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From: Peter S. <sn...@gm...> - 2009-11-05 20:19:53
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I recommend using a easy solution like MAMP, which will take care of all the bits you likely need (apache / PHP / MySQL, etc) for you. Unless I'm misunderstanding the problem... Pete On Nov 5, 2009, at 9:15 PM, Roderick D. Thomas wrote: > I'm trying to install Apache/PHP/MySql on my computer (Windows XP) > strictly for development purposes. I installed Apache 2.2.14 and it > appears to be working fine. I get the "it's working" page at http://localhost/ > > I then installed PHP 5.3.0 but .php pages aren't being recognized. > I've been reading through support Apache and PHP support pages with > no luck. I tried follow instructions below from the PHP install.txt > file: > > Installing as an Apache module > > You should add the following lines to your Apache httpd.conf file: > > Example 2-3. PHP as an Apache 1.3.x module > > This assumes PHP is installed to c:\php. Adjust the path if this is > not > the case. > > For PHP 5: > # Add to the end of the LoadModule section > LoadModule php5_module "C:/php/php5apache.dll" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I inserted the following line but Apache didn't like it. Apache > won't restart when it's there. > LoadModule php5_module C:\Program Files\PHP\php5apache.dll > > And I can't make sense of the rest of the instructions. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # Add to the end of the AddModule section > AddModule mod_php5.c > > For both: > # Add this line inside the <IfModule mod_mime.c> conditional brace > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php > > # For syntax highlighted .phps files, also add > AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Roderick D. T. <tho...@ms...> - 2009-11-05 20:16:02
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I'm trying to install Apache/PHP/MySql on my computer (Windows XP) strictly for development purposes. I installed Apache 2.2.14 and it appears to be working fine. I get the "it's working" page at http://localhost/ I then installed PHP 5.3.0 but .php pages aren't being recognized. I've been reading through support Apache and PHP support pages with no luck. I tried follow instructions below from the PHP install.txt file: Installing as an Apache module You should add the following lines to your Apache httpd.conf file: Example 2-3. PHP as an Apache 1.3.x module This assumes PHP is installed to c:\php. Adjust the path if this is not the case. For PHP 5: # Add to the end of the LoadModule section LoadModule php5_module "C:/php/php5apache.dll" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I inserted the following line but Apache didn't like it. Apache won't restart when it's there. LoadModule php5_module C:\Program Files\PHP\php5apache.dll And I can't make sense of the rest of the instructions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Add to the end of the AddModule section AddModule mod_php5.c For both: # Add this line inside the <IfModule mod_mime.c> conditional brace AddType application/x-httpd-php .php # For syntax highlighted .phps files, also add AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps |
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From: Arlo L. <ar...@ar...> - 2009-10-19 13:26:50
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> What are your top ten bad hacker movie moments? Not quite the same, but I haven't seen Star Trek 4 since it came out, yet I often remember this scene. The crew of the Enterprise has travelled back in time to the 1980's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzRziK-kZtQ Once Scotty starts "typing," we see a great example of that Hollywood OS Barry mentioned. Cheers, -Arlo _______________________________ Arlo Leach 773.769.6106 http://arlomedia.com |
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From: junkmail <jun...@2z...> - 2009-10-19 12:26:38
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One of the most valid hacker moments is from the Matrix Reloaded. Trinity uses NMAP to sniff out SSH and some fictitious app to hack into the power grid. While the app was fake, the bug the terminal output claimed to be exploiting was real. The SSHv1 CRC32 bug to be exact. I have to give cudos to the mention of Sneakers. That is still one of my favorites! Andy Carlson wrote: > Waynes World 2, when girl from the permit office meets Garth at Waynestock > and Garth asks her, "That a UNIX Book?". > > Girl replies, "Yea." > > Garth confirms, "Cool." > > FYI, it's a Network Programming for UNIX book (that I think I have a copy > of). COOL!!!!!!!!, > > Andy Carlson > Carlson Technology > http://www.carlson-tech.com > (815) 200-9303 > --------------------------------------------------- > "Man's conquest of Nature turns out, in the moment of its consummation, to > be Nature's conquest of Man." -- C.S. Lewis > > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:16 PM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: > > >> My son insisted on watching Independence Day on cable. >> >> The part where they are going to 'upload' a virus to the mothership might >> make a top ten. >> I said to my son, "we need to run to Radio Shack and get a Mothership >> adapter." >> and then- "what luck, the Mothership OS is Windows". >> >> What are your top ten bad hacker movie moments? >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> >> To: chi...@li... >> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:52:42 AM >> Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] [Fwd: PHP Developer - Contactor (contractor to >> hire) position] >> >> >> >> -------------------------- Original Message -------------------------- >> Subject: PHP Developer - Contactor (contractor to hire) position >> From: "Oleg Voloshin" <ovo...@za...> >> Date: Thu, October 15, 2009 9:20 am >> To: chi...@L-... >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hello group, >> >> >> >> We are looking for a mid to senior level PHP developer with the >> qualifications outlined in the attached document as well as listed >> below. This is initially a contract position with a potential for >> contract to hire. >> >> >> >> PHP Web Developer – Contract (with hire potential) >> >> The ideal candidate would have experience as an engineer and architect >> for object oriented websites using PHP, with MySQL/Oracle and >> Linux.​ Strong experience with engineering, developing and coding >> sites is a must.​ >> >> The PHP Developer will plan, research, develop logic, code, and test >> and deploy several web projects with minimal assistance.​ They will >> need to know how to build a PHP web application from the ground up, as >> well as modify and build upon an existing codebase.​ >> >> Requirements: >> >> * 3+ Years in web development using PHP for commercial websites >> * 2+ years utilizing objects in PHP >> * 2+ years utilizing object oriented design and development >> * Experience in development and maintenance of applications and Web >> Services using LAMP >> * Experience in e-commerce applications development >> * Demonstrated excellent analytical, decision-making skills and >> willingness to take on big challenges and solve complex problems >> * Ability to think strategically about business issues, manage >> deadlines, drive closure between cross-group teams, and communicate >> recommendations >> * Ability to make strategically-sound decisions with little >> information in an fast moving environment, and be able to influence >> change and drive process and structure >> * Excellent communication, team-work and problem solving skills >> * Experience working with trading and investment data is a plus >> >> >> >> Kindly, >> >> >> >> Oleg Voloshin >> >> Zacks Investment Research >> >> 111 N. Canal Street, Suite 1400 >> >> Email: ovo...@za... >> >> Phone: 312-265-9117 >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Some people ask for gifts here. >> I just want you to buy an Indie CD for yourself: >> http://cdbaby.com/search/from/lynch >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > |
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From: Andy C. <bng...@gm...> - 2009-10-19 11:51:11
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Waynes World 2, when girl from the permit office meets Garth at Waynestock and Garth asks her, "That a UNIX Book?". Girl replies, "Yea." Garth confirms, "Cool." FYI, it's a Network Programming for UNIX book (that I think I have a copy of). COOL!!!!!!!!, Andy Carlson Carlson Technology http://www.carlson-tech.com (815) 200-9303 --------------------------------------------------- "Man's conquest of Nature turns out, in the moment of its consummation, to be Nature's conquest of Man." -- C.S. Lewis On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:16 PM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: > My son insisted on watching Independence Day on cable. > > The part where they are going to 'upload' a virus to the mothership might > make a top ten. > I said to my son, "we need to run to Radio Shack and get a Mothership > adapter." > and then- "what luck, the Mothership OS is Windows". > > What are your top ten bad hacker movie moments? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> > To: chi...@li... > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:52:42 AM > Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] [Fwd: PHP Developer - Contactor (contractor to > hire) position] > > > > -------------------------- Original Message -------------------------- > Subject: PHP Developer - Contactor (contractor to hire) position > From: "Oleg Voloshin" <ovo...@za...> > Date: Thu, October 15, 2009 9:20 am > To: chi...@L-... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello group, > > > > We are looking for a mid to senior level PHP developer with the > qualifications outlined in the attached document as well as listed > below. This is initially a contract position with a potential for > contract to hire. > > > > PHP Web Developer – Contract (with hire potential) > > The ideal candidate would have experience as an engineer and architect > for object oriented websites using PHP, with MySQL/Oracle and > Linux.​ Strong experience with engineering, developing and coding > sites is a must.​ > > The PHP Developer will plan, research, develop logic, code, and test > and deploy several web projects with minimal assistance.​ They will > need to know how to build a PHP web application from the ground up, as > well as modify and build upon an existing codebase.​ > > Requirements: > > * 3+ Years in web development using PHP for commercial websites > * 2+ years utilizing objects in PHP > * 2+ years utilizing object oriented design and development > * Experience in development and maintenance of applications and Web > Services using LAMP > * Experience in e-commerce applications development > * Demonstrated excellent analytical, decision-making skills and > willingness to take on big challenges and solve complex problems > * Ability to think strategically about business issues, manage > deadlines, drive closure between cross-group teams, and communicate > recommendations > * Ability to make strategically-sound decisions with little > information in an fast moving environment, and be able to influence > change and drive process and structure > * Excellent communication, team-work and problem solving skills > * Experience working with trading and investment data is a plus > > > > Kindly, > > > > Oleg Voloshin > > Zacks Investment Research > > 111 N. Canal Street, Suite 1400 > > Email: ovo...@za... > > Phone: 312-265-9117 > > > > > > -- > Some people ask for gifts here. > I just want you to buy an Indie CD for yourself: > http://cdbaby.com/search/from/lynch > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > |
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From: Trevor O. <tr...@gm...> - 2009-10-18 18:24:19
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Other 'good' hacking movies: Sneakers, a movie about a mathematician who creates a chip that can factor large prime numbers (well, it's not about that, it's about a group of guys hired to steal it). Primer, which is more about time travel than hacking, but it approaches computer science from an accurate angle. an amazing movie considering the $7000 budget. 2009/10/18 matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> > That Core looks almost watchable. > > Sandra Bullock's the Net has to excluded as it's plain awful in any context > and set a REALLY bad trend. > > Swordfish could be the worst of the new with the hacker/dance video vibe. > It has the classic tap,tap, tappity tap - enter - BOOYEAH hacker sequence. > I think only the movie PI pulls that off: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQYYGwYTPuY > > I just finished reading "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" which, has some > passable hacking and some soon to be ridiculous hardware references. > Look for that to get garbled in the movie version. > > I heard this was good-" 23 – Nichts ist so wie es scheint" > Going to watch this today (full movie): > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4392076678080895410 > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> > To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...> > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:44:17 PM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Top ten bad hacker movie moments > > CSI might be a TV show, but man, do they stink at technobabble. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU > > Swordfish has probably 5 of the top 10 scenes. > This one has some bad language and some insinuated sex, but it involves > hacking the Dept of Defense (with 128-bit encryption, no less!) in 60 > seconds. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUY8HysBzsE > There's another scene where the protagonist writes a virus, by watching a > cube spin around and going "OH YEAH!!!" over and over like the Kool-Aid > man. > Seriously. > > Probably the most famous bad hacking scene ever is in Jurassic Park... > "It's > a UNIX system... I know this!" > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng > > Hackers from 1995 is a two-hour-long bad hacking scene, with bits of > Angelina Jolie spliced in > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2efhrCxI4J0 > > Untraceable clearly had a writer who consulted with a computer guy, because > they actually did a half-decent job at trying to make a believable hacking > scenario. It still fails miserably, but they get bonus points for trying. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzZGp_oAFQU (skip to the 4 minute mark) > > Firewall is a painfully bad one, too. > There's one scene where Harrison Ford needs to get data off a computer. > Instead of uploading it to the internet or putting it on disk, he takes > the > light sensor from a scanner, plugs it into his ipod, and then tapes it to > his computer screen. > I couldn't find video of this. > > The Italian Job uses hacking almost as a Deus Ex Machina plot device. That > was painful to watch too. > > > The Core is a movie about the core of the earth's rotation stopping, and > they need to send people with nukes and a computer hacker to the center of > the earth to jumpstart it again > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpiRuHKNrEw > > Antitrust has some great awful hacking scenes. The opening credits are the > best part, though, where it flashes computer code up on the screen. This > computer code is just HTML though. The premise to the plot is that the Big > Evil Corporation steals code by reading it via hidden camera from basement > hackers' computer screens as they code. > > Prison Break, another TV show, has a part where some hacker dude builds a > device that can download all the data fron nearby electronics (a 20 foot > radius or so), be it RAM memory, a CD, a SSD or a normal hard drive. > Presumably through Van Eck Phreaking or something like that. > > > That's about all I can think of. > > 2009/10/17 matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> > > > My son insisted on watching Independence Day on cable. > > > > The part where they are going to 'upload' a virus to the mothership might > > make a top ten. > > I said to my son, "we need to run to Radio Shack and get a Mothership > > adapter." > > and then- "what luck, the Mothership OS is Windows". > > > > What are your top ten bad hacker movie moments? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > |
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From: Barry V. A. <ba...@vo...> - 2009-10-18 16:58:39
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another "not hacking", but I always love how computers can't run silently, so they have lots of floppy drive access sounds in the background - TV's criminal minds is particularly bad about it see also hollywoodOS: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?HollywoodOs -barry matt donohue wrote: > That Core looks almost watchable. > > Sandra Bullock's the Net has to excluded as it's plain awful in any context and set a REALLY bad trend. > > Swordfish could be the worst of the new with the hacker/dance video vibe. > It has the classic tap,tap, tappity tap - enter - BOOYEAH hacker sequence. > I think only the movie PI pulls that off: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQYYGwYTPuY > > I just finished reading "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" which, has some passable hacking and some soon to be ridiculous hardware references. > Look for that to get garbled in the movie version. > > I heard this was good-" 23 – Nichts ist so wie es scheint" > Going to watch this today (full movie): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4392076678080895410 > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> > To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...> > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:44:17 PM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Top ten bad hacker movie moments > > CSI might be a TV show, but man, do they stink at technobabble. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU > > Swordfish has probably 5 of the top 10 scenes. > This one has some bad language and some insinuated sex, but it involves > hacking the Dept of Defense (with 128-bit encryption, no less!) in 60 > seconds. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUY8HysBzsE > There's another scene where the protagonist writes a virus, by watching a > cube spin around and going "OH YEAH!!!" over and over like the Kool-Aid man. > Seriously. > > Probably the most famous bad hacking scene ever is in Jurassic Park... "It's > a UNIX system... I know this!" > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng > > Hackers from 1995 is a two-hour-long bad hacking scene, with bits of > Angelina Jolie spliced in > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2efhrCxI4J0 > > Untraceable clearly had a writer who consulted with a computer guy, because > they actually did a half-decent job at trying to make a believable hacking > scenario. It still fails miserably, but they get bonus points for trying. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzZGp_oAFQU (skip to the 4 minute mark) > > Firewall is a painfully bad one, too. > There's one scene where Harrison Ford needs to get data off a computer. > Instead of uploading it to the internet or putting it on disk, he takes the > light sensor from a scanner, plugs it into his ipod, and then tapes it to > his computer screen. > I couldn't find video of this. > > The Italian Job uses hacking almost as a Deus Ex Machina plot device. That > was painful to watch too. > > > The Core is a movie about the core of the earth's rotation stopping, and > they need to send people with nukes and a computer hacker to the center of > the earth to jumpstart it again > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpiRuHKNrEw > > Antitrust has some great awful hacking scenes. The opening credits are the > best part, though, where it flashes computer code up on the screen. This > computer code is just HTML though. The premise to the plot is that the Big > Evil Corporation steals code by reading it via hidden camera from basement > hackers' computer screens as they code. > > Prison Break, another TV show, has a part where some hacker dude builds a > device that can download all the data fron nearby electronics (a 20 foot > radius or so), be it RAM memory, a CD, a SSD or a normal hard drive. > Presumably through Van Eck Phreaking or something like that. > > > That's about all I can think of. > > 2009/10/17 matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> > >> My son insisted on watching Independence Day on cable. >> >> The part where they are going to 'upload' a virus to the mothership might >> make a top ten. >> I said to my son, "we need to run to Radio Shack and get a Mothership >> adapter." >> and then- "what luck, the Mothership OS is Windows". >> >> What are your top ten bad hacker movie moments? >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2009-10-18 14:34:37
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That Core looks almost watchable. Sandra Bullock's the Net has to excluded as it's plain awful in any context and set a REALLY bad trend. Swordfish could be the worst of the new with the hacker/dance video vibe. It has the classic tap,tap, tappity tap - enter - BOOYEAH hacker sequence. I think only the movie PI pulls that off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQYYGwYTPuY I just finished reading "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" which, has some passable hacking and some soon to be ridiculous hardware references. Look for that to get garbled in the movie version. I heard this was good-" 23 – Nichts ist so wie es scheint" Going to watch this today (full movie): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4392076678080895410 ________________________________ From: Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:44:17 PM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Top ten bad hacker movie moments CSI might be a TV show, but man, do they stink at technobabble. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU Swordfish has probably 5 of the top 10 scenes. This one has some bad language and some insinuated sex, but it involves hacking the Dept of Defense (with 128-bit encryption, no less!) in 60 seconds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUY8HysBzsE There's another scene where the protagonist writes a virus, by watching a cube spin around and going "OH YEAH!!!" over and over like the Kool-Aid man. Seriously. Probably the most famous bad hacking scene ever is in Jurassic Park... "It's a UNIX system... I know this!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng Hackers from 1995 is a two-hour-long bad hacking scene, with bits of Angelina Jolie spliced in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2efhrCxI4J0 Untraceable clearly had a writer who consulted with a computer guy, because they actually did a half-decent job at trying to make a believable hacking scenario. It still fails miserably, but they get bonus points for trying. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzZGp_oAFQU (skip to the 4 minute mark) Firewall is a painfully bad one, too. There's one scene where Harrison Ford needs to get data off a computer. Instead of uploading it to the internet or putting it on disk, he takes the light sensor from a scanner, plugs it into his ipod, and then tapes it to his computer screen. I couldn't find video of this. The Italian Job uses hacking almost as a Deus Ex Machina plot device. That was painful to watch too. The Core is a movie about the core of the earth's rotation stopping, and they need to send people with nukes and a computer hacker to the center of the earth to jumpstart it again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpiRuHKNrEw Antitrust has some great awful hacking scenes. The opening credits are the best part, though, where it flashes computer code up on the screen. This computer code is just HTML though. The premise to the plot is that the Big Evil Corporation steals code by reading it via hidden camera from basement hackers' computer screens as they code. Prison Break, another TV show, has a part where some hacker dude builds a device that can download all the data fron nearby electronics (a 20 foot radius or so), be it RAM memory, a CD, a SSD or a normal hard drive. Presumably through Van Eck Phreaking or something like that. That's about all I can think of. 2009/10/17 matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> > My son insisted on watching Independence Day on cable. > > The part where they are going to 'upload' a virus to the mothership might > make a top ten. > I said to my son, "we need to run to Radio Shack and get a Mothership > adapter." > and then- "what luck, the Mothership OS is Windows". > > What are your top ten bad hacker movie moments? > > |
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From: Trevor O. <tr...@gm...> - 2009-10-18 03:44:29
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CSI might be a TV show, but man, do they stink at technobabble. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU Swordfish has probably 5 of the top 10 scenes. This one has some bad language and some insinuated sex, but it involves hacking the Dept of Defense (with 128-bit encryption, no less!) in 60 seconds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUY8HysBzsE There's another scene where the protagonist writes a virus, by watching a cube spin around and going "OH YEAH!!!" over and over like the Kool-Aid man. Seriously. Probably the most famous bad hacking scene ever is in Jurassic Park... "It's a UNIX system... I know this!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng Hackers from 1995 is a two-hour-long bad hacking scene, with bits of Angelina Jolie spliced in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2efhrCxI4J0 Untraceable clearly had a writer who consulted with a computer guy, because they actually did a half-decent job at trying to make a believable hacking scenario. It still fails miserably, but they get bonus points for trying. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzZGp_oAFQU (skip to the 4 minute mark) Firewall is a painfully bad one, too. There's one scene where Harrison Ford needs to get data off a computer. Instead of uploading it to the internet or putting it on disk, he takes the light sensor from a scanner, plugs it into his ipod, and then tapes it to his computer screen. I couldn't find video of this. The Italian Job uses hacking almost as a Deus Ex Machina plot device. That was painful to watch too. The Core is a movie about the core of the earth's rotation stopping, and they need to send people with nukes and a computer hacker to the center of the earth to jumpstart it again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpiRuHKNrEw Antitrust has some great awful hacking scenes. The opening credits are the best part, though, where it flashes computer code up on the screen. This computer code is just HTML though. The premise to the plot is that the Big Evil Corporation steals code by reading it via hidden camera from basement hackers' computer screens as they code. Prison Break, another TV show, has a part where some hacker dude builds a device that can download all the data fron nearby electronics (a 20 foot radius or so), be it RAM memory, a CD, a SSD or a normal hard drive. Presumably through Van Eck Phreaking or something like that. That's about all I can think of. 2009/10/17 matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> > My son insisted on watching Independence Day on cable. > > The part where they are going to 'upload' a virus to the mothership might > make a top ten. > I said to my son, "we need to run to Radio Shack and get a Mothership > adapter." > and then- "what luck, the Mothership OS is Windows". > > What are your top ten bad hacker movie moments? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> > To: chi...@li... > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:52:42 AM > Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] [Fwd: PHP Developer - Contactor (contractor to > hire) position] > > > > -------------------------- Original Message -------------------------- > Subject: PHP Developer - Contactor (contractor to hire) position > From: "Oleg Voloshin" <ovo...@za...> > Date: Thu, October 15, 2009 9:20 am > To: chi...@L-... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello group, > > > > We are looking for a mid to senior level PHP developer with the > qualifications outlined in the attached document as well as listed > below. This is initially a contract position with a potential for > contract to hire. > > > > PHP Web Developer – Contract (with hire potential) > > The ideal candidate would have experience as an engineer and architect > for object oriented websites using PHP, with MySQL/Oracle and > Linux.​ Strong experience with engineering, developing and coding > sites is a must.​ > > The PHP Developer will plan, research, develop logic, code, and test > and deploy several web projects with minimal assistance.​ They will > need to know how to build a PHP web application from the ground up, as > well as modify and build upon an existing codebase.​ > > Requirements: > > * 3+ Years in web development using PHP for commercial websites > * 2+ years utilizing objects in PHP > * 2+ years utilizing object oriented design and development > * Experience in development and maintenance of applications and Web > Services using LAMP > * Experience in e-commerce applications development > * Demonstrated excellent analytical, decision-making skills and > willingness to take on big challenges and solve complex problems > * Ability to think strategically about business issues, manage > deadlines, drive closure between cross-group teams, and communicate > recommendations > * Ability to make strategically-sound decisions with little > information in an fast moving environment, and be able to influence > change and drive process and structure > * Excellent communication, team-work and problem solving skills > * Experience working with trading and investment data is a plus > > > > Kindly, > > > > Oleg Voloshin > > Zacks Investment Research > > 111 N. Canal Street, Suite 1400 > > Email: ovo...@za... > > Phone: 312-265-9117 > > > > > > -- > Some people ask for gifts here. > I just want you to buy an Indie CD for yourself: > http://cdbaby.com/search/from/lynch > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > |
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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2009-10-18 01:17:04
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My son insisted on watching Independence Day on cable. The part where they are going to 'upload' a virus to the mothership might make a top ten. I said to my son, "we need to run to Radio Shack and get a Mothership adapter." and then- "what luck, the Mothership OS is Windows". What are your top ten bad hacker movie moments? ________________________________ From: Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> To: chi...@li... Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:52:42 AM Subject: [chiPHPug-discuss] [Fwd: PHP Developer - Contactor (contractor to hire) position] -------------------------- Original Message -------------------------- Subject: PHP Developer - Contactor (contractor to hire) position From: "Oleg Voloshin" <ovo...@za...> Date: Thu, October 15, 2009 9:20 am To: chi...@L-... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello group, We are looking for a mid to senior level PHP developer with the qualifications outlined in the attached document as well as listed below. This is initially a contract position with a potential for contract to hire. PHP Web Developer – Contract (with hire potential) The ideal candidate would have experience as an engineer and architect for object oriented websites using PHP, with MySQL/Oracle and Linux.​ Strong experience with engineering, developing and coding sites is a must.​ The PHP Developer will plan, research, develop logic, code, and test and deploy several web projects with minimal assistance.​ They will need to know how to build a PHP web application from the ground up, as well as modify and build upon an existing codebase.​ Requirements: * 3+ Years in web development using PHP for commercial websites * 2+ years utilizing objects in PHP * 2+ years utilizing object oriented design and development * Experience in development and maintenance of applications and Web Services using LAMP * Experience in e-commerce applications development * Demonstrated excellent analytical, decision-making skills and willingness to take on big challenges and solve complex problems * Ability to think strategically about business issues, manage deadlines, drive closure between cross-group teams, and communicate recommendations * Ability to make strategically-sound decisions with little information in an fast moving environment, and be able to influence change and drive process and structure * Excellent communication, team-work and problem solving skills * Experience working with trading and investment data is a plus Kindly, Oleg Voloshin Zacks Investment Research 111 N. Canal Street, Suite 1400 Email: ovo...@za... Phone: 312-265-9117 -- Some people ask for gifts here. I just want you to buy an Indie CD for yourself: http://cdbaby.com/search/from/lynch |
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From: Richard L. <ce...@l-...> - 2009-10-15 15:52:57
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-------------------------- Original Message -------------------------- Subject: PHP Developer - Contactor (contractor to hire) position From: "Oleg Voloshin" <ovo...@za...> Date: Thu, October 15, 2009 9:20 am To: chi...@L-... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello group, We are looking for a mid to senior level PHP developer with the qualifications outlined in the attached document as well as listed below. This is initially a contract position with a potential for contract to hire. PHP Web Developer â Contract (with hire potential) The ideal candidate would have experience as an engineer and architect for object oriented websites using PHP, with MySQL/Oracle and Linux.â Strong experience with engineering, developing and coding sites is a must.â The PHP Developer will plan, research, develop logic, code, and test and deploy several web projects with minimal assistance.â They will need to know how to build a PHP web application from the ground up, as well as modify and build upon an existing codebase.â Requirements: * 3+ Years in web development using PHP for commercial websites * 2+ years utilizing objects in PHP * 2+ years utilizing object oriented design and development * Experience in development and maintenance of applications and Web Services using LAMP * Experience in e-commerce applications development * Demonstrated excellent analytical, decision-making skills and willingness to take on big challenges and solve complex problems * Ability to think strategically about business issues, manage deadlines, drive closure between cross-group teams, and communicate recommendations * Ability to make strategically-sound decisions with little information in an fast moving environment, and be able to influence change and drive process and structure * Excellent communication, team-work and problem solving skills * Experience working with trading and investment data is a plus Kindly, Oleg Voloshin Zacks Investment Research 111 N. Canal Street, Suite 1400 Email: ovo...@za... Phone: 312-265-9117 -- Some people ask for gifts here. I just want you to buy an Indie CD for yourself: http://cdbaby.com/search/from/lynch |
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From: Mike B. <mbo...@ya...> - 2009-10-02 12:03:14
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You've really got to watch this video!! It mocks the Windows 7 video really well with bleeps in all of the right places. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyas7BrbUFY&feature=player_embedded On another note, I'm interested in going back to school for some sort of IT degree. Does anybody have any ideas? What programs or schools should I look into, etc. -Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com |
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From: Richard L. <ce...@l-...> - 2009-09-21 03:14:28
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I know nothing more about this position. Contact Anit for details -------------------------- Original Message -------------------------- Subject: From Collabera - Excellent Job Opportunity From: "Anit Parmar" |
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From: Jason R. <ja...@ho...> - 2009-09-20 16:55:21
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Hey gang,
Below is the code I used to illustrate taking an apache daemon off to
do what people often do in cron jobs. There are dangers in this method
but also a few benefits as well, least of which is leveraging existing
code base and memcache/DB/FS connection and resource pools already
designed into your app (and not duplicating them for CLI cron purposes).
You can also still trigger this execution via cron with a very simple
curl call.
I quickly hacked together the "locking" method for Named jobs which
obviously only works on single or dedicated cron machine, but I figured
I'd add it to illustrate what I was talking about regarding coordination
of long running jobs. You should replace it with perhaps a call to a
centralized memcache or DB store if you wanted to do locking across
multiple machines. Doing all that right was to complex to add into
simple example.
Also keep in mind the balancing you have to do with memory if you
allow the job to up its mem limit to something high. As a refresher, a
typical tuned apache/mysql config might be like:
4gb RAM on server
8mb PHP memlimit + 2mb apache module overhead = 10mb/per process
normal OS running 256mb = 3,840mb available
apache MaxClients = 384
(assuming you've tweaked apache headers prioir to recompile to allow
>256 on linux)
Now if you use one of these daemons to do a job that takes 120mb memory
to run AND you get hit with large spike of heavy traffic you could send
your web server into thrashing state (allocated mem > RAM -> swap to
disk)... So I might tune apache to accommodate this model by dropping
MaxClients down to 373 (384 - (120mb / 10mb per daemon - 1) )..
Anyways, I'm sure I've got errors in the above but you get the idea..
Here is code:
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<?php
function LogIt($msg=null){
print $msg;
return TRUE;
}
//---------------------------------------------------------------------------
// BEGIN StartBatchJob
// NEED TO ADD NAMED JOBS, LOCKING, RECOVER, SEPARATE LOGGING
//---------------------------------------------------------------------------
public function StartBatchJob($Name='',$MemLimit=NULL){
$MeFile=__FILE__;
$MeClass=__CLASS__;
$MeFunction=__FUNCTION__;
$Me="$MeFile:$MeClass:$MeFunction";
// QUICK HACK FOR LOCKING BATCH JOB
if($Name){
$LockDir="/tmp/$Name";
$PID=posix_getpid();
if(!mkdir($LockDir,0770,TRUE)){
$Files=scandir($LockDir);
$FoundPid='';
if($Files){
foreach($Files as $File){if($File!='.'&&$File!='..'){
$FoundPid=$File;
}}
}
if($FoundPid){
// CHECK IF PID RUNNING
if(file_exists("/proc/$FoundPid")){
print "\n<br>\nBATCH JOB STILL RUNNING\n<br>\n";
LogIt("$Me BATCH JOB STILL RUNNING $LockDir");
return FALSE;
}else{
print "\n<br>\n PREVIOUS BATCH JOB DEAD, CLEARING LOCK\n<br>\n";
LogIt("$Me PREVIOUS BATCH JOB DEAD, CLEARING LOCK $LockDir");
unlink("$LockDir/$FoundPid");
}
}
}
touch("$LockDir/$PID");
}
// FLUSH CONTENT AND LET CLIENT DISCONNECT
ini_set('zlib.output_compression','0');
ignore_user_abort(1);
header('Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1');
header('Connection: close');
$size = ob_get_length();
header("Content-Length: $size");
while(ob_get_length()>0){
ob_end_flush();
ob_flush();
flush();
}
// SET EXECUTION PARAMETERS AND RETURN
ini_set('max_execution_time','0');
ini_set('child_terminate','1');
if($MemLimit!=NULL){ini_set('memory_limit', $MemLimit);}
set_time_limit(0);
return TRUE;
// DEFAULT ERROR
LogIt("$Me DEFAULT ERROR. SHOULD NOT BE HERE");
return FALSE;
} // END StartBatchJob
//---------------------------------------------------------------------------
// BEGIN EndBatchJob
// NEED TO ADD NAMED JOBS, LOCKING, RECOVER, SEPARATE LOGGING
//---------------------------------------------------------------------------
public function EndBatchJob($Name=''){
$MeFile=__FILE__;
$MeClass=__CLASS__;
$MeFunction=__FUNCTION__;
$Me="$MeFile:$MeClass:$MeFunction";
// HACK UNLOCK
if($Name){
$LockDir="/tmp/$Name";
if(is_dir($LockDir)){
$Files=scandir($LockDir);
if($Files){
foreach($Files as $File){
if($File!='.'&&$File!='..'){unlink("$LockDir/$File");}
}
}
rmdir($LockDir);
}
}
// TELL APACHE TO KILL THIS DAEMON FOR MEMORY CLEANUP
ini_set('child_terminate','1');
apache_child_terminate();
exit(0);
LogIt("$Me DEFAULT ERROR. SHOULD NOT BE HERE");
return FALSE;
} // END StartBatchJob
?>
<html>
<head>
<body><center>
<h1>Batch Job Runner Example</h1>
<?php
$var='';
if(isset($_REQUEST['Job'])){$Job=$_REQUEST['Job'];}
$PID=posix_getpid();
print "$Job will be run by daemon $PID\n<br>\n";
?>
</center></body></html>
<?php
if($Job){
if($HTTPTrans->StartBatchJob($Job)){
// DO LONG RUNNING WORK
sleep(10);
$HTTPTrans->EndBatchJob($Job);
}
}
?>
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From: Jason R. <ja...@ho...> - 2009-09-17 19:30:57
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Thanks! And thanks everyone for coming last night. Good time. Looking forward to next months talk.. junkmail wrote: > Here are some cool little bits of code that I found to be very simple > and flexible. > > This is a 4kb, yes FOUR kilobyte flash based MP3 player that has a > javascript interface released under MIT license > niftyPlayer > http://www.varal.org/media/niftyplayer/ > > For uploading, I've defaulted to using SWFUpload > This a small, javascript controllable, flash based uploader. It provides > upload speed and file size information that can be accessed via javascript. > http://swfupload.org/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: junkmail <jun...@2z...> - 2009-09-17 19:10:09
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Here are some cool little bits of code that I found to be very simple and flexible. This is a 4kb, yes FOUR kilobyte flash based MP3 player that has a javascript interface released under MIT license niftyPlayer http://www.varal.org/media/niftyplayer/ For uploading, I've defaulted to using SWFUpload This a small, javascript controllable, flash based uploader. It provides upload speed and file size information that can be accessed via javascript. http://swfupload.org/ |
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From: Collin O'N. <co...@po...> - 2009-09-16 18:52:33
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Sounds great. I'll be there. Jason Rexilius wrote: > How many people are interested in coming tonight? I have been working > on a message queue model that I could share. I'd actually like some > feedback on it.. > > > > rc...@mi... wrote: > >> chiPHPuggers: >> >> Are we meeting tonight? Brill St or SitterCity? Any planned presentation(s)? >> >> Cheers, >> >> :djm >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > |
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From: Jason R. <ja...@ho...> - 2009-09-16 17:44:57
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How many people are interested in coming tonight? I have been working on a message queue model that I could share. I'd actually like some feedback on it.. rc...@mi... wrote: > chiPHPuggers: > > Are we meeting tonight? Brill St or SitterCity? Any planned presentation(s)? > > Cheers, > > :djm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Jason R. <ja...@ho...> - 2009-09-16 17:40:20
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BTW, BrillStreet is hosting again tonight. 445 W. Erie St., Suite 200 if any problems, feel free to call me: 847.208.1000 rc...@mi... wrote: > chiPHPuggers: > > Are we meeting tonight? Brill St or SitterCity? Any planned presentation(s)? > > Cheers, > > :djm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: junkmail <jun...@2z...> - 2009-09-16 17:19:05
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I'll be showing up at Brill Street so I hope someone is there! I was there last month and had a great time. rc...@mi... wrote: > chiPHPuggers: > > Are we meeting tonight? Brill St or SitterCity? Any planned presentation(s)? > > Cheers, > > :djm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > v |
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From: <rc...@mi...> - 2009-09-16 17:01:47
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chiPHPuggers: Are we meeting tonight? Brill St or SitterCity? Any planned presentation(s)? Cheers, :djm |
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From: Neil R. <Nei...@rc...> - 2009-09-16 14:55:39
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Small, hard-working, casual shop at Dearborn & Congress needs a strong PP programmer. Starting salary mid-40s. Reply to Cc address above. Neil -- Nei...@rc... The instruction we find in books is like fire. We fetch it from our neighbours, kindle it at home, communicate it to others, and it becomes the property of all. -- Voltaire |
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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2009-09-16 04:01:04
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Thanks Jason- To Janine- I would say yes, you probabaly need to know some Drupal or Magento or some hook to get started but don't let those things color your world. Your goal should be to get to some place where your problem solving skills shine. Not your abillity to utlilize a framework. Here's my longer rant- It's been decided. If you don't get a negative response in 12 hours you are 100% correct. Always. (although Richard will still reply about 1 week later) I concurred at exactly September 15, 2009 8:45:03 AM. Having hacked Drupal to get some simple ajax working. I won't comment on what I saw reading the code since there's vested parties on this list. Obviously big frameworks are easy to beat up on because they're easier to sell and consequently everywhere. Ad Agencies can't sell individual programmers- they need to sell a brand. So, sexy names like Drupal take root even though there's nothing great under the covers. Not that there isn't good work there somewhere. Programmers would be wise to fight this. I do. DISCLAIMER/CLAIMER- I work at home 5 days a week, I'm repsonsible for a large in-house ERP system that I only touch for big projects. I'm lazy, although I work 16 hour days. I mostly train jr devs from scratch on this system. They like it when they finally understand it 6 months later. Otherwise they think they are drowning. I have a dog that is high maintenance. I've written more java and C# than anything lately (for billed projects) although that doesn't make me think anything less of PHP. I have an Ethiopian Coffee plant that enjoys the Chicago climate. I'm spacey and look up simple things like str_replace. I don't consider myself a great programmer but think I make up for it by writing super basic code that just fucking works. I have OCD and that's key to trying something for the 100th time before it works because sometimes it takes me that long. I've done side projects using Drupal and I'm NOT a fan. Not that I haven't read a few million lines of various code at this point in my life to have perspective. Our ERP system is 900K lines and I've read it twice(?) There's ugly there but it's hard to rip ERP code out unless you're adventurous. I do know shit from shinola and I yes, I am an old. ________________________________ From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:45:02 AM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] PHP / Magento Job As someone who just spent 3 months helping a team put drupal into production and 2 weeks replacing it I can tell you that Drupal has a very narrow use-case where it shines. It is NOT a general framework that can help you build a web app by any wild stretch of the imagination. It is not even a good CMS for simple needs. What Drupal is good at is being a complex CMS that is heavily integrated into business operations that are content-centric. Its not for the casual content editor or blogger. Drupal is a perfect case to illustrate Matt's point. Drupal is good at a particular thing and if you are doing that thing it can be great. But as you deviate from that thing there is an almost exponential increase in difficulty trying to make it work. I personally dislike frameworks as most of them tend to give you a lot of rope, allow you to to tie knots very quickly and help you up on to the gallows with shiny buttons. They tend to encourage bad architecture design patterns while emphasizing language semantics and details. Hearing developers get hot and bothered about cool programming models a particular framework encourages is a lot like seeing people get excited about the shiny brass on the Titanic. That is _not_ to say that code-reuse is bad or that you should always invent the wheel yourself but usually frameworks go to far without going far enough (meaning the whole architecture not just language constructs). I'm a BIG fan of libraries and components and code generators.. anything to help you get the job done more efficiently. [looks around].... how'd I end up on this soap box?.. [quickly steps down] matt donohue wrote: > Just my opinion! Larry can sell you on merits. > I think frameworks like Drupal are designed to minimize what a developer can do and I prefer a more flexible, smaller framework that empowers. > It's generally a sign the company does not value (or trust) developers and would rather swap them in like sparkplugs. Probably for good reasons! > Also- any code in a database is a deal-breaker for me. If you like developing in web forms then have at it. > > I also read a good article once about 'green' development which states the case that heavy frameworks or declarative languages like Ruby are pretty wasteful enviroment wise. CPU's = heat, heat = cooling, cooling = wasted energy. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Janine Starykowicz <jr...@ba...> > To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:47:53 PM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] PHP / Magento Job > > matt donohue wrote: >> It would help if the following occured more often: >> Drupal? Sorry- No thanks. >> > > Can you explain why to a relative newbie who is considering Drupal? > > Janine > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Neil R. <Nei...@rc...> - 2009-09-16 02:10:48
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Thank you! I seem to have a minority opinion of drupal. It's terrific at what it does, but it as sharp edges. Cross the line, and you're in for some serious work, with uncertain guidance and support. At 08:45 AM 9/15/2009, Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> wrote: >As someone who just spent 3 months helping a team put drupal into >production and 2 weeks replacing it I can tell you that Drupal has a >very narrow use-case where it shines. > >It is NOT a general framework that can help you build a web app by any >wild stretch of the imagination. It is not even a good CMS for simple >needs. What Drupal is good at is being a complex CMS that is heavily >integrated into business operations that are content-centric. Its not >for the casual content editor or blogger. Neil -- Nei...@rc... In the beginning there was nothing. God said, 'Let there be light!' And there was light. There was still nothing, but you could see it a whole lot better. -- Ellen DeGeneres |
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From: Jason R. <ja...@ho...> - 2009-09-15 15:49:19
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As someone who just spent 3 months helping a team put drupal into production and 2 weeks replacing it I can tell you that Drupal has a very narrow use-case where it shines. It is NOT a general framework that can help you build a web app by any wild stretch of the imagination. It is not even a good CMS for simple needs. What Drupal is good at is being a complex CMS that is heavily integrated into business operations that are content-centric. Its not for the casual content editor or blogger. Drupal is a perfect case to illustrate Matt's point. Drupal is good at a particular thing and if you are doing that thing it can be great. But as you deviate from that thing there is an almost exponential increase in difficulty trying to make it work. I personally dislike frameworks as most of them tend to give you a lot of rope, allow you to to tie knots very quickly and help you up on to the gallows with shiny buttons. They tend to encourage bad architecture design patterns while emphasizing language semantics and details. Hearing developers get hot and bothered about cool programming models a particular framework encourages is a lot like seeing people get excited about the shiny brass on the Titanic. That is _not_ to say that code-reuse is bad or that you should always invent the wheel yourself but usually frameworks go to far without going far enough (meaning the whole architecture not just language constructs). I'm a BIG fan of libraries and components and code generators.. anything to help you get the job done more efficiently. [looks around].... how'd I end up on this soap box?.. [quickly steps down] matt donohue wrote: > Just my opinion! Larry can sell you on merits. > I think frameworks like Drupal are designed to minimize what a developer can do and I prefer a more flexible, smaller framework that empowers. > It's generally a sign the company does not value (or trust) developers and would rather swap them in like sparkplugs. Probably for good reasons! > Also- any code in a database is a deal-breaker for me. If you like developing in web forms then have at it. > > I also read a good article once about 'green' development which states the case that heavy frameworks or declarative languages like Ruby are pretty wasteful enviroment wise. CPU's = heat, heat = cooling, cooling = wasted energy. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Janine Starykowicz <jr...@ba...> > To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:47:53 PM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] PHP / Magento Job > > matt donohue wrote: >> It would help if the following occured more often: >> Drupal? Sorry- No thanks. >> > > Can you explain why to a relative newbie who is considering Drupal? > > Janine > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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