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Re: [Audacity-quality] Exporting audio files
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From: James C. <cr...@in...> - 2017-11-13 15:59:25
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On 11/13/2017 2:59 PM, Peter Sampson wrote: > @James - I have made all the textual and link edits for the switch from > "Save Other" to "Export" > > Apart, that is, from this problem page: > http://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man/Examples:_Exporting_audio_for_ringtones_and_IVR_messages > where I can (and did) edit the second example div but Cloudflare blocks me > from editing the first and the third > and I can't figure out why. > > I'm half-minded just to delete the page anyway - as most modern phones tend > to accept stereo MP3, AAC or > even WAV - as they all now tend to have large disk-space onboard. > > So all that remains now is the updating of the images and imagemaps for the > changed File Menu (I placed P1s for > those locations). Imagemap updated. The links should now be going direct to the File: Export page. Images updated. The updated images will appear when the cache expires. --James. > > Cheers, > Peter. > > > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Peter Sampson < > pet...@gm...> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 4:29 PM, James Crook <cr...@in...> wrote: >> >>> On 11/12/2017 4:14 PM, Peter Sampson wrote: >>> >>> Can I safely presume that this change ("Save Other" in the File Menu to >>> "Export") is set to remain for 2.2.1 >>> >>> Yes. >>> >> >> Thanks. >> >> And I do find myself preferring that when I'm on the Mac >> >> >> >>> - I can see it >>> in the commits and in the latest Mac nightly but not yet in Windows as we >>> have no recent nightly. >>> >>> I ask because in the Manual there are *many* occurrences if "Save Other" >>> that I need to get on dealing with >>> and I do not want to start that unless and until I am certain that this >>> change will stick. >>> >>> I will do the image updates for the file menu (4 images I think), and the >>> image map, but not today. >>> >> >> Thanks for that - much appreciated >> >> >> >>> >>> I was originally thinking that a DISPLAYTITLE could be used for the >>> existing pagehttp://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man/File_Menu:_Save_Other >>> >>> But maybe I should go for a proper rename - but a *lot* of pages link to >>> this page - anybody have any thoughts on this? >>> >>> Do a rename, with redirect, and then search and replace?? Then if the >>> rename page is orphan, remove it. >>> >> >> OK a rename it is then. >> >> I'll think carefully about a search&replace - but may end up doing it >> manually (I'm cautious about such changes) >> I have prepared myself a Word document as a plan for all the pages that >> reference the page >> >> >>> >>> Without a proper rename we will end up with many misleading strings (still >>> carrying "Save Other" in their page lnks) >>> in various places I'm thinking. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Peter Sampson <petersampsonaudacity@gmail. >>> com> <pet...@gm...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Once this change gets presented in Windows nightly I van get on with >>> updating the Manual for this. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Yesterday I was unaware that the & would make a difference to >>> translations, and changed it to "&Export" (16 hours ago) >>> Also, I thought that string freeze was scheduled for 10th. Is that not so? >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> On 9 November 2017 at 08:54, James Crook <cr...@in...> <cr...@in...> wrote: >>> >>> On 11/9/2017 8:53 AM, James Crook wrote: >>> >>> Given string consensus to change it, +1 to changing now, without the &. >>> --James. >>> >>> for 'string' I meant 'strong'. It is of course a string change. >>> >>> --James. >>> >>> >>> On 11/9/2017 1:36 AM, Cliff Scott wrote: >>> >>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> <pau...@gm...> >>> wrote: >>> >>> A bit of unscientific polling of the discussion group I manage: >>> >>> 33 votes against "Save Other" >>> 8 neutral >>> 7 in favor >>> >>> That seems like a large margin of preference for the old name. >>> >>> Must it be fixed in 2.2.1? Just changing the sub-menu name to >>> >>> "Export" >>> >>> may be done, and that string is already in the .pot files. However, >>> >>> we >>> >>> might want to put an accelerator in it with & which would add a >>> >>> string, and >>> >>> I would have to ask -translation for another minor update. >>> >>> Just my opinion, the sooner it is changed the better it is so people >>> don't get used to thinking Save Other then have to switch gears again >>> >>> to >>> >>> Export. >>> >>> Cliff >>> >>> >>> More ambitious menu reorganizations -- I'd punt that to 2.2.2. >>> >>> PRL >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Peter Sampson >>> <pet...@gm... <mailto:petersampsonaudacity@g <petersampsonaudacity@g> >>> >>> mail.com>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Peter Sampson >>> <pet...@gm... <mailto:petersampsonaudacity@g <petersampsonaudacity@g> >>> >>> mail.com>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Steve the Fiddle >>> <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...> <ste...@gm...>> wrote: >>> On 8 November 2017 at 16:17, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...<mailto:pau...@gm...> <pau...@gm...>> wrote: >>> >>> I'll go on record disliking "Save other," but that's only one voice. >>> >>> and just one voice from me too, hence the reason for raising the >>> >>> matter >>> >>> on-list. >>> >>> >>> In my production use of Audacity I find myself increasingly disliking >>> the two clicks to get to the Exports >>> and indeed, even now having to remember to use Save Other (a "Save" >>> command to make an "Export"). >>> >>> Firing up 2.1.3 again makes me long for the key Export commands >>> >>> (Audio, >>> >>> Multiple, Selected). >>> >>> In 2.2.0/2.2.1 I do not value the Export as MP3, Export as WAV and >>> Export as OGG, always using the >>> Export Audio. >>> >>> >>> But if we do keep these three (sub)commands then I strongly think >>> >>> that >>> >>> we should have pre-assigned shortcuts >>> for them - especially of they stay in a sub-menu. >>> >>> It is quite difficult to set shortcuts - and horrendously difficult >>> trying to find available unused ones. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> I see no reason not to pul at least Export Audio and Export Multiple >>> >>> to >>> >>> the top level of the File Menu and >>> replacing the !"Save Other" with "Export Other". >>> >>> This is my user-POV >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe Forum should decide, but maybe you get a biased sample, those >>> disliking the change more likely to say so. >>> >>> Most definitely so, but more than just "not liking the change". We >>> >>> are >>> >>> getting feedback that users are confused by the fact that they can't >>> find where / how to export. >>> >>> >>> We do have to remember, as you Steve used to point out to Gale, that >>> >>> a >>> >>> small no of posters on the Forum >>> is a *very* small sample of our user base. >>> >>> One of the posters today did ask about customizable menus - is that >>> still in your thinking James? >>> >>> Peter. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I do not require or prohibit this change. If someone decides to >>> >>> change >>> >>> it, >>> I hope you reuse an already internationalized string _("Export") so >>> .pot >>> doesn't need another update. >>> >>> Good point. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> PRL >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:13 AM, James Crook <cr...@in...<mailto:cr...@in...> <cr...@in...>> wrote: >>> >>> On 11/8/2017 3:50 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote: >>> >>> On 8 November 2017 at 15:40, James Crook <cr...@in...<mailto:cr...@in...> <cr...@in...>> wrote: >>> >>> Doer decides? You can change it - though perhaps formally get >>> Paul's OK >>> to >>> do it since he is (or will be) 2.2.1 RM? I care about the menus >>> being >>> much >>> better organised than they were, not about every single detail. >>> >>> And >>> >>> if >>> you >>> do change it, you'll be taking responsibility for all those >>> inexperienced >>> users who don't find how to 'Save' as wav! >>> >>> Sure, but we're a team, right? >>> We have some (admittedly limited) feedback, and I've cast my 2c. >>> >>> Yes I agree that the menu reorganisation is the more important >>> >>> (and >>> >>> much improved) part, so just talking details here. >>> >>> What do others think? "Save Other" or "Export" or something else? >>> Assuming that the rest of the File menu remains the same, I'm +1 >>> >>> for >>> >>> "Export" >>> >>> If we're voting I'm -1 on it changing from "Save Other" - but if it >>> were >>> just us two voting and no one else, then I think it should >>> >>> change. I >>> >>> think >>> I am right in my choice, but I don't think you are terribly >>> misguidedly >>> wrong in yours, and the (small) inconvenience to inexperienced >>> >>> users >>> >>> matters >>> less to me than you wanting to change it, because of feedback you >>> >>> have >>> >>> received, and not being able to. >>> >>> By contrast I do care a lot more about record-beside and >>> >>> record-below, >>> >>> which we also disagree on. If it came to a vote I would put energy >>> into >>> getting consensus on my side about record-beside being the default. >>> >>> --James. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> By the way, I would also like to condense the two optional >>> extra-menus >>> into >>> one. However, if I do that it's for 2.2.2 rather than 2.2.1 >>> >>> given >>> >>> the >>> timescales. >>> >>> --James. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/8/2017 3:04 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote: >>> >>> We're getting quite a few people asking how to export a normal >>> audio >>> file. >>> >>> It would seem that renaming "Export" as "Save Other" has >>> >>> created as >>> >>> much confusion as it resolved. >>> >>> My personal view is that with the current File menu layout, the >>> least >>> confusing would be to rename "Save Other" back to "Export". Imo, >>> the >>> reduced size of the menu and improved menu order does enough to >>> draw >>> attention to the Export menu item without removing the "E" word. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> ------------------ >>> >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Audacity-quality mailing lis...@li...://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Audacity-quality mailing lis...@li...://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Audacity-quality mailing lis...@li...://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Audacity-quality mailing list >>> Aud...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>> >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > Audacity-quality mailing list > Aud...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality |
