Re: [Audacity-quality] Exporting audio files

[Peter S. <pet...@gm...>]

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 4:29 PM, James Crook <cr...@in...> wrote:

> On 11/12/2017 4:14 PM, Peter Sampson wrote:
>
> Can I safely presume that this change ("Save Other" in the File Menu to
> "Export") is set to remain for 2.2.1
>
> Yes.
>


Thanks.

And I do find myself preferring that when I'm on the Mac



> - I can see it
> in the commits and in the latest Mac nightly but not yet in Windows as we
> have no recent nightly.
>
> I ask because in the Manual there are *many* occurrences if "Save Other"
> that I need to get on dealing with
> and I do not want to start that unless and until I am certain that this
> change will stick.
>
> I will do the image updates for the file menu (4 images I think), and the
> image map, but not today.
>


Thanks for that - much appreciated



>
>
> I was originally thinking that a DISPLAYTITLE could be used for the
> existing pagehttp://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man/File_Menu:_Save_Other
>
> But maybe I should go for a proper rename - but a *lot* of pages link to
> this page - anybody have any thoughts on this?
>
> Do a rename, with redirect, and then search and replace??  Then if the
> rename page is orphan, remove it.
>


OK a rename it is then.

I'll think carefully about a search&replace - but may end up doing it
manually (I'm cautious about such changes)
I have prepared myself a Word document as a plan for all the pages that
reference the page


>
>
> Without a proper rename we will end up with many misleading strings (still
> carrying "Save Other" in their page lnks)
> in various places I'm thinking.
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Peter Sampson <petersampsonaudacity@gmail.
> com> <pet...@gm...> wrote:
>
>
> Once this change gets presented in Windows nightly I van get on with
> updating the Manual for this.
>
> Peter
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>
>
> Yesterday I was unaware that the & would make a difference to
> translations, and changed it to "&Export" (16 hours ago)
> Also, I thought that string freeze was scheduled for 10th. Is that not so?
>
> Steve
>
> On 9 November 2017 at 08:54, James Crook <cr...@in...> <cr...@in...> wrote:
>
> On 11/9/2017 8:53 AM, James Crook wrote:
>
> Given string consensus to change it, +1 to changing now, without the &.
> --James.
>
> for 'string' I meant 'strong'.  It is of course a string change.
>
> --James.
>
>
> On 11/9/2017 1:36 AM, Cliff Scott wrote:
>
> On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> <pau...@gm...>
> wrote:
>
> A bit of unscientific polling of the discussion group I manage:
>
> 33 votes against "Save Other"
> 8 neutral
> 7 in favor
>
> That seems like a large margin of preference for the old name.
>
> Must it be fixed in 2.2.1?  Just changing the sub-menu name to
>
> "Export"
>
> may be done, and that string is already in the .pot files.  However,
>
> we
>
> might want to put an accelerator in it with & which would add a
>
> string, and
>
> I would have to ask -translation for another minor update.
>
> Just my opinion, the sooner it is changed the better it is so people
> don't get used to thinking Save Other then have to switch gears again
>
> to
>
> Export.
>
> Cliff
>
>
> More ambitious menu reorganizations -- I'd punt that to 2.2.2.
>
> PRL
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Peter Sampson
> <pet...@gm... <mailto:petersampsonaudacity@g <petersampsonaudacity@g>
>
> mail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Peter Sampson
> <pet...@gm... <mailto:petersampsonaudacity@g <petersampsonaudacity@g>
>
> mail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Steve the Fiddle
> <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...> <ste...@gm...>> wrote:
> On 8 November 2017 at 16:17, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...<mailto:pau...@gm...> <pau...@gm...>> wrote:
>
> I'll go on record disliking "Save other," but that's only one voice.
>
> and just one voice from me too, hence the reason for raising the
>
> matter
>
> on-list.
>
>
> In my production use of Audacity I find myself increasingly disliking
> the two clicks to get to the Exports
> and indeed, even now having to remember to use Save Other (a "Save"
> command to make an "Export").
>
> Firing up 2.1.3 again makes me long for the key Export commands
>
> (Audio,
>
> Multiple, Selected).
>
> In 2.2.0/2.2.1 I do not value the Export as MP3, Export as WAV and
> Export as OGG, always using the
> Export Audio.
>
>
> But if we do keep these three (sub)commands then I strongly think
>
> that
>
> we should have pre-assigned shortcuts
> for them - especially of they stay in a sub-menu.
>
> It is quite difficult to set shortcuts - and horrendously difficult
> trying to find available unused ones.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> I see no reason not to pul at least Export Audio and Export Multiple
>
> to
>
> the top level of the File Menu and
> replacing the !"Save Other" with "Export Other".
>
> This is my user-POV
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> Maybe Forum should decide, but maybe you get a biased sample, those
> disliking the change more likely to say so.
>
> Most definitely so, but more than just "not liking the change". We
>
> are
>
> getting feedback that users are confused by the fact that they can't
> find where / how to export.
>
>
> We do have to remember, as you Steve used to point out to Gale, that
>
> a
>
> small no of posters on the Forum
> is a *very* small sample of our user base.
>
> One of the posters today did ask about customizable menus - is that
> still in your thinking James?
>
> Peter.
>
>
>
>
> I do not require or prohibit this change.  If someone decides to
>
> change
>
> it,
> I hope you reuse an already internationalized string _("Export") so
> .pot
> doesn't need another update.
>
> Good point.
>
> Steve
>
>
> PRL
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:13 AM, James Crook <cr...@in...<mailto:cr...@in...> <cr...@in...>> wrote:
>
> On 11/8/2017 3:50 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
>
> On 8 November 2017 at 15:40, James Crook <cr...@in...<mailto:cr...@in...> <cr...@in...>> wrote:
>
> Doer decides?  You can change it - though perhaps formally get
> Paul's OK
> to
> do it since he is (or will be) 2.2.1 RM?  I care about the menus
> being
> much
> better organised than they were, not about every single detail.
>
> And
>
> if
> you
> do change it, you'll be taking responsibility for all those
> inexperienced
> users who don't find how to 'Save' as wav!
>
> Sure, but we're a team, right?
> We have some (admittedly limited) feedback, and I've cast my 2c.
>
> Yes I agree that the menu reorganisation is the more important
>
> (and
>
> much improved) part, so just talking details here.
>
> What do others think? "Save Other" or "Export" or something else?
> Assuming  that the rest of the File menu remains the same, I'm +1
>
> for
>
> "Export"
>
> If we're voting I'm -1 on it changing from "Save Other" - but if it
> were
> just us two voting and no one else, then I think it should
>
> change.  I
>
> think
> I am right in my choice, but I don't think you are terribly
> misguidedly
> wrong in yours, and the (small) inconvenience to inexperienced
>
> users
>
> matters
> less to me than you wanting to change it, because of feedback you
>
> have
>
> received, and not being able to.
>
> By contrast I do care a lot more about record-beside and
>
> record-below,
>
> which we also disagree on.  If it came to a vote I would put energy
> into
> getting consensus on my side about record-beside being the default.
>
> --James.
>
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> By the way, I would also like to condense the two optional
> extra-menus
> into
> one.  However, if I do that it's for 2.2.2 rather than 2.2.1
>
> given
>
> the
> timescales.
>
> --James.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/8/2017 3:04 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
>
> We're getting quite a few people asking how to export a normal
> audio
> file.
>
> It would seem that renaming "Export" as "Save Other" has
>
> created as
>
> much confusion  as it resolved.
>
> My personal view is that with the current File menu layout, the
> least
> confusing would be to rename "Save Other" back to "Export". Imo,
> the
> reduced size of the menu and improved menu order does enough to
> draw
> attention to the Export menu item without removing the "E" word.
>
> Steve
>
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