Audacity

On 28 September 2016 at 18:20, Paul Licameli <paul.licameli@...> wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Gale Andrews <gale@...> wrote:
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>> On 28 September 2016 at 17:57, Paul Licameli <paul.licameli@...>
>> wrote:
>> > I can fix this, and it will require rebuild of wxWidgets.
>>
>> Excellent, thank you.
>>
>>
>> > There will still be improved VoiceOver interaction, compared with
>> > verison
>> > 2.1.2.
>> >
>> > VoiceOver isn't working right in every particular, but it will be a big
>> > advance.  How much to you mean to test it, Gale?
>>
>> Not overmuch, because I am not an expert in VoiceOver, and time
>> is now getting short to make a good assessment.
>>
>> The best place to get that assessment IMO is to post on
>> audacity4blind when there is a nightly build that has the changes.
>> That relies on Leland rebuilding wxWidgets or me posting a build,
>> and then you (Paul) following up the feedback given on
>> audacity4blind.
>>
>>
>> > As for abandoning Snow Leopard after 2.1.3, I would like to see that,
>> > but I
>> > don't want to force that decision, and I thought we are not necessarily
>> > committed to it.  Give your opinion whether 2.1.3 is good enough to make
>> > that move, or not.
>>
>> IMO 2.1.3 is not ready enough now. Perhaps it might be after
>> further changes you'll make for VoiceOver and navigating effects
>> with keyboard, but I see no need to rush that decision for 2.1.3
>> and perhaps get the decision wrong.
>
>
> I tried hard to pay down the debt of Mac user interface bugs this release.
> If it's not good enough, what specific problems are most important?

At the very least it needs confirmation from actual VoiceOver and
keyboard users. I doubt for example they will be happy with many
TAB's to get from the Manage button to the first control in effects.
First control selected, focus on OK, works perfectly in
2.1.1-screen-reader.

Also I need to check up on your fix for pasting in Mac dialogues.
Not being able to paste is complained about every few days in
2.1.2.

Gale

> PRL
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>> Gale
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>> > PRL
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>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Gale Andrews <gale@...>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 28 September 2016 at 05:45, Paul Licameli <paul.licameli@...>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Aha!  -- The stack trace gave a clue.  I can reproduce the problem,
>> >> > but
>> >> > only
>> >> > if I have VoiceOver enabled.
>> >> >
>> >> > This gives me something to investigate.
>> >>
>> >> The plot thickens then, because I have always tested with VoiceOver
>> >> off,
>> >> like most users would be using Audacity. Enabling VoiceOver shows the
>> >> same behaviour.
>> >>
>> >> @Cliff, I see the exception in a dialogue inside Audacity, similar to
>> >> an
>> >> assert
>> >> dialogue that you might see on Linux.
>> >>
>> >> One thing that might explain my suddenly seeing an exception dialogue
>> >> is that I have moved to macOS Sierra from El Capitan. I am still on
>> >> Xcode 7.1 and Audacity builds OK, though Xcode wanted to install
>> >> more tools on upgrade to Sierra. Currently I have XCode running,
>> >> though I launched Audacity from the Dock.
>> >>
>> >> I still have a Yosemite partition I could test on.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gale
>> >>
>> >> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Gale Andrews <gale@...>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cliff,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Another place to test is the dropdown arrows at the right of the
>> >> >> spinboxes
>> >> >> (TimeText controls) in Selection Toolbar. Do you get the selection
>> >> >> formats
>> >> >> list if you click that arrow?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> COMMAND + F6 into the upper tooldock then TAB. Do you see the focus
>> >> >> rings round the Transport Toolbar buttons? I do.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In my build of the 23rd Sep (the last one I made) I am now getting
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> exception error when I open the Audio Track dropdown menu or
>> >> >> Selection Toolbar spinbox menu. It's a release configuration build,
>> >> >> though. See below.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Leland's latest debug build (27 Sep) produces the same exception.
>> >> >> All I do is launch Audacity, Record, Stop then click the Audio Track
>> >> >> dropdown menu, but it happens the same if I don't Stop first.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gale
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Exception Name: NSAccessibilityException
>> >> >> Description: "AXParent" attribute unsupported by: <wxNSApplication:
>> >> >> 0x2728f10>
>> >> >> User Info: {
>> >> >>     NSAccessibilityErrorCodeExceptionInfo = "-25205";
>> >> >> }
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 0   CoreFoundation                      0x9467521b __raiseError +
>> >> >> 187
>> >> >> 1   libobjc.A.dylib                     0x9ed086e6
>> >> >> objc_exception_throw
>> >> >> +
>> >> >> 273
>> >> >> 2   CoreFoundation                      0x945ef831 -[NSException
>> >> >> raise]
>> >> >> +
>> >> >> 17
>> >> >> 3   AppKit                              0x92825896
>> >> >> _NSAccessibilityRaiseException + 176
>> >> >> 4   AppKit                              0x92965569
>> >> >> _NSAccessibilitySetError + 72
>> >> >> 5   AppKit                              0x929657d1
>> >> >> NSAccessibilitySetUnsupportedAttributeError + 60
>> >> >> 6   AppKit                              0x92549de5
>> >> >> NSAccessibilityAttributeValue + 171
>> >> >> 7   AppKit                              0x92549d35
>> >> >> -[NSApplication(NSApplicationAccessibility)
>> >> >> accessibilityAttributeValue:] + 20
>> >> >> 8   libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x015eff58
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _ZNK12_GLOBAL__N_136wxNSAccessibilityTopLevelUIAttribute3GetEP11objc_objectR12wxAccessiblei
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>> >> >> 9   libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x015e846c
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _Z33wxOSX_accessibilityAttributeValueP11objc_objectP13objc_selectorP8NSString
>> >> >> + 220
>> >> >> 10  AppKit                              0x92600c80
>> >> >> NSAccessibilityGetObjectForAttributeUsingLegacyAPI + 552
>> >> >> 11  AppKit                              0x92b3775d
>> >> >> ___NSAccessibilityEntryPointValueForAttribute_block_invoke + 23
>> >> >> 12  AppKit                              0x92b33955
>> >> >> NSAccessibilityPerformEntryPointObject + 144
>> >> >> 13  AppKit                              0x925ff19f
>> >> >> _NSAccessibilityEntryPointValueForAttribute + 178
>> >> >> 14  AppKit                              0x925ff0e7
>> >> >> NSAccessibilityEntryPointValueForAttribute + 24
>> >> >> 15  AppKit                              0x92d72cbb
>> >> >> -[NSView(NSViewAccessibility)
>> >> >> accessibilityPopUpMenuCreated:returningAccessibilityParent:] + 659
>> >> >> 16  AppKit                              0x9282dae3
>> >> >> _NSSLMPopUpCarbonMenu3
>> >> >> + 4857
>> >> >> 17  AppKit                              0x9282c746
>> >> >> -[NSCarbonMenuImpl
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> popUpMenu:atLocation:width:forView:withSelectedItem:withFont:withFlags:withOptions:]
>> >> >> + 500
>> >> >> 18  AppKit                              0x928a277b
>> >> >> -[NSPopUpButtonCell
>> >> >> trackMouse:inRect:ofView:untilMouseUp:] + 681
>> >> >> 19  AppKit                              0x9291899a
>> >> >> -[NSPopUpButtonCell
>> >> >> performClickWithFrame:inView:] + 127
>> >> >> 20  libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x015d24a7
>> >> >> _ZN15wxMenuCocoaImpl5PopUpEP8wxWindowii + 375
>> >> >> 21  libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x015238ef
>> >> >> _ZN8wxWindow11DoPopupMenuEP6wxMenuii + 143
>> >> >> 22  libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x016f820a
>> >> >> _ZN12wxWindowBase9PopupMenuEP6wxMenuii + 74
>> >> >> 23  Audacity                            0x002cf6f3
>> >> >> _ZN10TrackPanel11OnTrackMenuEP5Track + 1683
>> >> >> 24  Audacity                            0x002cea9d
>> >> >> _ZN10TrackPanel13HandlePoppingER12wxMouseEvent + 285
>> >> >> 25  Audacity                            0x002d50af
>> >> >> _ZN10TrackPanel12OnMouseEventER12wxMouseEvent + 991
>> >> >> 26  libwx_baseu_release-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x01b39c37
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _ZNK16wxAppConsoleBase11HandleEventEP12wxEvtHandlerMS0_FvR7wxEventES3_
>> >> >> + 39
>> >> >> 27  libwx_baseu_release-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x01b39c87
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _ZNK16wxAppConsoleBase16CallEventHandlerEP12wxEvtHandlerR14wxEventFunctorR7wxEvent
>> >> >> + 71
>> >> >> 28  libwx_baseu_release-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x01c42950
>> >> >> _ZN16wxEventHashTable11HandleEventER7wxEventP12wxEvtHandler + 304
>> >> >> 29  libwx_baseu_release-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x01c43552
>> >> >> _ZN12wxEvtHandler19ProcessEventLocallyER7wxEvent + 98
>> >> >> 30  libwx_baseu_release-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x01c43446
>> >> >> _ZN12wxEvtHandler12ProcessEventER7wxEvent + 102
>> >> >> 31  libwx_baseu_release-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x01c43812
>> >> >> _ZN12wxEvtHandler18SafelyProcessEventER7wxEvent + 34
>> >> >> 32  libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x016f3ceb
>> >> >> _ZNK12wxWindowBase17HandleWindowEventER7wxEvent + 27
>> >> >> 33  libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x015eec43
>> >> >> _ZN17wxWidgetCocoaImpl18DoHandleMouseEventEP7NSEvent + 83
>> >> >> 34  libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x015d66e0
>> >> >> -[NSWindow(wxNSWindowSupport) WX_filterSendEvent:] + 160
>> >> >> 35  libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x015d673b
>> >> >> -[wxNSWindow sendEvent:] + 43
>> >> >> 36  AppKit                              0x92c756de
>> >> >> -[NSApplication(NSEvent) sendEvent:] + 2854
>> >> >> 37  libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x015164ea
>> >> >> -[wxNSApplication sendEvent:] + 106
>> >> >> 38  AppKit                              0x9256d1c5 -[NSApplication
>> >> >> run]
>> >> >> +
>> >> >> 1018
>> >> >> 39  libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x015cb2fb
>> >> >> _ZN14wxGUIEventLoop8OSXDoRunEv + 107
>> >> >> 40  libwx_baseu_release-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x01c2018f
>> >> >> _ZN13wxCFEventLoop5DoRunEv + 47
>> >> >> 41  libwx_baseu_release-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x01b6a4a9
>> >> >> _ZN15wxEventLoopBase3RunEv + 89
>> >> >> 42  libwx_baseu_release-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x01b39435
>> >> >> _ZN16wxAppConsoleBase8MainLoopEv + 117
>> >> >> 43  libwx_osx_cocoau_release_core-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x0155ec1e
>> >> >> _ZN5wxApp5OnRunEv + 30
>> >> >> 44  libwx_baseu_release-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x01ba6d4e _Z7wxEntryRiPPw +
>> >> >> 78
>> >> >> 45  libwx_baseu_release-3.0.0.2.0.dylib 0x01ba6e92 _Z7wxEntryRiPPc +
>> >> >> 50
>> >> >> 46  Audacity                            0x000053db main + 91
>> >> >> 47  Audacity                            0x00002765 start + 53
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 27 September 2016 at 23:40, Cliff Scott <flyer185@...>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > I’m referring to what I though was called the track panel display
>> >> >> > which
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > on the left of the wave panel display. The arrow is at the upper
>> >> >> > right
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > that display after the words “Audio Track”. The dropdown menu has
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > word
>> >> >> > Name at the top. Am I in the right place?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I did rebuild wxWidgets just today after pulling all changes and
>> >> >> > followed
>> >> >> > the mac/build.txt to be sure I had the latest changes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Cliff
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Sep 27, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Paul Licameli
>> >> >> > <paul.licameli@...>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Cliff Scott <flyer185@...>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Gale,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I’m not sure what you mean by the Track Dropdown Menu, but if you
>> >> >> >> mean
>> >> >> >> using the down arrow at the upper right of the Track Panel after
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> words
>> >> >> >> "Audio Track", yes it does work here. I tested a build I did
>> >> >> >> today
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> far back as Aug. 18th and it works in both and ones in between.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You mean "upper left."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The problem, though, is to be sure you rebuild not only Audacity
>> >> >> > source,
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > also, use wxWidgets as rebuilt with some source code changes that
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > made.
>> >> >> > That is, follow the steps in mac/Buld.txt with particular
>> >> >> > attention
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > step
>> >> >> > 9.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I can't reproduce the problem Gale reports.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > PRL
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I can also confirm that the fix for Bug 1450 works. Thanks Paul!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Cliff
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Sep 27, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Gale Andrews
>> >> >> >> > <gale@...>
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On 27 September 2016 at 18:20, Paul Licameli
>> >> >> >> > <paul.licameli@...>
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Gale Andrews
>> >> >> >> >> <gale@...>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> As you may have noticed, Mac users are particularly touchy
>> >> >> >> >>> about
>> >> >> >> >>> "regressions". Muscle memory gets ingrained, so if the user
>> >> >> >> >>> can't
>> >> >> >> >>> use TAB like they did before, they will just revert to older
>> >> >> >> >>> versions
>> >> >> >> >>> of Audacity until the "problem" is fixed.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Besides, not being able to TAB in Metadata Editor on Mac is
>> >> >> >> >>> platform-inconsistent and so would create a documentation
>> >> >> >> >>> issue.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> We have given Mac users far too many reasons to revert lately
>> >> >> >> >>> (mostly due to wx3 of course). That is also in my reasoning,
>> >> >> >> >>> and
>> >> >> >> >>> so (at the time) was making 2.1.3 a "final version for Snow
>> >> >> >> >>> Leopard".
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> And I was trying to address those regressions this summer.
>> >> >> >> >> This
>> >> >> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> >> dialog
>> >> >> >> >> may have changed behavior, but in the same commit that fixed
>> >> >> >> >> TAB
>> >> >> >> >> key
>> >> >> >> >> navigation in many, many other dialogs.  Now I have fixed this
>> >> >> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> >> while
>> >> >> >> >> still keeping the improvements for the others.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Thank you Paul, I will test it out.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>> Could we address not being able to open the Audio Track
>> >> >> >> >>> Dropdown Menu and other context menus on Mac:
>> >> >> >> >>> http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1470  ?
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Surely no-one can argue that is not P1?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> As I have said, I can't reproduce this, when I make my own
>> >> >> >> >> complete
>> >> >> >> >> rebuilds
>> >> >> >> >> of wxWidgets and of Audacity.  Have you tried the same?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If a complete rebuild of wxWidgets is as described in
>> >> >> >> > mac/Build.txt
>> >> >> >> > I have done so.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > And as I said, Leland's Nightly Builds had the same issue, last
>> >> >> >> > time
>> >> >> >> > I checked. His and my builds have the benefits from the
>> >> >> >> > focusrings
>> >> >> >> > and eventloops patches, which makes me think they do have
>> >> >> >> > rebuilt
>> >> >> >> > wxWidgets.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Cliff, can you open the Track Dropdown Menu in your builds?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Gale
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>> On 27 September 2016 at 16:35, James Crook <crookj@...>
>> >> >> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>> On 9/27/2016 3:58 PM, Paul Licameli wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>> I don't understand the high priority given this bug,
>> >> >> >> >>>>> because
>> >> >> >> >>>>> you
>> >> >> >> >>>>> can
>> >> >> >> >>>>> still
>> >> >> >> >>>>> navigate the grid cells with the arrow keys instead of tab.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> But not matter, I have fixed it now.
>> >> >> >> >>>> Thanks for fixing it.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> Regressions generally get higher bug ratings than one might
>> >> >> >> >>>> expect
>> >> >> >> >>>> from
>> >> >> >> >>>> the actual inconvenience.
>> >> >> >> >>>> One principle we try to follow is to avoid having valid
>> >> >> >> >>>> reasons
>> >> >> >> >>>> for
>> >> >> >> >>>> people to stay using an older version.   If they do, and if
>> >> >> >> >>>> we
>> >> >> >> >>>> need
>> >> >> >> >>>> to
>> >> >> >> >>>> support them on the older version, it's a lot more work in
>> >> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> >> >> >>>> long
>> >> >> >> >>>> term
>> >> >> >> >>>> for us.  The tab regression could be such a reason not to
>> >> >> >> >>>> upgrade.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> Kvetching a bit about bug ratings is OK / expected.  We have
>> >> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> >> >> >>>> system
>> >> >> >> >>>> for a reason, and we would be much worse off if developers
>> >> >> >> >>>> just
>> >> >> >> >>>> changed
>> >> >> >> >>>> ratings they did not agree with.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> --James.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >>>> Audacity-quality mailing list
>> >> >> >> >>>> Audacity-quality@...
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
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>> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >> >> >>> Audacity-quality@...
>> >> >> >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> Audacity-quality mailing list
>> >> >> >> >> Audacity-quality@...
>> >> >> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> > Audacity-quality mailing list
>> >> >> >> > Audacity-quality@...
>> >> >> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
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>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >> >> Audacity-quality@...
>> >> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality
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>> >> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> >> > Audacity-quality mailing list
>> >> >> > Audacity-quality@...
>> >> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality
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>> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >> >> > Audacity-quality@...
>> >> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality
>> >> >> >
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>> >> >>
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