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Re: [Audacity-quality] Exporting audio files
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From: Peter S. <pet...@gm...> - 2017-11-13 15:00:17
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@James - I have made all the textual and link edits for the switch from "Save Other" to "Export" Apart, that is, from this problem page: http://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man/Examples:_Exporting_audio_for_ringtones_and_IVR_messages where I can (and did) edit the second example div but Cloudflare blocks me from editing the first and the third and I can't figure out why. I'm half-minded just to delete the page anyway - as most modern phones tend to accept stereo MP3, AAC or even WAV - as they all now tend to have large disk-space onboard. So all that remains now is the updating of the images and imagemaps for the changed File Menu (I placed P1s for those locations). Cheers, Peter. On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Peter Sampson < pet...@gm...> wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 4:29 PM, James Crook <cr...@in...> wrote: > >> On 11/12/2017 4:14 PM, Peter Sampson wrote: >> >> Can I safely presume that this change ("Save Other" in the File Menu to >> "Export") is set to remain for 2.2.1 >> >> Yes. >> > > > Thanks. > > And I do find myself preferring that when I'm on the Mac > > > >> - I can see it >> in the commits and in the latest Mac nightly but not yet in Windows as we >> have no recent nightly. >> >> I ask because in the Manual there are *many* occurrences if "Save Other" >> that I need to get on dealing with >> and I do not want to start that unless and until I am certain that this >> change will stick. >> >> I will do the image updates for the file menu (4 images I think), and the >> image map, but not today. >> > > > Thanks for that - much appreciated > > > >> >> >> I was originally thinking that a DISPLAYTITLE could be used for the >> existing pagehttp://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man/File_Menu:_Save_Other >> >> But maybe I should go for a proper rename - but a *lot* of pages link to >> this page - anybody have any thoughts on this? >> >> Do a rename, with redirect, and then search and replace?? Then if the >> rename page is orphan, remove it. >> > > > OK a rename it is then. > > I'll think carefully about a search&replace - but may end up doing it > manually (I'm cautious about such changes) > I have prepared myself a Word document as a plan for all the pages that > reference the page > > >> >> >> Without a proper rename we will end up with many misleading strings (still >> carrying "Save Other" in their page lnks) >> in various places I'm thinking. >> >> Thanks, >> Peter >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Peter Sampson <petersampsonaudacity@gmail. >> com> <pet...@gm...> wrote: >> >> >> Once this change gets presented in Windows nightly I van get on with >> updating the Manual for this. >> >> Peter >> >> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm...> wrote: >> >> >> Yesterday I was unaware that the & would make a difference to >> translations, and changed it to "&Export" (16 hours ago) >> Also, I thought that string freeze was scheduled for 10th. Is that not so? >> >> Steve >> >> On 9 November 2017 at 08:54, James Crook <cr...@in...> <cr...@in...> wrote: >> >> On 11/9/2017 8:53 AM, James Crook wrote: >> >> Given string consensus to change it, +1 to changing now, without the &. >> --James. >> >> for 'string' I meant 'strong'. It is of course a string change. >> >> --James. >> >> >> On 11/9/2017 1:36 AM, Cliff Scott wrote: >> >> On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> <pau...@gm...> >> wrote: >> >> A bit of unscientific polling of the discussion group I manage: >> >> 33 votes against "Save Other" >> 8 neutral >> 7 in favor >> >> That seems like a large margin of preference for the old name. >> >> Must it be fixed in 2.2.1? Just changing the sub-menu name to >> >> "Export" >> >> may be done, and that string is already in the .pot files. However, >> >> we >> >> might want to put an accelerator in it with & which would add a >> >> string, and >> >> I would have to ask -translation for another minor update. >> >> Just my opinion, the sooner it is changed the better it is so people >> don't get used to thinking Save Other then have to switch gears again >> >> to >> >> Export. >> >> Cliff >> >> >> More ambitious menu reorganizations -- I'd punt that to 2.2.2. >> >> PRL >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Peter Sampson >> <pet...@gm... <mailto:petersampsonaudacity@g <petersampsonaudacity@g> >> >> mail.com>> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Peter Sampson >> <pet...@gm... <mailto:petersampsonaudacity@g <petersampsonaudacity@g> >> >> mail.com>> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Steve the Fiddle >> <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...> <ste...@gm...>> wrote: >> On 8 November 2017 at 16:17, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...<mailto:pau...@gm...> <pau...@gm...>> wrote: >> >> I'll go on record disliking "Save other," but that's only one voice. >> >> and just one voice from me too, hence the reason for raising the >> >> matter >> >> on-list. >> >> >> In my production use of Audacity I find myself increasingly disliking >> the two clicks to get to the Exports >> and indeed, even now having to remember to use Save Other (a "Save" >> command to make an "Export"). >> >> Firing up 2.1.3 again makes me long for the key Export commands >> >> (Audio, >> >> Multiple, Selected). >> >> In 2.2.0/2.2.1 I do not value the Export as MP3, Export as WAV and >> Export as OGG, always using the >> Export Audio. >> >> >> But if we do keep these three (sub)commands then I strongly think >> >> that >> >> we should have pre-assigned shortcuts >> for them - especially of they stay in a sub-menu. >> >> It is quite difficult to set shortcuts - and horrendously difficult >> trying to find available unused ones. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> I see no reason not to pul at least Export Audio and Export Multiple >> >> to >> >> the top level of the File Menu and >> replacing the !"Save Other" with "Export Other". >> >> This is my user-POV >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> Maybe Forum should decide, but maybe you get a biased sample, those >> disliking the change more likely to say so. >> >> Most definitely so, but more than just "not liking the change". We >> >> are >> >> getting feedback that users are confused by the fact that they can't >> find where / how to export. >> >> >> We do have to remember, as you Steve used to point out to Gale, that >> >> a >> >> small no of posters on the Forum >> is a *very* small sample of our user base. >> >> One of the posters today did ask about customizable menus - is that >> still in your thinking James? >> >> Peter. >> >> >> >> >> I do not require or prohibit this change. If someone decides to >> >> change >> >> it, >> I hope you reuse an already internationalized string _("Export") so >> .pot >> doesn't need another update. >> >> Good point. >> >> Steve >> >> >> PRL >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:13 AM, James Crook <cr...@in...<mailto:cr...@in...> <cr...@in...>> wrote: >> >> On 11/8/2017 3:50 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote: >> >> On 8 November 2017 at 15:40, James Crook <cr...@in...<mailto:cr...@in...> <cr...@in...>> wrote: >> >> Doer decides? You can change it - though perhaps formally get >> Paul's OK >> to >> do it since he is (or will be) 2.2.1 RM? I care about the menus >> being >> much >> better organised than they were, not about every single detail. >> >> And >> >> if >> you >> do change it, you'll be taking responsibility for all those >> inexperienced >> users who don't find how to 'Save' as wav! >> >> Sure, but we're a team, right? >> We have some (admittedly limited) feedback, and I've cast my 2c. >> >> Yes I agree that the menu reorganisation is the more important >> >> (and >> >> much improved) part, so just talking details here. >> >> What do others think? "Save Other" or "Export" or something else? >> Assuming that the rest of the File menu remains the same, I'm +1 >> >> for >> >> "Export" >> >> If we're voting I'm -1 on it changing from "Save Other" - but if it >> were >> just us two voting and no one else, then I think it should >> >> change. I >> >> think >> I am right in my choice, but I don't think you are terribly >> misguidedly >> wrong in yours, and the (small) inconvenience to inexperienced >> >> users >> >> matters >> less to me than you wanting to change it, because of feedback you >> >> have >> >> received, and not being able to. >> >> By contrast I do care a lot more about record-beside and >> >> record-below, >> >> which we also disagree on. If it came to a vote I would put energy >> into >> getting consensus on my side about record-beside being the default. >> >> --James. >> >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> By the way, I would also like to condense the two optional >> extra-menus >> into >> one. However, if I do that it's for 2.2.2 rather than 2.2.1 >> >> given >> >> the >> timescales. >> >> --James. >> >> >> >> >> On 11/8/2017 3:04 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote: >> >> We're getting quite a few people asking how to export a normal >> audio >> file. >> >> It would seem that renaming "Export" as "Save Other" has >> >> created as >> >> much confusion as it resolved. >> >> My personal view is that with the current File menu layout, the >> least >> confusing would be to rename "Save Other" back to "Export". Imo, >> the >> reduced size of the menu and improved menu order does enough to >> draw >> attention to the Export menu item without removing the "E" word. >> >> Steve >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------ >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Audacity-quality mailing lis...@li...://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Audacity-quality mailing lis...@li...://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Audacity-quality mailing lis...@li...://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Audacity-quality mailing list >> Aud...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> >> > |
