Re: [Audacity-quality] Exporting audio files

[Steve t. F. <ste...@gm...>]

Yesterday I was unaware that the & would make a difference to
translations, and changed it to "&Export" (16 hours ago)
Also, I thought that string freeze was scheduled for 10th. Is that not so?

Steve

On 9 November 2017 at 08:54, James Crook <cr...@in...> wrote:
> On 11/9/2017 8:53 AM, James Crook wrote:
>>
>> Given string consensus to change it, +1 to changing now, without the &.
>> --James.
>
>
> for 'string' I meant 'strong'.  It is of course a string change.
>
> --James.
>
>>
>>
>> On 11/9/2017 1:36 AM, Cliff Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A bit of unscientific polling of the discussion group I manage:
>>>>
>>>> 33 votes against "Save Other"
>>>> 8 neutral
>>>> 7 in favor
>>>>
>>>> That seems like a large margin of preference for the old name.
>>>>
>>>> Must it be fixed in 2.2.1?  Just changing the sub-menu name to "Export"
>>>> may be done, and that string is already in the .pot files.  However, we
>>>> might want to put an accelerator in it with & which would add a string, and
>>>> I would have to ask -translation for another minor update.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion, the sooner it is changed the better it is so people
>>> don't get used to thinking Save Other then have to switch gears again to
>>> Export.
>>>
>>> Cliff
>>>
>>>> More ambitious menu reorganizations -- I'd punt that to 2.2.2.
>>>>
>>>> PRL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Peter Sampson
>>>> <pet...@gm... <mailto:pet...@gm...>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Peter Sampson
>>>> <pet...@gm... <mailto:pet...@gm...>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Steve the Fiddle
>>>> <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>> On 8 November 2017 at 16:17, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...
>>>> <mailto:pau...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll go on record disliking "Save other," but that's only one voice.
>>>>
>>>> and just one voice from me too, hence the reason for raising the matter
>>>> on-list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my production use of Audacity I find myself increasingly disliking
>>>> the two clicks to get to the Exports
>>>> and indeed, even now having to remember to use Save Other (a "Save"
>>>> command to make an "Export").
>>>>
>>>> Firing up 2.1.3 again makes me long for the key Export commands (Audio,
>>>> Multiple, Selected).
>>>>
>>>> In 2.2.0/2.2.1 I do not value the Export as MP3, Export as WAV and
>>>> Export as OGG, always using the
>>>> Export Audio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But if we do keep these three (sub)commands then I strongly think that
>>>> we should have pre-assigned shortcuts
>>>> for them - especially of they stay in a sub-menu.
>>>>
>>>> It is quite difficult to set shortcuts - and horrendously difficult
>>>> trying to find available unused ones.
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I see no reason not to pul at least Export Audio and Export Multiple to
>>>> the top level of the File Menu and
>>>> replacing the !"Save Other" with "Export Other".
>>>>
>>>> This is my user-POV
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Forum should decide, but maybe you get a biased sample, those
>>>>> disliking the change more likely to say so.
>>>>
>>>> Most definitely so, but more than just "not liking the change". We are
>>>> getting feedback that users are confused by the fact that they can't
>>>> find where / how to export.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We do have to remember, as you Steve used to point out to Gale, that a
>>>> small no of posters on the Forum
>>>> is a *very* small sample of our user base.
>>>>
>>>> One of the posters today did ask about customizable menus - is that
>>>> still in your thinking James?
>>>>
>>>> Peter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I do not require or prohibit this change.  If someone decides to change
>>>>> it,
>>>>> I hope you reuse an already internationalized string _("Export") so
>>>>> .pot
>>>>> doesn't need another update.
>>>>
>>>> Good point.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>> PRL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:13 AM, James Crook <cr...@in...
>>>>> <mailto:cr...@in...>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/8/2017 3:50 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8 November 2017 at 15:40, James Crook <cr...@in...
>>>>>>> <mailto:cr...@in...>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doer decides?  You can change it - though perhaps formally get
>>>>>>>> Paul's OK
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> do it since he is (or will be) 2.2.1 RM?  I care about the menus
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> better organised than they were, not about every single detail.  And
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> do change it, you'll be taking responsibility for all those
>>>>>>>> inexperienced
>>>>>>>> users who don't find how to 'Save' as wav!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, but we're a team, right?
>>>>>>> We have some (admittedly limited) feedback, and I've cast my 2c.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes I agree that the menu reorganisation is the more important (and
>>>>>>> much improved) part, so just talking details here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do others think? "Save Other" or "Export" or something else?
>>>>>>> Assuming  that the rest of the File menu remains the same, I'm +1 for
>>>>>>> "Export"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we're voting I'm -1 on it changing from "Save Other" - but if it
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> just us two voting and no one else, then I think it should change.  I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> I am right in my choice, but I don't think you are terribly
>>>>>> misguidedly
>>>>>> wrong in yours, and the (small) inconvenience to inexperienced users
>>>>>> matters
>>>>>> less to me than you wanting to change it, because of feedback you have
>>>>>> received, and not being able to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By contrast I do care a lot more about record-beside and record-below,
>>>>>> which we also disagree on.  If it came to a vote I would put energy
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> getting consensus on my side about record-beside being the default.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --James.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By the way, I would also like to condense the two optional
>>>>>>>> extra-menus
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> one.  However, if I do that it's for 2.2.2 rather than 2.2.1 given
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> timescales.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --James.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2017 3:04 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We're getting quite a few people asking how to export a normal
>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would seem that renaming "Export" as "Save Other" has created as
>>>>>>>>> much confusion  as it resolved.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My personal view is that with the current File menu layout, the
>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>> confusing would be to rename "Save Other" back to "Export". Imo,
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> reduced size of the menu and improved menu order does enough to
>>>>>>>>> draw
>>>>>>>>> attention to the Export menu item without removing the "E" word.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>
>>
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