Re: [Audacity-quality] Exporting audio files

[Peter S. <pet...@gm...>]

Once this change gets presented in Windows nightly I van get on with
updating the Manual for this.

Peter

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm...>
wrote:

> Yesterday I was unaware that the & would make a difference to
> translations, and changed it to "&Export" (16 hours ago)
> Also, I thought that string freeze was scheduled for 10th. Is that not so?
>
> Steve
>
> On 9 November 2017 at 08:54, James Crook <cr...@in...> wrote:
> > On 11/9/2017 8:53 AM, James Crook wrote:
> >>
> >> Given string consensus to change it, +1 to changing now, without the &.
> >> --James.
> >
> >
> > for 'string' I meant 'strong'.  It is of course a string change.
> >
> > --James.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/9/2017 1:36 AM, Cliff Scott wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> A bit of unscientific polling of the discussion group I manage:
> >>>>
> >>>> 33 votes against "Save Other"
> >>>> 8 neutral
> >>>> 7 in favor
> >>>>
> >>>> That seems like a large margin of preference for the old name.
> >>>>
> >>>> Must it be fixed in 2.2.1?  Just changing the sub-menu name to
> "Export"
> >>>> may be done, and that string is already in the .pot files.  However,
> we
> >>>> might want to put an accelerator in it with & which would add a
> string, and
> >>>> I would have to ask -translation for another minor update.
> >>>
> >>> Just my opinion, the sooner it is changed the better it is so people
> >>> don't get used to thinking Save Other then have to switch gears again
> to
> >>> Export.
> >>>
> >>> Cliff
> >>>
> >>>> More ambitious menu reorganizations -- I'd punt that to 2.2.2.
> >>>>
> >>>> PRL
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Peter Sampson
> >>>> <pet...@gm... <mailto:petersampsonaudacity@
> gmail.com>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Peter Sampson
> >>>> <pet...@gm... <mailto:petersampsonaudacity@
> gmail.com>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Steve the Fiddle
> >>>> <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>> On 8 November 2017 at 16:17, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...
> >>>> <mailto:pau...@gm...>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'll go on record disliking "Save other," but that's only one voice.
> >>>>
> >>>> and just one voice from me too, hence the reason for raising the
> matter
> >>>> on-list.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In my production use of Audacity I find myself increasingly disliking
> >>>> the two clicks to get to the Exports
> >>>> and indeed, even now having to remember to use Save Other (a "Save"
> >>>> command to make an "Export").
> >>>>
> >>>> Firing up 2.1.3 again makes me long for the key Export commands
> (Audio,
> >>>> Multiple, Selected).
> >>>>
> >>>> In 2.2.0/2.2.1 I do not value the Export as MP3, Export as WAV and
> >>>> Export as OGG, always using the
> >>>> Export Audio.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> But if we do keep these three (sub)commands then I strongly think that
> >>>> we should have pre-assigned shortcuts
> >>>> for them - especially of they stay in a sub-menu.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is quite difficult to set shortcuts - and horrendously difficult
> >>>> trying to find available unused ones.
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I see no reason not to pul at least Export Audio and Export Multiple
> to
> >>>> the top level of the File Menu and
> >>>> replacing the !"Save Other" with "Export Other".
> >>>>
> >>>> This is my user-POV
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Maybe Forum should decide, but maybe you get a biased sample, those
> >>>>> disliking the change more likely to say so.
> >>>>
> >>>> Most definitely so, but more than just "not liking the change". We are
> >>>> getting feedback that users are confused by the fact that they can't
> >>>> find where / how to export.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> We do have to remember, as you Steve used to point out to Gale, that a
> >>>> small no of posters on the Forum
> >>>> is a *very* small sample of our user base.
> >>>>
> >>>> One of the posters today did ask about customizable menus - is that
> >>>> still in your thinking James?
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I do not require or prohibit this change.  If someone decides to
> change
> >>>>> it,
> >>>>> I hope you reuse an already internationalized string _("Export") so
> >>>>> .pot
> >>>>> doesn't need another update.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good point.
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>>>
> >>>>> PRL
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:13 AM, James Crook <cr...@in...
> >>>>> <mailto:cr...@in...>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 11/8/2017 3:50 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8 November 2017 at 15:40, James Crook <cr...@in...
> >>>>>>> <mailto:cr...@in...>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Doer decides?  You can change it - though perhaps formally get
> >>>>>>>> Paul's OK
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> do it since he is (or will be) 2.2.1 RM?  I care about the menus
> >>>>>>>> being
> >>>>>>>> much
> >>>>>>>> better organised than they were, not about every single detail.
> And
> >>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> do change it, you'll be taking responsibility for all those
> >>>>>>>> inexperienced
> >>>>>>>> users who don't find how to 'Save' as wav!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sure, but we're a team, right?
> >>>>>>> We have some (admittedly limited) feedback, and I've cast my 2c.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes I agree that the menu reorganisation is the more important (and
> >>>>>>> much improved) part, so just talking details here.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What do others think? "Save Other" or "Export" or something else?
> >>>>>>> Assuming  that the rest of the File menu remains the same, I'm +1
> for
> >>>>>>> "Export"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If we're voting I'm -1 on it changing from "Save Other" - but if it
> >>>>>> were
> >>>>>> just us two voting and no one else, then I think it should change.
> I
> >>>>>> think
> >>>>>> I am right in my choice, but I don't think you are terribly
> >>>>>> misguidedly
> >>>>>> wrong in yours, and the (small) inconvenience to inexperienced users
> >>>>>> matters
> >>>>>> less to me than you wanting to change it, because of feedback you
> have
> >>>>>> received, and not being able to.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> By contrast I do care a lot more about record-beside and
> record-below,
> >>>>>> which we also disagree on.  If it came to a vote I would put energy
> >>>>>> into
> >>>>>> getting consensus on my side about record-beside being the default.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --James.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Steve
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> By the way, I would also like to condense the two optional
> >>>>>>>> extra-menus
> >>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>> one.  However, if I do that it's for 2.2.2 rather than 2.2.1 given
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> timescales.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --James.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 11/8/2017 3:04 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We're getting quite a few people asking how to export a normal
> >>>>>>>>> audio
> >>>>>>>>> file.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It would seem that renaming "Export" as "Save Other" has created
> as
> >>>>>>>>> much confusion  as it resolved.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> My personal view is that with the current File menu layout, the
> >>>>>>>>> least
> >>>>>>>>> confusing would be to rename "Save Other" back to "Export". Imo,
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> reduced size of the menu and improved menu order does enough to
> >>>>>>>>> draw
> >>>>>>>>> attention to the Export menu item without removing the "E" word.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >
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