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From: Richard L. <ce...@l-...> - 2008-03-19 01:40:54
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Speaking of which... You still up for a presentation tomorrow?... WED MAR 19 @ 6:30 What's the topic again? On Tue, March 18, 2008 10:42 am, Luca Matteis wrote: > Hello! I wanted to recollect our ideas and maybe try and organize > meetings in a more constructive way. If you're an IRC regular join us > at > irc.freenode.net #chiphp > > Luca > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > -- Some people have a "gift" link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? |
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From: Luca M. <lma...@gm...> - 2008-03-18 15:42:39
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Hello! I wanted to recollect our ideas and maybe try and organize meetings in a more constructive way. If you're an IRC regular join us at irc.freenode.net #chiphp Luca |
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From: Richard L. <ce...@l-...> - 2008-03-17 21:32:37
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Smarty is a templating language. A disciplined programmer with PHP would not need Smarty (et al) because they'd just keep their [bleep] organized. However, large-scale projects with junior coders may find that Smarty (et al) helps enforce the separation of business logic and presentation logic. Or not, if the coders are junior enough... :-) Smarty's one uniqe (afaik) feature is that it compiles itself out into PHP code, so removes the possibly slow string substitution of other templating systems. ymmv naiaa ianal On Mon, March 17, 2008 2:53 pm, Jason Rexilius wrote: > Thanks matt.. Please schedule your email approvals with my secretary. > > Attitude aside, did you actually have anything useful to say? > > > > matt donohue wrote: >> I would make a wager the 're-factoring' the original job post >> referred to involving removing any trace of smarty. >> And the 'rants' were some humor which is apparently a foreign >> concept. >> I'll strive to be more rigid and droll with the list moving forward >> and get my thoughts pre-approved by the resident 'technical forum' >> experts (yourself and neil). >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> >> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago >> PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:44:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a >> couple PHP peeps >> >> Using web2.0 in any form other than a joke is bad. >> >> And last I checked this was a technical forum. Adding some specific >> reasons why Smarty sucks might have value. Vague rants about >> something >> just sucking with nothing to back it up doesn't add value. >> >> Having never used smarty I think it would be interesting to hear >> about >> some of its shortcomings or benefits. >> >> And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. >> >> ;-) >> >> >> >> Ryan Guthrie wrote: >>> That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some >>> time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on >>> the >>> subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you >>> have >>> any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, >>> know >>> of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like >>> to >>> hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at >>> all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different >>> things >>> to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one >>> single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using >>> Smarty. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue >>> <mm_...@ya...> wrote: >>>> Smarty is 'the cancer'. >>>> If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first >>>> place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is >>>> not! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> >>>> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the >>>> Chicago PHP User's Group. >>>> <chi...@li...> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a >>>> couple PHP peeps >>>> >>>> Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to >>>> plugin >>>> and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than >>>> just >>>> directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of >>>> time >>>> with a few different websites >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield >>>> <la...@ga...> wrote: >>>> > *ding!* Round one! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: >>>> > > Smarty sucks! >>>> > > >>>> > > Luca >>>> > > >>>> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: >>>> > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is >>>> quite useful. >>>> > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to >>>> learn. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > ~Amaroq >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: >>>> > > > Hi everyone! >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce >>>> myself. My >>>> > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. >>>> We are >>>> > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be >>>> awesomer (heh). >>>> > > > >>>> > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love >>>> namespaces (haha), >>>> > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring >>>> it to >>>> > > > awesomness. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Email me directly for more info. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Thanks, >>>> > > > Harper >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > -- >>>> > > > Harper Reed >>>> > > > ha...@sk... >>>> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >>>> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > -- >>>> > > > Harper Reed >>>> > > > ha...@sk... >>>> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >>>> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >>>> > > > >>>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>>> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>>> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>>> > > > chi...@li... >>>> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > --------------------------------- >>>> > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >>>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>>> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>>> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>>> > > > chi...@li... >>>> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>>> > > >>>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>>> > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>>> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>>> > > chi...@li... >>>> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 >>>> > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 >>>> > >>>> > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all >>>> others of >>>> > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power >>>> called an idea, >>>> > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he >>>> keeps it to >>>> > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into >>>> the possession >>>> > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of >>>> it." -- Thomas >>>> > Jefferson >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>>> > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>>> > chi...@li... >>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>>> > >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>>> chi...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>>> chi...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> chi...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > -- Some people have a "gift" link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? |
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From: Luca M. <lma...@gm...> - 2008-03-17 20:38:13
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Is this thread useful at all? My statement was rather vague, I think Smarty has a place somewhere, but I personally dislike templating in general :D And giving the fact that PHP does HTML already, It seems pretty natural to use it. Luca On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 02:53:19PM -0500, Jason Rexilius wrote: > Thanks matt.. Please schedule your email approvals with my secretary. > > Attitude aside, did you actually have anything useful to say? > > |
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From: Neil R. <Nei...@rc...> - 2008-03-17 20:13:19
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No, for "Web 2.0" to suck, it would have to be far more concrete and explicitly defined than it, in fact, is. Web 2.0 is *bogus*. At 11:44 AM 3/17/2008, Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> wrote: >And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. Neil -- Nei...@rc... The normal does not exist. The average does not exist. We know only a very large but probably finite phalanx of discrete space-time events encountered and endured. The Board of the College of Patapsychology offers one million Irish pounds to any "normalist" who can exhibit "a normal sunset, an average Beethoven sonata, an ordinary Playmate of the Month, or any thing or event in space-time that qualifies as normal, average or ordinary." -- Committee for Surrealist Investigation of Claims of the Normal |
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From: Jason R. <ja...@ho...> - 2008-03-17 19:54:00
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Thanks matt.. Please schedule your email approvals with my secretary. Attitude aside, did you actually have anything useful to say? matt donohue wrote: > I would make a wager the 're-factoring' the original job post referred to involving removing any trace of smarty. > And the 'rants' were some humor which is apparently a foreign concept. > I'll strive to be more rigid and droll with the list moving forward and get my thoughts pre-approved by the resident 'technical forum' experts (yourself and neil). > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> > To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:44:17 PM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps > > Using web2.0 in any form other than a joke is bad. > > And last I checked this was a technical forum. Adding some specific > reasons why Smarty sucks might have value. Vague rants about something > just sucking with nothing to back it up doesn't add value. > > Having never used smarty I think it would be interesting to hear about > some of its shortcomings or benefits. > > And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. > > ;-) > > > > Ryan Guthrie wrote: >> That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some >> time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the >> subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have >> any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know >> of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to >> hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at >> all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things >> to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one >> single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using >> Smarty. >> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: >>> Smarty is 'the cancer'. >>> If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> >>> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> >>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM >>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps >>> >>> Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin >>> and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just >>> directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time >>> with a few different websites >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: >>> > *ding!* Round one! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: >>> > > Smarty sucks! >>> > > >>> > > Luca >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: >>> > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. >>> > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. >>> > > > >>> > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. >>> > > > >>> > > > ~Amaroq >>> > > > >>> > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: >>> > > > Hi everyone! >>> > > > >>> > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My >>> > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are >>> > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). >>> > > > >>> > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), >>> > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to >>> > > > awesomness. >>> > > > >>> > > > Email me directly for more info. >>> > > > >>> > > > Thanks, >>> > > > Harper >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > Harper Reed >>> > > > ha...@sk... >>> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >>> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > Harper Reed >>> > > > ha...@sk... >>> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >>> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >>> > > > >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> > > > chi...@li... >>> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > --------------------------------- >>> > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> > > > chi...@li... >>> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> > > >>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> > > chi...@li... >>> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 >>> > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 >>> > >>> > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of >>> > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, >>> > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to >>> > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession >>> > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas >>> > Jefferson >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > >>> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> > chi...@li... >>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> chi...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> chi...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Peter H. <ph...@ma...> - 2008-03-17 19:35:21
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:57:59AM -0700, Jonathan Andrew Wolter wrote: > I'd also like to hear factual data about Smarty. I live in Java (and a > little python or ruby) and templating is incredibly valuable. I dislike Smarty because it's a templating language written in a templating language. Smarty has some handy functionality, but the fact that it exists bugs me. -- Peter Harkins - http://push.cx - http://NearbyGamers.com |
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From: Jonathan A. W. <jaw...@gm...> - 2008-03-17 18:58:09
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I'd also like to hear factual data about Smarty. I live in Java (and a little python or ruby) and templating is incredibly valuable. In my (crappy) php I wrote it didn't have templates but after looking at Smarty, I really think it would have benefited from Smarty. Is it a bad templating solution? Is templating in and of itself disliked? -jaw On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> wrote: > Using web2.0 in any form other than a joke is bad. > > And last I checked this was a technical forum. Adding some specific > reasons why Smarty sucks might have value. Vague rants about something > just sucking with nothing to back it up doesn't add value. > > Having never used smarty I think it would be interesting to hear about > some of its shortcomings or benefits. > > And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. > > ;-) > > > > Ryan Guthrie wrote: > > That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some > > time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the > > subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have > > any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know > > of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to > > hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at > > all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things > > to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one > > single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using > > Smarty. > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> > wrote: > >> Smarty is 'the cancer'. > >> If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place > and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> > >> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP > User's Group. <chi...@li...> > >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM > >> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a > couple PHP peeps > >> > >> Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin > >> and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just > >> directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time > >> with a few different websites > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield < > la...@ga...> wrote: > >> > *ding!* Round one! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: > >> > > Smarty sucks! > >> > > > >> > > Luca > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > >> > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is > quite useful. > >> > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > >> > > > > >> > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > >> > > > > >> > > > ~Amaroq > >> > > > > >> > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > >> > > > Hi everyone! > >> > > > > >> > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce > myself. My > >> > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We > are > >> > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer > (heh). > >> > > > > >> > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces > (haha), > >> > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > >> > > > awesomness. > >> > > > > >> > > > Email me directly for more info. > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks, > >> > > > Harper > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Harper Reed > >> > > > ha...@sk... > >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Harper Reed > >> > > > ha...@sk... > >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > >> > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > >> > > > Defy all challenges. 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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2008-03-17 18:40:55
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I would make a wager the 're-factoring' the original job post referred to involving removing any trace of smarty. And the 'rants' were some humor which is apparently a foreign concept. I'll strive to be more rigid and droll with the list moving forward and get my thoughts pre-approved by the resident 'technical forum' experts (yourself and neil). ----- Original Message ---- From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:44:17 PM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps Using web2.0 in any form other than a joke is bad. And last I checked this was a technical forum. Adding some specific reasons why Smarty sucks might have value. Vague rants about something just sucking with nothing to back it up doesn't add value. Having never used smarty I think it would be interesting to hear about some of its shortcomings or benefits. And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. ;-) Ryan Guthrie wrote: > That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some > time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the > subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have > any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know > of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to > hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at > all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things > to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one > single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using > Smarty. > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: >> Smarty is 'the cancer'. >> If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> >> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps >> >> Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin >> and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just >> directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time >> with a few different websites >> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: >> > *ding!* Round one! >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: >> > > Smarty sucks! >> > > >> > > Luca >> > > >> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: >> > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. >> > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. >> > > > >> > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. >> > > > >> > > > ~Amaroq >> > > > >> > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: >> > > > Hi everyone! >> > > > >> > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My >> > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are >> > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). >> > > > >> > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), >> > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to >> > > > awesomness. >> > > > >> > > > Email me directly for more info. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > Harper >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Harper Reed >> > > > ha...@sk... >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Harper Reed >> > > > ha...@sk... >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >> > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > > chi...@li... >> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --------------------------------- >> > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > > chi...@li... >> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > chi...@li... >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 >> > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 >> > >> > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of >> > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, >> > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to >> > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession >> > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas >> > Jefferson >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > chi...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. 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From: Jason R. <ja...@ho...> - 2008-03-17 17:45:05
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Using web2.0 in any form other than a joke is bad. And last I checked this was a technical forum. Adding some specific reasons why Smarty sucks might have value. Vague rants about something just sucking with nothing to back it up doesn't add value. Having never used smarty I think it would be interesting to hear about some of its shortcomings or benefits. And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. ;-) Ryan Guthrie wrote: > That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some > time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the > subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have > any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know > of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to > hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at > all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things > to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one > single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using > Smarty. > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: >> Smarty is 'the cancer'. >> If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> >> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps >> >> Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin >> and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just >> directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time >> with a few different websites >> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: >> > *ding!* Round one! >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: >> > > Smarty sucks! >> > > >> > > Luca >> > > >> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: >> > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. >> > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. >> > > > >> > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. >> > > > >> > > > ~Amaroq >> > > > >> > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: >> > > > Hi everyone! >> > > > >> > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My >> > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are >> > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). >> > > > >> > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), >> > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to >> > > > awesomness. >> > > > >> > > > Email me directly for more info. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > Harper >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Harper Reed >> > > > ha...@sk... >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Harper Reed >> > > > ha...@sk... >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >> > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > > chi...@li... >> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --------------------------------- >> > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > > chi...@li... >> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > chi...@li... >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 >> > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 >> > >> > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of >> > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, >> > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to >> > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession >> > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas >> > Jefferson >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > chi...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2008-03-17 16:32:25
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Yeah- you build the template system in Javascript. I won't detail why thats more intelligent since you don't claim to care. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:54:28 AM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using Smarty. On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: > Smarty is 'the cancer'. > If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> > To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps > > Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin > and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just > directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time > with a few different websites > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: > > *ding!* Round one! > > > > > > > > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: > > > Smarty sucks! > > > > > > Luca > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. > > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > > > > > > > > ~Amaroq > > > > > > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > > > > > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > > > > awesomness. > > > > > > > > Email me directly for more info. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Harper > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Harper Reed > > > > ha...@sk... > > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Harper Reed > > > > ha...@sk... > > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > > chi...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > > Defy all challenges. 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From: Ryan G. <sok...@gm...> - 2008-03-17 15:54:35
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That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using Smarty. On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: > Smarty is 'the cancer'. > If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> > To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps > > Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin > and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just > directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time > with a few different websites > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: > > *ding!* Round one! > > > > > > > > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: > > > Smarty sucks! > > > > > > Luca > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. > > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > > > > > > > > ~Amaroq > > > > > > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > > > > > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > > > > awesomness. > > > > > > > > Email me directly for more info. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Harper > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Harper Reed > > > > ha...@sk... > > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Harper Reed > > > > ha...@sk... > > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > > Defy all challenges. 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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2008-03-17 14:59:14
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Smarty is 'the cancer'. If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! ----- Original Message ---- From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time with a few different websites On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: > *ding!* Round one! > > > > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: > > Smarty sucks! > > > > Luca > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > > > > > > ~Amaroq > > > > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > > > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > > > awesomness. > > > > > > Email me directly for more info. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Harper > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Harper Reed > > > ha...@sk... > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Harper Reed > > > ha...@sk... > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > chi...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > chi...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > chi...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > -- > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 > > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas > Jefferson > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Ryan G. <sok...@gm...> - 2008-03-17 08:39:18
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Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time with a few different websites On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: > *ding!* Round one! > > > > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: > > Smarty sucks! > > > > Luca > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > > > > > > ~Amaroq > > > > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > > > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > > > awesomness. > > > > > > Email me directly for more info. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Harper > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Harper Reed > > > ha...@sk... > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Harper Reed > > > ha...@sk... > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > chi...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > chi...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > chi...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > -- > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 > > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas > Jefferson > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > |
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From: Larry G. <la...@ga...> - 2008-03-17 07:07:11
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*ding!* Round one! On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: > Smarty sucks! > > Luca > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > > > > ~Amaroq > > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > > awesomness. > > > > Email me directly for more info. > > > > Thanks, > > Harper > > > > > > -- > > Harper Reed > > ha...@sk... > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > -- > > Harper Reed > > ha...@sk... > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > chi...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > chi...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson |
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From: Steven <coo...@ya...> - 2008-03-17 06:34:25
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Hmm. I don't know anything about it so I can't really agree or disagree with that. From the example I saw of the template thing it can do, it looks kinda neat. Though now that I think of it, something like templates would be easy to do via includes and strategically placed blocks of PHP code. ~Amaroq Luca Matteis <lma...@gm...> wrote: Smarty sucks! Luca On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > > ~Amaroq > > Harper Reed wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > awesomness. > > Email me directly for more info. > > Thanks, > Harper > > > -- > Harper Reed > ha...@sk... > skinnyCorp, LLC > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > -- > Harper Reed > ha...@sk... > skinnyCorp, LLC > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. |
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From: Luca M. <lma...@gm...> - 2008-03-16 22:20:31
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Smarty sucks! Luca On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > > ~Amaroq > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > awesomness. > > Email me directly for more info. > > Thanks, > Harper > > > -- > Harper Reed > ha...@sk... > skinnyCorp, LLC > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > -- > Harper Reed > ha...@sk... > skinnyCorp, LLC > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Larry G. <la...@ga...> - 2008-03-16 21:55:51
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Namespaces were added to PHP 5.3, which has yet to be released. :-) On Sunday 16 March 2008, Steven wrote: > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > > ~Amaroq > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > awesomness. > > Email me directly for more info. > > Thanks, > Harper > > > -- > Harper Reed > ha...@sk... > skinnyCorp, LLC > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson |
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From: Steven <coo...@ya...> - 2008-03-16 20:36:47
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PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. ~Amaroq Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: Hi everyone! I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to awesomness. Email me directly for more info. Thanks, Harper -- Harper Reed ha...@sk... skinnyCorp, LLC 773.878.3557 ext. 187 -- Harper Reed ha...@sk... skinnyCorp, LLC 773.878.3557 ext. 187 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. |
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From: Richard L. <ce...@l-...> - 2008-03-16 19:47:08
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Hey Harper; It's Rich, the organizer of the Chicago PHP User Group. I'm interested and would like more info. I definitely like the awesome code part! On Wed, March 12, 2008 3:06 pm, Harper Reed wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > awesomness. > > Email me directly for more info. > > Thanks, > Harper > > > -- > Harper Reed > ha...@sk... > skinnyCorp, LLC > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > -- > Harper Reed > ha...@sk... > skinnyCorp, LLC > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > -- Some people have a "gift" link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? |
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From: Z. W. <zw...@gu...> - 2008-03-15 04:08:36
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Agreed. Just not next week - I'm out of town!!! -Zach __________________ Gulo Solutions http://blog.gulosolutions.com o 773.276.8066 c 917.605.5665 -----Original Message----- From: matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:00:36 To:"Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group." <chi...@li...> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] hi, PHP gurus in Chicago land Has all the elements of a meeting topic I might actually attend. ----- Original Message ---- From: Luca Matteis <lma...@gm...> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 7:42:28 PM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] hi, PHP gurus in Chicago land Well yeah, if you're trying to keep the connection with server alive (through Javascript timers, Ajax and such) I would also recommend JSON. Since when you recieve the data from the server all you have on the client is JavaScript its natural to use Javascript Objects (JSON) to pass data around. For general purpose data loading though its probably best to just render HTML on the server and send it as it is, PHP is pretty good at this. Luca On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 04:16:21PM -0700, matt donohue wrote: > Yeah- I would use AJAX to talk/poll server and JSON as a fast transport of state objects > and either sessions or a db to store the state on the server. Sessions have an expiration > you'll need to account for but otherwise you'll need some authentication for a db state. > Using JSON to store all the state/object data between server and client would keep it pretty simple without a lot of translation. I usually code all my client UI's to just handle JSON, which keeps your code very clean. Translating a JSON object array to a sortable table for example is very fast and efficient and can be used over and over. > > Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2008-03-15 01:00:49
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Has all the elements of a meeting topic I might actually attend. ----- Original Message ---- From: Luca Matteis <lma...@gm...> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 7:42:28 PM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] hi, PHP gurus in Chicago land Well yeah, if you're trying to keep the connection with server alive (through Javascript timers, Ajax and such) I would also recommend JSON. Since when you recieve the data from the server all you have on the client is JavaScript its natural to use Javascript Objects (JSON) to pass data around. For general purpose data loading though its probably best to just render HTML on the server and send it as it is, PHP is pretty good at this. Luca On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 04:16:21PM -0700, matt donohue wrote: > Yeah- I would use AJAX to talk/poll server and JSON as a fast transport of state objects > and either sessions or a db to store the state on the server. Sessions have an expiration > you'll need to account for but otherwise you'll need some authentication for a db state. > Using JSON to store all the state/object data between server and client would keep it pretty simple without a lot of translation. I usually code all my client UI's to just handle JSON, which keeps your code very clean. Translating a JSON object array to a sortable table for example is very fast and efficient and can be used over and over. > > Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Luca M. <lma...@gm...> - 2008-03-15 00:42:39
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Well yeah, if you're trying to keep the connection with server alive (through Javascript timers, Ajax and such) I would also recommend JSON. Since when you recieve the data from the server all you have on the client is JavaScript its natural to use Javascript Objects (JSON) to pass data around. For general purpose data loading though its probably best to just render HTML on the server and send it as it is, PHP is pretty good at this. Luca On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 04:16:21PM -0700, matt donohue wrote: > Yeah- I would use AJAX to talk/poll server and JSON as a fast transport of state objects > and either sessions or a db to store the state on the server. Sessions have an expiration > you'll need to account for but otherwise you'll need some authentication for a db state. > Using JSON to store all the state/object data between server and client would keep it pretty simple without a lot of translation. I usually code all my client UI's to just handle JSON, which keeps your code very clean. Translating a JSON object array to a sortable table for example is very fast and efficient and can be used over and over. > > Matt |
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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2008-03-14 23:16:27
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Yeah- I would use AJAX to talk/poll server and JSON as a fast transport of state objects and either sessions or a db to store the state on the server. Sessions have an expiration you'll need to account for but otherwise you'll need some authentication for a db state. Using JSON to store all the state/object data between server and client would keep it pretty simple without a lot of translation. I usually code all my client UI's to just handle JSON, which keeps your code very clean. Translating a JSON object array to a sortable table for example is very fast and efficient and can be used over and over. Matt ----- Original Message ---- From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 5:01:25 PM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] hi, PHP gurus in Chicago land Hey Joe! In short PHP in standard config (mod_php in apache) doesn't keep itself alive but rather lives inside the Apache children daemons. But whenever it gets called to execute code it starts with a clean interpreter, meaning state gets dropped between request processing. This is a Good Thing when it comes to pure HTTP-based web applications and makes for cleaner horizontal scaling. It is however a downside when you try to do things like what you are describing. Java is generally better suited to bolting HTTP on top of client-server model applications. If you want it to stay on a single machine that is. The way you might approach this would be to use traditional Unix models for IPC and network programming. Fork a background process to maintain persistent connection to server (if thats required) and pick an IPC mechanism for subsequent HTTP transactions to request state and eventually flush output to client. You could use a simple Javascript/AJAX mechanism to poll (web) server every so often. The great thing about PHP is it doesn't hide the OS from you, so if you know how to use the Unix operating system for distributed or network computing, then PHP plays very nice with it. If you only know a programming language (like Java) then you would have a hard time doing everything in pure PHP. Hope that helps some! -jason Guangsheng HE wrote: > Hi to all PHP gurus in Chicago land! > > I have been working with C/C++/Perl in UNIX/LINUX environment for many years > and now want to create web for both myself and some projects at work. > > I have experience with simple HTML, CGI and SQL, and a little bit PHP work > two years ago. I want to use PHP to make my user interface nice and friendly > -:) > > I want this page talk to communicate with server and display contents. > Because users are not superuser so I run several listening process/thread on > server side, I wish this php page can constantly exchanges data with server. > Some process might take more than 10 minutes before sending feedback to > client. > > First 'dump' question is, how PHP keeps alive and refresh itself? > > Happy weekend to you all. > > Joe > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Jason R. <ja...@ho...> - 2008-03-14 22:01:55
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Hey Joe! In short PHP in standard config (mod_php in apache) doesn't keep itself alive but rather lives inside the Apache children daemons. But whenever it gets called to execute code it starts with a clean interpreter, meaning state gets dropped between request processing. This is a Good Thing when it comes to pure HTTP-based web applications and makes for cleaner horizontal scaling. It is however a downside when you try to do things like what you are describing. Java is generally better suited to bolting HTTP on top of client-server model applications. If you want it to stay on a single machine that is. The way you might approach this would be to use traditional Unix models for IPC and network programming. Fork a background process to maintain persistent connection to server (if thats required) and pick an IPC mechanism for subsequent HTTP transactions to request state and eventually flush output to client. You could use a simple Javascript/AJAX mechanism to poll (web) server every so often. The great thing about PHP is it doesn't hide the OS from you, so if you know how to use the Unix operating system for distributed or network computing, then PHP plays very nice with it. If you only know a programming language (like Java) then you would have a hard time doing everything in pure PHP. Hope that helps some! -jason Guangsheng HE wrote: > Hi to all PHP gurus in Chicago land! > > I have been working with C/C++/Perl in UNIX/LINUX environment for many years > and now want to create web for both myself and some projects at work. > > I have experience with simple HTML, CGI and SQL, and a little bit PHP work > two years ago. I want to use PHP to make my user interface nice and friendly > -:) > > I want this page talk to communicate with server and display contents. > Because users are not superuser so I run several listening process/thread on > server side, I wish this php page can constantly exchanges data with server. > Some process might take more than 10 minutes before sending feedback to > client. > > First 'dump' question is, how PHP keeps alive and refresh itself? > > Happy weekend to you all. > > Joe > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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