close() {
  $now = time();
  mysql_query("UPDATE sessions SET logout = $now WHERE sessid = '" . $GLOBAL['sessid'] . "'");
  return 1;
}

function sess_write($sess_id, $data) {
  $now = time();
  mysql_query("UPDATE sessions SET touch = $now WHERE sessid = '" . $GLOBAL['sessid'] . "'");
  return 1;
}

function sess_destroy($sess_id) {
  $now = time();
  mysql_query("UPDATE sessions SET logout = $now WHERE sessid = '" . $GLOBAL['sessid'] . "'");
  return 1;
}

function sess_gc($sess_maxlifetime) {
  $now = time();
  mysql_query("UPDATE sessions SET garbagecollection = $now WHERE touch + $sess_maxlifetime < $now");
  return 1;
}

session_set_save_handler("sess_touch",    //  same for _open and _read
      "sess_close",
      "sess_touch",
      "sess_write",
      "sess_destroy",
      "sess_gc");
?>
				
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