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From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-05-11 16:17:15
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V 2.4.3 of Bodington now released with oracle bug fix. =20 adam =20 -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)=20 _____ =20 From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...]=20 Sent: 11 May 2005 17:02 To: Andrew Booth; 'Sean Mehan'; Adam Marshall Subject: Fwd: Bodington bugs and help =20 bod::gx.addMember() Alistair Begin forwarded message: From: "Scott, John R" <jr...@es...> Date: 11 May 2005 17:00:07 BST To: "Alistair Young" <ali...@sm...> Subject: RE: Bodington bugs and help Alistair, It worked! I can now get access to the Guanxi presentation. Thanks for = all your help with this. It's very much appreciated. Sorry going to have to dash now to collect my car from the garage before = it closes otherwise I'll have a long walk home! Thanks again. John -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...] Sent: 11 May 2005 16:53 To: Scott, John R Subject: Re: Bodington bugs and help try that now John - though I suspect it won't work as your cert wont match BodGuanxi-2089334802 anymore - do you have a cert to go with BodGuanxi-2089334802? Alistair On 11 May 2005, at 16:46, Scott, John R wrote: Alistair, I think this was my fault as I created a keystore when I got tomcat working and so BodGuanxi-2089334802 appears at the end of the idp.xml file. I have left it as is and attached it. John -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...] Sent: 11 May 2005 16:37 To: Scott, John R Subject: Re: Bodington bugs and help you sent me this: BodGuanxi-1283450654 but your system is sending as: BodGuanxi-2089334802 your metadata is wrong - send me the shibboleth.xml snippet and cert or change them at your end to be what your sent a minute ago - and restart your tomcat. Alistair On 11 May 2005, at 16:34, Scott, John R wrote: Alistair, I am logged in locally as sysadmin but get the following message when go via your WAYF. I presume there is something wrong at my end? Inter-institutional Access System Failure The inter-institutional access system experienced a technical failure at Wed May 11 16:32:46 2005 An error occurred at your identity provider while processing your request Otherwise, please contact the application's administrator at uh...@sm.... Please include the following error message in any email: SHIRE failure at (https://www.guanxi.uhi.ac.uk/Shibboleth.shire) Exception: metadata error: ShibPOSTProfile::accept() metadata lookup failed, unable to process assertion John -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...] Sent: 11 May 2005 16:31 To: Scott, John R Subject: Re: Bodington bugs and help oops! fixed - give it a try now John Alistair On 11 May 2005, at 16:20, Scott, John R wrote: Alistair, I think the WAYF is still pointing to chimera91 rather than chimeraweb. John -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...] Sent: 11 May 2005 16:17 To: Scott, John R Subject: Re: Bodington bugs and help John, point your browser to: http://www.guanxi.uhi.ac.uk/shibb/bod/ Choose "Test Server, University of Essex" from the WAYF page. If you login to your Bodington first, then go to the url above, you won't have to login again. let me know how you get on. cheers, Alistair On 11 May 2005, at 16:05, Scott, John R wrote: Alistair, Info for the shibboleth.xml file is: Origin Site name : BodGuanxi-1283450654 Handle Service location: http://chimeraweb.essex.ac.uk:8000/bodington/guanxi/SSO Attribute Authority Location: http://chimeraweb.essex.ac.uk:8000/bodington/guanxi/AA Domain: essex.ac.uk I have attached the certificate. Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...] Sent: 11 May 2005 15:53 To: Scott, John R Subject: Re: Bodington bugs and help good stuff - can your resend me your shibboleth.xml snippet and guanxi_idp_cert.txt ta, Alistair On 11 May 2005, at 15:08, Scott, John R wrote: Alistair, I have set up Tomcat for SSL and removed the IP filtering from Tomcat so you should be able to get through now. John -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...] Sent: 10 May 2005 14:57 To: Scott, John R Subject: Re: Bodington bugs and help John, You have to create the user password tool from the list of resources. The dev team are looking into creating this be default at installation. If you don't have a keystore, when you first go to https://chimeraweb.essex.ac.uk:8443/bodington/guanxi/SSO, a default keystore will be created with random keys and passwords. This tells you how to set up Tomcat for SSL. It's quite easy really: http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/ssl-howto.html cheers, Alistair On 10 May 2005, at 14:53, Scott, John R wrote: Alistair, I couldn't seem to find this. I went to User Administration for System Administration zone but can't see anything there. I've not used Tomcat with SSL before. In the documentation it talks about setting up a keystore. Do I need to do this or can I use the Guanxi one and get Tomcat to point to it? Sorry for the perhaps ignorant questions on my part. I'll get port 8443 opened and be in touch when its done. John -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...] Sent: 10 May 2005 14:44 To: Scott, John R Subject: Re: Bodington bugs and help John, to change the sysadmin password: as sysadmin you can (create and) use the User Directory tool to reset any passwords to a random password of 6 characters; (create and) use the Personal Data Tool to change your own password to one of your choice Alistair On 10 May 2005, at 13:45, Scott, John R wrote: Alistair. I now have a Bodington system working that is accessible from outside the firewall. However I have limited access according to IP Address so if you could let me know the IP address/range I should enable I will do so. Port 443 isn't open though. Do I need to get this enabled aswell? The server is: http://chimeraweb.essex.ac.uk:8000/bodington/site I have attached the certificate. On a separate point do you know if there is a way from Bodington to change the default sysadmin password? Regards John -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...] Sent: 06 May 2005 13:56 To: Scott, John R Subject: Re: Bodington bugs and help You have to open your guanxi IdP through the firewall as our WAYF and SP will be talking to it. I can't help until I can see the server. Alistair On 6 May 2005, at 13:23, Scott, John R wrote: Alistair, Test server is fine. Should have said chimera91 is behind our firewall. Does it need to be accessible from outside to do this? I tried the URL and selected the home institution and clicked on authenticate. It came up with 'Page not found' for the following URL: http://chimera91.essex.ac.uk/bodington/guanxi/ <%=3D%20request.getParameter(Shibboleth.SHIRE)%20%> Regards John -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...] Sent: 06 May 2005 12:51 To: Scott, John R Subject: Re: Bodington bugs and help Hi John, I've added you to our WAYF as "Test server, University of Essex" - is this ok or would you prefer a different name? You can access: http://www.guanxi.uhi.ac.uk/shibb/bod.php I tried accessing http://chimera91.essex.ac.uk/bodington/guanxi/SSO but it didn't respond - is it down just now? cheers, Alistair On 6 May 2005, at 12:32, Scott, John R wrote: Alistair, Sorry for the delay in replying - combination of being out of the office and other things cropping up. I haven't changed the idp.xml that came with the install. Do I need to change the <issuer> element? Also I have left the bodingtonAttributorARP.xml the same and wondered if I needed to add ourselves as a provider name? The information for the shibboleth.xml file is therefore: Origin Site name : BodGuanxi-1283450654 (unless of course I need to change it) Handle Service location: http://chimera91.essex.ac.uk/bodington/guanxi/SSO Attribute Authority Location: I presume is http://chimera91.essex.ac.uk/bodington/guanxi/AA but not sure as nothing is displayed when access this location using browser. Domain: essex.ac.uk I have attached the certificate file. Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...] Sent: 03 May 2005 20:20 To: Scott, John R Cc: col...@co... Subject: RE: Bodington bugs and help Hi John, perhaps Colin can comment on the login page problem. The Guanxi loging page at: http://www.your.bodington.url/guanxi/SSO has no use unless it's contacted by an SP. If you see the login page ok, with username and password boxes then you're fine. It's also created a keystore for you. If you follow the instructions at: http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D71 under the "What Service Provider (SP) changes do you need to make?" heading and send me the XML extracts from your Bodington IdP, I can give you access to resources at UHI to let you see how it all works. Feel free to give me a phone on 01471 888343. Mid morning Wed, as I have to drop the car off at the garage! cheers, Alistair -- Alistair Young Senior Software Engineer UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig Isle of Skye Scotland Alistair and Colin, Thanks for your help. I don't know what I did before - perhaps I accidentally used an older war file. Probably down to Friday afternoon syndrome! I used the installer and it works in a fashion anyway. So I have Bodington working although I'm a bit confused when I access it. I'm using IE and it says 'You are about to view pages over a secure connection' whilst having the login page behind showing 'With encryption' and 'Without encryption' If I click on OK in the Security alert dialogue box it looks for bs_template_login_step1.html' and I get 'page cannot be displayed' If I close the Security alert box and click on 'Without encryption' it takes me through to the Bodington Login page. Can you explain what's going on here please? Also is there some way I can demo it to show people what an IdP looks like? Would I need to set up an second Bodington VLE? Do I need to develop an SP? Finally Alistair the Guanxi login page I presume is just to show that its working? Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: Alistair Young [mailto:ali...@sm...] Sent: 02 May 2005 09:54 To: col...@co... Cc: Scott, John R Subject: Re: Bodington bugs and help Hi folks, I downloaded bodington_war-2.4.2.zip and bodington_installer-2.4.2.jar from sourceforge and they both have the /guanxi directory. Guanxi is shipped disabled by default, so you have to go into WEB-INF/web.xml and delete two lines marked: DELETE THIS LINE TO ENABLE Guanxi then restart tomcat. Details are then in /guanxi/bodhowto.html There's more info at: http://www.weblogs.uhi.ac.uk/sm00ay/?p=3D71 it's on my blog until I get time to put it on the Guanxi website. cheers, Alistair On 29 Apr 2005, at 18:20, Colin Tatham wrote: Yes, I would think so. (I've copied Alistair into this, he did all the Guanxi stuff). I would be worried though that something has gone wrong in your war deployment, which could result in other problems. Colin -----Original Message----- From: Scott, John R [mailto:jr...@es...] Sent: 29 April 2005 18:08 To: col...@co... Subject: {SPAM?} RE: {CONTENT} RE: Bodington bugs and help Thanks Colin. Yes it would be good to know why it can't find those files. Do you know if I can just copy the Guanxi directory that is missing into webapps\bodington? Sorry to be a nuisance. Your help is much appreciated. John Chimera Institute for Socio-Technical Innovation and Research University of Essex Ross Building pp1 Adastral Park Martlesham Heath Ipswich IP5 3RE Email: jr...@es... <mailto:jr...@es...> Mobile: 0771 001 0855 -----Original Message----- From: Colin Tatham [mailto:colin.tatham@computing- services.oxford.ac.uk] Sent: 29 April 2005 17:57 To: Scott, John R Subject: {CONTENT} RE: Bodington bugs and help Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed Warning: (not named). Warning: Please read the "ArchivedEmail.txt" attachment(s) for more information. Hi John It sounds to me like you've successfully installed it via the war file route, and you don't need to use the jar file installer. (To install via the jar you need to execute java -jar <jar-filename>. It will then take you through some command line instructions.) The jar file installer unpacks it's contents into the structure that you should see in the war (different to what you'd see if you 'unzipped' the jar file...) I'll have a think about the 'Page not found' problem now... Colin -----Original Message----- From: Scott, John R [mailto:jr...@es...] Sent: 29 April 2005 17:45 To: col...@co... Subject: RE: Bodington bugs and help Colin, Sorry but I wasn't sure how to install it using the installer jar file. Could you tell me please? I note that if I unzip it then it contains a bodington.zip file. When this is unzipped it contains the Guanxi directory (which I'm interested in) but when tomcat expands the bodington.war the Guanxi directory doesn't appear to be there. So do I need to use the installer? Also once I have bodington up and go to login when I choose without encryption I get 'Page not found'. John Chimera Institute for Socio-Technical Innovation and Research University of Essex Ross Building pp1 Adastral Park Martlesham Heath Ipswich IP5 3RE Email: jr...@es... <mailto:jr...@es...> Mobile: 0771 001 0855 -----Original Message----- From: Colin Tatham [mailto:colin.tatham@computing- services.oxford.ac.uk] Sent: 29 April 2005 17:25 To: Scott, John R Cc: 'Adam Marshall' Subject: Bodington bugs and help Hi John | Should I email you directly or is their a central address that I send | to? For help with Bodington installation questions, etc you could join the Bodington developers mailing list: http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ bodington- developers or you can use the enquiries address, and your queries will be forwarded, like this one! (Feel free to mail us individually too, if you prefer.) You can also report bugs on the SourceForge site, but at the moment you need to have a SourceForge account to do that. | Could you just answer what is perhaps an ignorant question from me | please? I installed Bodington by dropping the .war file in the tomcat | directory and then starting it up. However on SourceForge there is an | installer jar file which I wasn't sure about how I should use. There are currently 2 installation routes, the war file and the installer jar. We intend removing the installer jar route in the near future, but at this stage you can use either one. Colin Colin Tatham VLE Team Oxford University Computing Services 13 Banbury Rd Oxford OX2 6NN Tel: (01865)283660 =20 <guanxi_idp_cert.txt> <guanxi_idp_cert.txt> =20 <guanxi_idp_cert.txt> =20 <idp.xml> |
From: Matthew B. <mat...@co...> - 2005-05-11 13:04:27
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Here at Oxford we have removed the last separator from the top frame to show more clearly that the title is associated with the last icon. Is this something that people would like back on Bodington HEAD? -- +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-05-11 11:22:20
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http://bodington.org/index.html no longer works! Could it be fixed please. -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) |
From: Matthew B. <mat...@co...> - 2005-05-11 11:19:51
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Matthew Buckett wrote: > Both these classes are unused in Bodington (SoftCache replaces them) and > I'd like to suggest that they are removed from HEAD. I've removed both of these from HEAD. -- +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-05-11 11:10:57
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Are we not biting off too much here for 2.6? We're on a tight timescale already?? adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young | Sent: 11 May 2005 11:30 | To: Matthew Buckett | Cc: Bodington Developers | Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Resource localisation code - in or | out? | | > In its current state I don't think it is ready to go into a released | > version | what sort of probs do you see with it Mathew? I can't really see how it | can be improved without radically altering the db schema. As it is, the | only alteration is the on-the-fly creation of language specific | big_strings tables. | | There was talk earlier of pulling all strings out of big_strings for | mass translation to save time but that can't happen now as big_strings | is a dump for all strings, not just system ones. | | Alistair | | | On 11 May 2005, at 10:57, Matthew Buckett wrote: | | > Alistair Young wrote: | >> ok folks, vote time again. | >> org.bodington.i18n handles template localisation, though it also | >> handles | >> Resource localisation too. | >> There's unease about Resource localisation, so should the code come | >> out, | >> or stay and allow people who want to translate Resources to do so? | > | > If you think you can improve it then I'm not completely against it in | > the short term. | > | >> Removing it won't affect template localisation. | > | > Cool. | > | >> i18n was always going to be a pig to retrofit and the tools aren't | >> covered | >> by it. The most important one I can think of is the questionnaire | >> tool, | >> which can't be localised. | > | > I wonder if this might be the tip of the iceberg? The messaging room | > also uses BigStrings to store the posted messages. | > | >> The obvious gain from removing it is the db schema stays the same. The | >> loss is you can't localise Resources. This could lead to the case | >> where a | >> help building, for instance, has many physically separate localised | >> instances, rather than just one. | > | > My concern is that if it went into a release we would then have to | > support it in future versions. | > | >> Resource 1i8n code - in or out? | > | > -1 | > | > Although I am happy for it to stay in while it is worked on and | > improved. In its current state I don't think it is ready to go into a | > released version. | > | > -- | > +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | > | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | > | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | | > +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ | > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- | > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes | > Want to be the first software developer in space? | > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! | > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click | > _______________________________________________ | > Bodington-developers mailing list | > Bod...@li... | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | | | | ------------------------------------------------------- | This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes | Want to be the first software developer in space? | Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! | http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-05-11 11:02:14
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Could we delay the resource gubbins and revist at the next dev meet. adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated)=20 | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... = [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Colin Tatham | Sent: 11 May 2005 10:15 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Resource localisation code - in or | out? |=20 |=20 | Guess I'd better stick to my guns and say -2. | Sorry to sound unsupportive, I'm not -- it's just that I think we = should | avoid adding any features that could possibly change in the near = future, | leaving us stuck with the legacy and support. Sounds like there are = some | issues still, like the tools. |=20 | I'm keen to get involved with resolving the issue for a future = version, if | that helps... |=20 | Colin |=20 | ____________________________________ | Colin Tatham | VLE Team | Oxford University Computing Services | www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ | www.bodington.org |=20 |=20 | > -----Original Message----- | > From: bod...@li... | > [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf = Of | > Alistair Young | > Sent: 10 May 2005 20:43 | > To: bod...@li... | > Subject: [Bodington-developers] Resource localisation code - | > in or out? | > | > | > ok folks, vote time again. | > | > org.bodington.i18n handles template localisation, though it | > also handles | > Resource localisation too. | > | > There's unease about Resource localisation, so should the | > code come out, | > or stay and allow people who want to translate Resources to do so? | > Removing it won't affect template localisation. | > | > i18n was always going to be a pig to retrofit and the tools | > aren't covered | > by it. The most important one I can think of is the | > questionnaire tool, | > which can't be localised. | > | > Facility hasn't been touched as it's a massive effort | > requiring all hands | > on deck. | > | > The obvious gain from removing it is the db schema stays the same. = The | > loss is you can't localise Resources. This could lead to the | > case where a | > help building, for instance, has many physically separate localised | > instances, rather than just one. | > | > Resource 1i8n code - in or out? | > | > in++ | > | > Alistair | > | > | > -- | > Alistair Young | > Senior Software Engineer | > UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig | > Isle of Skye | > Scotland | > | > | > | > | > ------------------------------------------------------- | > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes | > Want to be the first software developer in space? | > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! | > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ids93&alloc_id=16281&op=3Dick | > _______________________________________________ | > Bodington-developers mailing list | > Bod...@li... | > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers | > |=20 |=20 |=20 | ------------------------------------------------------- | This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes | Want to be the first software developer in space? | Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! | http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7393&alloc_id=3D16281&op=3Dclick | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Matthew B. <mat...@co...> - 2005-05-11 10:53:38
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Alistair Young wrote: >> In its current state I don't think it is ready to go into a released >> version > > what sort of probs do you see with it Mathew? I can't really see how it > can be improved without radically altering the db schema. How would you implement it if you were to change the DB schema? > As it is, the > only alteration is the on-the-fly creation of language specific > big_strings tables. I see the synchronization problems between languages when one language changes. The problems might occur with some resources that use big strings for user data. > There was talk earlier of pulling all strings out of big_strings for > mass translation to save time but that can't happen now as big_strings > is a dump for all strings, not just system ones. I wasn't aware of this. Did you imagine this being done after a clean install? -- +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ |
From: Colin T. <col...@co...> - 2005-05-11 10:50:53
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> No, I meant if the current code/solution changes, because it's not > completely finished. I meant (I meant) *if* it's not completely finshed :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of > Colin Tatham > Sent: 11 May 2005 11:43 > To: bod...@li... > Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] Resource localisation code - in or > out? > > > > > adding any features that could possibly change in the near future > > I hadn't planned on changing it once it was there - is something > > different in the pipeline, other than tetra? > > No, I meant if the current code/solution changes, because it's not > completely finished. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bod...@li... > > [mailto:bod...@li...]On > Behalf Of > > Alistair Young > > Sent: 11 May 2005 11:17 > > To: col...@co... > > Cc: bod...@li... > > Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Resource localisation > code - in or > > out? > > > > > > > Sorry to sound unsupportive > > not at all! constructive criticism I like :) > > > > > adding any features that could possibly change in the near future > > I hadn't planned on changing it once it was there - is something > > different in the pipeline, other than tetra? > > > > Alistair > > > > > > On 11 May 2005, at 10:14, Colin Tatham wrote: > > > > > > > > Guess I'd better stick to my guns and say -2. > > > Sorry to sound unsupportive, I'm not -- it's just that I think we > > > should > > > avoid adding any features that could possibly change in the near > > > future, > > > leaving us stuck with the legacy and support. Sounds like > there are > > > some > > > issues still, like the tools. > > > > > > I'm keen to get involved with resolving the issue for a future > > > version, if > > > that helps... > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > Colin Tatham > > > VLE Team > > > Oxford University Computing Services > > > www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ > > > www.bodington.org > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: bod...@li... > > >> > > [mailto:bod...@li...]On > Behalf Of > > >> Alistair Young > > >> Sent: 10 May 2005 20:43 > > >> To: bod...@li... > > >> Subject: [Bodington-developers] Resource localisation code - > > >> in or out? > > >> > > >> > > >> ok folks, vote time again. > > >> > > >> org.bodington.i18n handles template localisation, though it > > >> also handles > > >> Resource localisation too. > > >> > > >> There's unease about Resource localisation, so should the > > >> code come out, > > >> or stay and allow people who want to translate Resources > to do so? > > >> Removing it won't affect template localisation. > > >> > > >> i18n was always going to be a pig to retrofit and the tools > > >> aren't covered > > >> by it. The most important one I can think of is the > > >> questionnaire tool, > > >> which can't be localised. > > >> > > >> Facility hasn't been touched as it's a massive effort > > >> requiring all hands > > >> on deck. > > >> > > >> The obvious gain from removing it is the db schema stays > > the same. The > > >> loss is you can't localise Resources. This could lead to the > > >> case where a > > >> help building, for instance, has many physically > separate localised > > >> instances, rather than just one. > > >> > > >> Resource 1i8n code - in or out? > > >> > > >> in++ > > >> > > >> Alistair > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Alistair Young > > >> Senior Software Engineer > > >> UHI@Sabhal Mòr Ostaig > > >> Isle of Skye > > >> Scotland > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > > >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > > >> Want to be the first software developer in space? > > >> Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > > >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ids93&alloc_id281&op=ick > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Bodington-developers mailing list > > >> Bod...@li... > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > > > Want to be the first software developer in space? > > > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Bodington-developers mailing list > > > Bod...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > > Want to be the first software developer in space? > > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ids93&alloc_id281&op=ick > > _______________________________________________ > > Bodington-developers mailing list > > Bod...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > Want to be the first software developer in space? > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
From: Colin T. <col...@co...> - 2005-05-11 10:43:20
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> > adding any features that could possibly change in the near future > I hadn't planned on changing it once it was there - is something > different in the pipeline, other than tetra? No, I meant if the current code/solution changes, because it's not completely finished. > -----Original Message----- > From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of > Alistair Young > Sent: 11 May 2005 11:17 > To: col...@co... > Cc: bod...@li... > Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] Resource localisation code - in or > out? > > > > Sorry to sound unsupportive > not at all! constructive criticism I like :) > > > adding any features that could possibly change in the near future > I hadn't planned on changing it once it was there - is something > different in the pipeline, other than tetra? > > Alistair > > > On 11 May 2005, at 10:14, Colin Tatham wrote: > > > > > Guess I'd better stick to my guns and say -2. > > Sorry to sound unsupportive, I'm not -- it's just that I think we > > should > > avoid adding any features that could possibly change in the near > > future, > > leaving us stuck with the legacy and support. Sounds like there are > > some > > issues still, like the tools. > > > > I'm keen to get involved with resolving the issue for a future > > version, if > > that helps... > > > > Colin > > > > ____________________________________ > > Colin Tatham > > VLE Team > > Oxford University Computing Services > > www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ > > www.bodington.org > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: bod...@li... > >> > [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of > >> Alistair Young > >> Sent: 10 May 2005 20:43 > >> To: bod...@li... > >> Subject: [Bodington-developers] Resource localisation code - > >> in or out? > >> > >> > >> ok folks, vote time again. > >> > >> org.bodington.i18n handles template localisation, though it > >> also handles > >> Resource localisation too. > >> > >> There's unease about Resource localisation, so should the > >> code come out, > >> or stay and allow people who want to translate Resources to do so? > >> Removing it won't affect template localisation. > >> > >> i18n was always going to be a pig to retrofit and the tools > >> aren't covered > >> by it. The most important one I can think of is the > >> questionnaire tool, > >> which can't be localised. > >> > >> Facility hasn't been touched as it's a massive effort > >> requiring all hands > >> on deck. > >> > >> The obvious gain from removing it is the db schema stays > the same. The > >> loss is you can't localise Resources. This could lead to the > >> case where a > >> help building, for instance, has many physically separate localised > >> instances, rather than just one. > >> > >> Resource 1i8n code - in or out? > >> > >> in++ > >> > >> Alistair > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Alistair Young > >> Senior Software Engineer > >> UHI@Sabhal Mòr Ostaig > >> Isle of Skye > >> Scotland > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > >> Want to be the first software developer in space? > >> Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ids93&alloc_id281&op=ick > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bodington-developers mailing list > >> Bod...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > > Want to be the first software developer in space? > > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > Bodington-developers mailing list > > Bod...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > Want to be the first software developer in space? > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ids93&alloc_id281&op=ick > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2005-05-11 10:30:34
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> In its current state I don't think it is ready to go into a released > version what sort of probs do you see with it Mathew? I can't really see how it can be improved without radically altering the db schema. As it is, the only alteration is the on-the-fly creation of language specific big_strings tables. There was talk earlier of pulling all strings out of big_strings for mass translation to save time but that can't happen now as big_strings is a dump for all strings, not just system ones. Alistair On 11 May 2005, at 10:57, Matthew Buckett wrote: > Alistair Young wrote: >> ok folks, vote time again. >> org.bodington.i18n handles template localisation, though it also >> handles >> Resource localisation too. >> There's unease about Resource localisation, so should the code come >> out, >> or stay and allow people who want to translate Resources to do so? > > If you think you can improve it then I'm not completely against it in > the short term. > >> Removing it won't affect template localisation. > > Cool. > >> i18n was always going to be a pig to retrofit and the tools aren't >> covered >> by it. The most important one I can think of is the questionnaire >> tool, >> which can't be localised. > > I wonder if this might be the tip of the iceberg? The messaging room > also uses BigStrings to store the posted messages. > >> The obvious gain from removing it is the db schema stays the same. The >> loss is you can't localise Resources. This could lead to the case >> where a >> help building, for instance, has many physically separate localised >> instances, rather than just one. > > My concern is that if it went into a release we would then have to > support it in future versions. > >> Resource 1i8n code - in or out? > > -1 > > Although I am happy for it to stay in while it is worked on and > improved. In its current state I don't think it is ready to go into a > released version. > > -- > +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ > | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | > | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | > +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > Want to be the first software developer in space? > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2005-05-11 10:16:53
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> Sorry to sound unsupportive not at all! constructive criticism I like :) > adding any features that could possibly change in the near future I hadn't planned on changing it once it was there - is something=20 different in the pipeline, other than tetra? Alistair On 11 May 2005, at 10:14, Colin Tatham wrote: > > Guess I'd better stick to my guns and say -2. > Sorry to sound unsupportive, I'm not -- it's just that I think we=20 > should > avoid adding any features that could possibly change in the near=20 > future, > leaving us stuck with the legacy and support. Sounds like there are=20 > some > issues still, like the tools. > > I'm keen to get involved with resolving the issue for a future=20 > version, if > that helps... > > Colin > > ____________________________________ > Colin Tatham > VLE Team > Oxford University Computing Services > www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ > www.bodington.org > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bod...@li... >> [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of >> Alistair Young >> Sent: 10 May 2005 20:43 >> To: bod...@li... >> Subject: [Bodington-developers] Resource localisation code - >> in or out? >> >> >> ok folks, vote time again. >> >> org.bodington.i18n handles template localisation, though it >> also handles >> Resource localisation too. >> >> There's unease about Resource localisation, so should the >> code come out, >> or stay and allow people who want to translate Resources to do so? >> Removing it won't affect template localisation. >> >> i18n was always going to be a pig to retrofit and the tools >> aren't covered >> by it. The most important one I can think of is the >> questionnaire tool, >> which can't be localised. >> >> Facility hasn't been touched as it's a massive effort >> requiring all hands >> on deck. >> >> The obvious gain from removing it is the db schema stays the same. = The >> loss is you can't localise Resources. This could lead to the >> case where a >> help building, for instance, has many physically separate localised >> instances, rather than just one. >> >> Resource 1i8n code - in or out? >> >> in++ >> >> Alistair >> >> >> -- >> Alistair Young >> Senior Software Engineer >> UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig >> Isle of Skye >> Scotland >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes >> Want to be the first software developer in space? >> Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ids93&alloc_id=16281&op=3Dick >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > Want to be the first software developer in space? > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7393&alloc_id=3D16281&op=3Dclick > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Matthew B. <mat...@co...> - 2005-05-11 09:57:56
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Alistair Young wrote: > ok folks, vote time again. > > org.bodington.i18n handles template localisation, though it also handles > Resource localisation too. > > There's unease about Resource localisation, so should the code come out, > or stay and allow people who want to translate Resources to do so? If you think you can improve it then I'm not completely against it in the short term. > Removing it won't affect template localisation. Cool. > i18n was always going to be a pig to retrofit and the tools aren't covered > by it. The most important one I can think of is the questionnaire tool, > which can't be localised. I wonder if this might be the tip of the iceberg? The messaging room also uses BigStrings to store the posted messages. > The obvious gain from removing it is the db schema stays the same. The > loss is you can't localise Resources. This could lead to the case where a > help building, for instance, has many physically separate localised > instances, rather than just one. My concern is that if it went into a release we would then have to support it in future versions. > Resource 1i8n code - in or out? -1 Although I am happy for it to stay in while it is worked on and improved. In its current state I don't think it is ready to go into a released version. -- +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-05-11 09:32:05
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Just found this from the esteemed Mr Crowther, this is the work he has done for SPWS - we will look to integrate this in time for 2.8: Major areas of refactoring are org.bodington.logbook.servlet.*Renderer, and corresponding code has been removed from LogBookFacility (in the same directory). There's a certain amount of new code in org.bodington.logbook.server.LogBookSession and LogBookSessionImpl - look for the bits in LogBook Session that actually have Javadoc and you've pretty much got my code! I've also made modifications to LogBookQuestion and LogBookSection in the same package, and *Hierarchy are new classes that use the existing persistence framework. Finally, LogBookQtiImporter is completely new. -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) |
From: Colin T. <col...@co...> - 2005-05-11 09:14:49
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Guess I'd better stick to my guns and say -2. Sorry to sound unsupportive, I'm not -- it's just that I think we should avoid adding any features that could possibly change in the near future, leaving us stuck with the legacy and support. Sounds like there are some issues still, like the tools. I'm keen to get involved with resolving the issue for a future version, if that helps... Colin ____________________________________ Colin Tatham VLE Team Oxford University Computing Services www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ltg/vle/ www.bodington.org > -----Original Message----- > From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of > Alistair Young > Sent: 10 May 2005 20:43 > To: bod...@li... > Subject: [Bodington-developers] Resource localisation code - > in or out? > > > ok folks, vote time again. > > org.bodington.i18n handles template localisation, though it > also handles > Resource localisation too. > > There's unease about Resource localisation, so should the > code come out, > or stay and allow people who want to translate Resources to do so? > Removing it won't affect template localisation. > > i18n was always going to be a pig to retrofit and the tools > aren't covered > by it. The most important one I can think of is the > questionnaire tool, > which can't be localised. > > Facility hasn't been touched as it's a massive effort > requiring all hands > on deck. > > The obvious gain from removing it is the db schema stays the same. The > loss is you can't localise Resources. This could lead to the > case where a > help building, for instance, has many physically separate localised > instances, rather than just one. > > Resource 1i8n code - in or out? > > in++ > > Alistair > > > -- > Alistair Young > Senior Software Engineer > UHI@Sabhal Mòr Ostaig > Isle of Skye > Scotland > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > Want to be the first software developer in space? > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ids93&alloc_id281&op=ick > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
From: <mic...@bo...> - 2005-05-11 08:49:03
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I believe it was you whom mention it initaily... ;-) Big Al: "Can we start a wishlist for Tetra or whatever is coming? I have two:" mic...@bo... |
From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2005-05-10 19:42:47
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ok folks, vote time again. org.bodington.i18n handles template localisation, though it also handles Resource localisation too. There's unease about Resource localisation, so should the code come out, or stay and allow people who want to translate Resources to do so? Removing it won't affect template localisation. i18n was always going to be a pig to retrofit and the tools aren't covere= d by it. The most important one I can think of is the questionnaire tool, which can't be localised. Facility hasn't been touched as it's a massive effort requiring all hands on deck. The obvious gain from removing it is the db schema stays the same. The loss is you can't localise Resources. This could lead to the case where a help building, for instance, has many physically separate localised instances, rather than just one. Resource 1i8n code - in or out? in++ Alistair --=20 Alistair Young Senior Software Engineer UHI@Sabhal M=F2r Ostaig Isle of Skye Scotland |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-05-10 16:11:02
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Bod 2 wish list is definitely a good idea. Why not use the feature request area of source forge? I say hold off on tetra or at least do not have a tetra forum on source forge this will confuse the issue. I say we keep Tetra under wraps until we have a definite plan. adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of | mic...@bo... | Sent: 10 May 2005 11:58 | To: bod...@li... | Subject: [Bodington-developers] Wish List for new bod / Tetra? | | The wish list for the next bod/Tetra needs to be captured, so we don't | have to trawl through the mailing list history. | Maybe one method of capturing the dev/users/etc... wishes, could be to | set up a 'bod/Tetra Wish List' forum on SF? | | Any other ideas are welcome. | | -- | mic...@bo... | | | | ------------------------------------------------------- | This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes | Want to be the first software developer in space? | Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! | http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Matthew B. <mat...@co...> - 2005-05-10 15:46:45
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In a tidy up of the java files in the Bodington repository I've added the Bodington License to the ones that it was missing from (55), all prompted by a nudge from Alexis. NB: I also removed the cvs log tokens that were in some files and weren't consistent with other bodington files. -- +--Matthew Buckett-----------------------------------------+ | VLE Developer, Learning Technologies Group | | Tel: +44 (0) 1865 283660 http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ | +------------Computing Services, University of Oxford------+ |
From: Adam M. <ada...@co...> - 2005-05-10 15:14:57
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We are going to work on the questionnaires sometime after the 21st may (whilst we're waiting for the look and feel and templates to be done. I will add the issues you raise to the task list - it may be that we don't do anything but at least we'll have a look. adam -- Adam Marshall: OUCS, 13, Banbury Rd. Oxford OX2 6NN. Shameless plug: Use the Bodington VLE http://bodington.org Blog: http://ramble.oucs.ox.ac.uk/blog/adamm/ Cheese of the month: Cheshire (not to be underestimated) | -----Original Message----- | From: bod...@li... [mailto:bodington- | dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Alistair Young | Sent: 10 May 2005 10:35 | To: Bodington Developers | Subject: [Bodington-developers] Localisation issue | | On my travels in qLand I found a potential problem with localisation. | Questionnaire responses are stored in the big_strings table. I thought | big_strings was for system entites, such as Resources, rather than user | submitted data. Localising big_strings en masse via db extract and | translator is now much more complicated. | | Can we start a wishlist for Tetra or whatever is coming? I have two: | | DB questionnaire numbering to match user questionnaire numbering | User submitted text to go in user submissions tables | | Alistair | | | | ------------------------------------------------------- | This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes | Want to be the first software developer in space? | Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! | http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click | _______________________________________________ | Bodington-developers mailing list | Bod...@li... | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Andrew B. <a.g...@le...> - 2005-05-10 13:49:08
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Yes, it took me quite a while to realise that it isn't created at installation. Aggie -----Original Message----- From: bod...@li... [mailto:bod...@li...] On Behalf Of = Colin Tatham Sent: 10 May 2005 14:44 To: 'Bodington Developers' Subject: RE: [Bodington-developers] sysadmin password A Personal Data Tool should really be created during Bod installation, methinks... > -----Original Message----- > From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of > Paul Trafford > Sent: 10 May 2005 14:37 > To: Alistair Young > Cc: Bodington Developers > Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] sysadmin password > > > Yes, as sysadmin you can (create and) use the User Directory > tool to reset > any passwords to a random password of 6 characters; (create > and) use the > Personal Data Tool to change your own password to one of your choice. > > - Paul > > At 14:34 10/05/2005, Alistair Young wrote: > >but how does a user change it? is there a resource/page for > doing so? I > >have a user asking and I've no idea! > > > >Alistair > > > >On 10 May 2005, at 14:33, Paul Trafford wrote: > > > >>Like all other passwords, the sysadmin password is in the > pass_phrases > >>table (in pass_phrase column). > >> > >>- Paul > >> > >>At 14:25 10/05/2005, Alistair Young wrote: > >>>anyone know how to change the sysadmin password? > >>> > >>>With bod becoming an IdP this could be a security hole, having the > >>>sysadmin password a default that everyone knows. You can > choose a kown > >>>bodington IdP from a WAYF and login as sysadmin. The > cookie isn't set > >>>from gx though so you couldn't technically get in as sysadmin. > >>> > >>>next version, do you think the installer/SetupServlet > should generate a > >>>random password? > >>> > >>>Alistair > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------- > >>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > >>>Want to be the first software developer in space? > >>>Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > >>>http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7393&alloc_id=3D16281&op=3Dclick > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Bodington-developers mailing list > >>>Bod...@li... > >>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > >>></x-flowed> > > > ></x-flowed> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > Want to be the first software developer in space? > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7393&alloc_id=3D16281&op=3Dclick > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7393&alloc_id=3D16281&op=3Dclick _______________________________________________ Bodington-developers mailing list Bod...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers |
From: Colin T. <col...@co...> - 2005-05-10 13:44:16
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A Personal Data Tool should really be created during Bod installation, methinks... > -----Original Message----- > From: bod...@li... > [mailto:bod...@li...]On Behalf Of > Paul Trafford > Sent: 10 May 2005 14:37 > To: Alistair Young > Cc: Bodington Developers > Subject: Re: [Bodington-developers] sysadmin password > > > Yes, as sysadmin you can (create and) use the User Directory > tool to reset > any passwords to a random password of 6 characters; (create > and) use the > Personal Data Tool to change your own password to one of your choice. > > - Paul > > At 14:34 10/05/2005, Alistair Young wrote: > >but how does a user change it? is there a resource/page for > doing so? I > >have a user asking and I've no idea! > > > >Alistair > > > >On 10 May 2005, at 14:33, Paul Trafford wrote: > > > >>Like all other passwords, the sysadmin password is in the > pass_phrases > >>table (in pass_phrase column). > >> > >>- Paul > >> > >>At 14:25 10/05/2005, Alistair Young wrote: > >>>anyone know how to change the sysadmin password? > >>> > >>>With bod becoming an IdP this could be a security hole, having the > >>>sysadmin password a default that everyone knows. You can > choose a kown > >>>bodington IdP from a WAYF and login as sysadmin. The > cookie isn't set > >>>from gx though so you couldn't technically get in as sysadmin. > >>> > >>>next version, do you think the installer/SetupServlet > should generate a > >>>random password? > >>> > >>>Alistair > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------- > >>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > >>>Want to be the first software developer in space? > >>>Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > >>>http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Bodington-developers mailing list > >>>Bod...@li... > >>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > >>></x-flowed> > > > ></x-flowed> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > Want to be the first software developer in space? > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Bodington-developers mailing list > Bod...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers > |
From: Paul T. <pau...@co...> - 2005-05-10 13:37:18
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Yes, as sysadmin you can (create and) use the User Directory tool to reset any passwords to a random password of 6 characters; (create and) use the Personal Data Tool to change your own password to one of your choice. - Paul At 14:34 10/05/2005, Alistair Young wrote: >but how does a user change it? is there a resource/page for doing so? I >have a user asking and I've no idea! > >Alistair > >On 10 May 2005, at 14:33, Paul Trafford wrote: > >>Like all other passwords, the sysadmin password is in the pass_phrases >>table (in pass_phrase column). >> >>- Paul >> >>At 14:25 10/05/2005, Alistair Young wrote: >>>anyone know how to change the sysadmin password? >>> >>>With bod becoming an IdP this could be a security hole, having the >>>sysadmin password a default that everyone knows. You can choose a kown >>>bodington IdP from a WAYF and login as sysadmin. The cookie isn't set >>>from gx though so you couldn't technically get in as sysadmin. >>> >>>next version, do you think the installer/SetupServlet should generate a >>>random password? >>> >>>Alistair >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------- >>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes >>>Want to be the first software developer in space? >>>Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! >>>http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Bodington-developers mailing list >>>Bod...@li... >>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers >>></x-flowed> > ></x-flowed> |
From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2005-05-10 13:34:41
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but how does a user change it? is there a resource/page for doing so? I have a user asking and I've no idea! Alistair On 10 May 2005, at 14:33, Paul Trafford wrote: > Like all other passwords, the sysadmin password is in the pass_phrases > table (in pass_phrase column). > > - Paul > > At 14:25 10/05/2005, Alistair Young wrote: >> anyone know how to change the sysadmin password? >> >> With bod becoming an IdP this could be a security hole, having the >> sysadmin password a default that everyone knows. You can choose a >> kown bodington IdP from a WAYF and login as sysadmin. The cookie >> isn't set from gx though so you couldn't technically get in as >> sysadmin. >> >> next version, do you think the installer/SetupServlet should generate >> a random password? >> >> Alistair >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes >> Want to be the first software developer in space? >> Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click >> _______________________________________________ >> Bodington-developers mailing list >> Bod...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers >> </x-flowed> > |
From: Paul T. <pau...@co...> - 2005-05-10 13:33:58
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Like all other passwords, the sysadmin password is in the pass_phrases table (in pass_phrase column). - Paul At 14:25 10/05/2005, Alistair Young wrote: >anyone know how to change the sysadmin password? > >With bod becoming an IdP this could be a security hole, having the >sysadmin password a default that everyone knows. You can choose a kown >bodington IdP from a WAYF and login as sysadmin. The cookie isn't set from >gx though so you couldn't technically get in as sysadmin. > >next version, do you think the installer/SetupServlet should generate a >random password? > >Alistair > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes >Want to be the first software developer in space? >Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! >http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393&alloc_id=16281&op=click >_______________________________________________ >Bodington-developers mailing list >Bod...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bodington-developers ></x-flowed> |
From: Alistair Y. <ali...@sm...> - 2005-05-10 13:25:11
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anyone know how to change the sysadmin password? With bod becoming an IdP this could be a security hole, having the sysadmin password a default that everyone knows. You can choose a kown bodington IdP from a WAYF and login as sysadmin. The cookie isn't set from gx though so you couldn't technically get in as sysadmin. next version, do you think the installer/SetupServlet should generate a random password? Alistair |