Re: [Audacity-quality] Exporting audio files

[James C. <cr...@in...>]

On 11/9/2017 8:53 AM, James Crook wrote:
> Given string consensus to change it, +1 to changing now, without the &.
> --James.

for 'string' I meant 'strong'.  It is of course a string change.
--James.

>
>
> On 11/9/2017 1:36 AM, Cliff Scott wrote:
>>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A bit of unscientific polling of the discussion group I manage:
>>>
>>> 33 votes against "Save Other"
>>> 8 neutral
>>> 7 in favor
>>>
>>> That seems like a large margin of preference for the old name.
>>>
>>> Must it be fixed in 2.2.1?  Just changing the sub-menu name to 
>>> "Export" may be done, and that string is already in the .pot files.  
>>> However, we might want to put an accelerator in it with & which 
>>> would add a string, and I would have to ask -translation for another 
>>> minor update.
>> Just my opinion, the sooner it is changed the better it is so people 
>> don't get used to thinking Save Other then have to switch gears again 
>> to  Export.
>>
>> Cliff
>>
>>> More ambitious menu reorganizations -- I'd punt that to 2.2.2.
>>>
>>> PRL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Peter Sampson 
>>> <pet...@gm... 
>>> <mailto:pet...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Peter Sampson 
>>> <pet...@gm... 
>>> <mailto:pet...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Steve the Fiddle 
>>> <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...>> wrote:
>>> On 8 November 2017 at 16:17, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm... 
>>> <mailto:pau...@gm...>> wrote:
>>>> I'll go on record disliking "Save other," but that's only one voice.
>>> and just one voice from me too, hence the reason for raising the 
>>> matter on-list.
>>>
>>>
>>> In my production use of Audacity I find myself increasingly 
>>> disliking the two clicks to get to the Exports
>>> and indeed, even now having to remember to use Save Other (a "Save" 
>>> command to make an "Export").
>>>
>>> Firing up 2.1.3 again makes me long for the key Export commands 
>>> (Audio, Multiple, Selected).
>>>
>>> In 2.2.0/2.2.1 I do not value the Export as MP3, Export as WAV and 
>>> Export as OGG, always using the
>>> Export Audio.
>>>
>>>
>>> But if we do keep these three (sub)commands then I strongly think 
>>> that we should have pre-assigned shortcuts
>>> for them - especially of they stay in a sub-menu.
>>>
>>> It is quite difficult to set shortcuts - and horrendously difficult 
>>> trying to find available unused ones.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I see no reason not to pul at least Export Audio and Export Multiple 
>>> to the top level of the File Menu and
>>> replacing the !"Save Other" with "Export Other".
>>>
>>> This is my user-POV
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Maybe Forum should decide, but maybe you get a biased sample, those
>>>> disliking the change more likely to say so.
>>> Most definitely so, but more than just "not liking the change". We are
>>> getting feedback that users are confused by the fact that they can't
>>> find where / how to export.
>>>
>>>
>>> We do have to remember, as you Steve used to point out to Gale, that 
>>> a small no of posters on the Forum
>>> is a *very* small sample of our user base.
>>>
>>> One of the posters today did ask about customizable menus - is that 
>>> still in your thinking James?
>>>
>>> Peter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I do not require or prohibit this change.  If someone decides to 
>>>> change it,
>>>> I hope you reuse an already internationalized string _("Export") so 
>>>> .pot
>>>> doesn't need another update.
>>> Good point.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>> PRL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:13 AM, James Crook <cr...@in... 
>>>> <mailto:cr...@in...>> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/8/2017 3:50 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
>>>>>> On 8 November 2017 at 15:40, James Crook <cr...@in... 
>>>>>> <mailto:cr...@in...>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Doer decides?  You can change it - though perhaps formally get 
>>>>>>> Paul's OK
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> do it since he is (or will be) 2.2.1 RM?  I care about the menus 
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> better organised than they were, not about every single detail.  
>>>>>>> And if
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> do change it, you'll be taking responsibility for all those
>>>>>>> inexperienced
>>>>>>> users who don't find how to 'Save' as wav!
>>>>>> Sure, but we're a team, right?
>>>>>> We have some (admittedly limited) feedback, and I've cast my 2c.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I agree that the menu reorganisation is the more important (and
>>>>>> much improved) part, so just talking details here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do others think? "Save Other" or "Export" or something else?
>>>>>> Assuming  that the rest of the File menu remains the same, I'm +1 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> "Export"
>>>>> If we're voting I'm -1 on it changing from "Save Other" - but if 
>>>>> it were
>>>>> just us two voting and no one else, then I think it should 
>>>>> change.  I think
>>>>> I am right in my choice, but I don't think you are terribly 
>>>>> misguidedly
>>>>> wrong in yours, and the (small) inconvenience to inexperienced 
>>>>> users matters
>>>>> less to me than you wanting to change it, because of feedback you 
>>>>> have
>>>>> received, and not being able to.
>>>>>
>>>>> By contrast I do care a lot more about record-beside and 
>>>>> record-below,
>>>>> which we also disagree on.  If it came to a vote I would put 
>>>>> energy into
>>>>> getting consensus on my side about record-beside being the default.
>>>>>
>>>>> --James.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way, I would also like to condense the two optional 
>>>>>>> extra-menus
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> one.  However, if I do that it's for 2.2.2 rather than 2.2.1 
>>>>>>> given the
>>>>>>> timescales.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --James.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/8/2017 3:04 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
>>>>>>>> We're getting quite a few people asking how to export a normal 
>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would seem that renaming "Export" as "Save Other" has 
>>>>>>>> created as
>>>>>>>> much confusion  as it resolved.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My personal view is that with the current File menu layout, the 
>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>> confusing would be to rename "Save Other" back to "Export". 
>>>>>>>> Imo, the
>>>>>>>> reduced size of the menu and improved menu order does enough to 
>>>>>>>> draw
>>>>>>>> attention to the Export menu item without removing the "E" word.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve
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