Re: [Audacity-quality] Exporting audio files

[James C. <cr...@in...>]

Given string consensus to change it, +1 to changing now, without the &.
--James.


On 11/9/2017 1:36 AM, Cliff Scott wrote:
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>> A bit of unscientific polling of the discussion group I manage:
>>
>> 33 votes against "Save Other"
>> 8 neutral
>> 7 in favor
>>
>> That seems like a large margin of preference for the old name.
>>
>> Must it be fixed in 2.2.1?  Just changing the sub-menu name to "Export" may be done, and that string is already in the .pot files.  However, we might want to put an accelerator in it with & which would add a string, and I would have to ask -translation for another minor update.
> Just my opinion, the sooner it is changed the better it is so people don't get used to thinking Save Other then have to switch gears again to  Export.
>
> Cliff
>
>> More ambitious menu reorganizations -- I'd punt that to 2.2.2.
>>
>> PRL
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Peter Sampson <pet...@gm... <mailto:pet...@gm...>> wrote:
>>
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>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Peter Sampson <pet...@gm... <mailto:pet...@gm...>> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...>> wrote:
>> On 8 November 2017 at 16:17, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm... <mailto:pau...@gm...>> wrote:
>>> I'll go on record disliking "Save other," but that's only one voice.
>> and just one voice from me too, hence the reason for raising the matter on-list.
>>
>>
>> In my production use of Audacity I find myself increasingly disliking the two clicks to get to the Exports
>> and indeed, even now having to remember to use Save Other (a "Save" command to make an "Export").
>>
>> Firing up 2.1.3 again makes me long for the key Export commands (Audio, Multiple, Selected).
>>
>> In 2.2.0/2.2.1 I do not value the Export as MP3, Export as WAV and Export as OGG, always using the
>> Export Audio.
>>
>>
>> But if we do keep these three (sub)commands then I strongly think that we should have pre-assigned shortcuts
>> for them - especially of they stay in a sub-menu.
>>
>> It is quite difficult to set shortcuts - and horrendously difficult trying to find available unused ones.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>   
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>> I see no reason not to pul at least Export Audio and Export Multiple to the top level of the File Menu and
>> replacing the !"Save Other" with "Export Other".
>>
>> This is my user-POV
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>> Maybe Forum should decide, but maybe you get a biased sample, those
>>> disliking the change more likely to say so.
>> Most definitely so, but more than just "not liking the change". We are
>> getting feedback that users are confused by the fact that they can't
>> find where / how to export.
>>
>>
>> We do have to remember, as you Steve used to point out to Gale, that a small no of posters on the Forum
>> is a *very* small sample of our user base.
>>
>> One of the posters today did ask about customizable menus - is that still in your thinking James?
>>
>> Peter.
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>>   
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>>> I do not require or prohibit this change.  If someone decides to change it,
>>> I hope you reuse an already internationalized string _("Export") so .pot
>>> doesn't need another update.
>> Good point.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>> PRL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:13 AM, James Crook <cr...@in... <mailto:cr...@in...>> wrote:
>>>> On 11/8/2017 3:50 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
>>>>> On 8 November 2017 at 15:40, James Crook <cr...@in... <mailto:cr...@in...>> wrote:
>>>>>> Doer decides?  You can change it - though perhaps formally get Paul's OK
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> do it since he is (or will be) 2.2.1 RM?  I care about the menus being
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> better organised than they were, not about every single detail.  And if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> do change it, you'll be taking responsibility for all those
>>>>>> inexperienced
>>>>>> users who don't find how to 'Save' as wav!
>>>>> Sure, but we're a team, right?
>>>>> We have some (admittedly limited) feedback, and I've cast my 2c.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I agree that the menu reorganisation is the more important (and
>>>>> much improved) part, so just talking details here.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do others think? "Save Other" or "Export" or something else?
>>>>> Assuming  that the rest of the File menu remains the same, I'm +1 for
>>>>> "Export"
>>>> If we're voting I'm -1 on it changing from "Save Other" - but if it were
>>>> just us two voting and no one else, then I think it should change.  I think
>>>> I am right in my choice, but I don't think you are terribly misguidedly
>>>> wrong in yours, and the (small) inconvenience to inexperienced users matters
>>>> less to me than you wanting to change it, because of feedback you have
>>>> received, and not being able to.
>>>>
>>>> By contrast I do care a lot more about record-beside and record-below,
>>>> which we also disagree on.  If it came to a vote I would put energy into
>>>> getting consensus on my side about record-beside being the default.
>>>>
>>>> --James.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, I would also like to condense the two optional extra-menus
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> one.  However, if I do that it's for 2.2.2 rather than 2.2.1 given the
>>>>>> timescales.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --James.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/8/2017 3:04 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
>>>>>>> We're getting quite a few people asking how to export a normal audio
>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would seem that renaming "Export" as "Save Other" has created as
>>>>>>> much confusion  as it resolved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My personal view is that with the current File menu layout, the least
>>>>>>> confusing would be to rename "Save Other" back to "Export". Imo, the
>>>>>>> reduced size of the menu and improved menu order does enough to draw
>>>>>>> attention to the Export menu item without removing the "E" word.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve