Re: [Audacity-quality] Exporting audio files

[Paul L. <pau...@gm...>]

A bit of unscientific polling of the discussion group I manage:

33 votes against "Save Other"
8 neutral
7 in favor

That seems like a large margin of preference for the old name.

Must it be fixed in 2.2.1?  Just changing the sub-menu name to "Export" may
be done, and that string is already in the .pot files.  However, we might
want to put an accelerator in it with & which would add a string, and I
would have to ask -translation for another minor update.

More ambitious menu reorganizations -- I'd punt that to 2.2.2.

PRL


On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Peter Sampson <
pet...@gm...> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Peter Sampson <petersampsonaudacity@gmail.
> com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Steve the Fiddle <
>> ste...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 November 2017 at 16:17, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I'll go on record disliking "Save other," but that's only one voice.
>>>
>>> and just one voice from me too, hence the reason for raising the matter
>>> on-list.
>>>
>>
>>
>> In my production use of Audacity I find myself increasingly disliking the
>> two clicks to get to the Exports
>> and indeed, even now having to remember to use Save Other (a "Save"
>> command to make an "Export").
>>
>> Firing up 2.1.3 again makes me long for the key Export commands (Audio,
>> Multiple, Selected).
>>
>> In 2.2.0/2.2.1 I do not value the Export as MP3, Export as WAV and Export
>> as OGG, always using the
>> Export Audio.
>>
>
>
> But if we do keep these three (sub)commands then I strongly think that we
> should have pre-assigned shortcuts
> for them - especially of they stay in a sub-menu.
>
> It is quite difficult to set shortcuts - and horrendously difficult trying
> to find available unused ones.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I see no reason not to pul at least Export Audio and Export Multiple to
>> the top level of the File Menu and
>> replacing the !"Save Other" with "Export Other".
>>
>> This is my user-POV
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Maybe Forum should decide, but maybe you get a biased sample, those
>>> > disliking the change more likely to say so.
>>>
>>> Most definitely so, but more than just "not liking the change". We are
>>> getting feedback that users are confused by the fact that they can't
>>> find where / how to export.
>>>
>>
>>
>> We do have to remember, as you Steve used to point out to Gale, that a
>> small no of posters on the Forum
>> is a *very* small sample of our user base.
>>
>> One of the posters today did ask about customizable menus - is that still
>> in your thinking James?
>>
>> Peter.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > I do not require or prohibit this change.  If someone decides to
>>> change it,
>>> > I hope you reuse an already internationalized string _("Export") so
>>> .pot
>>> > doesn't need another update.
>>>
>>> Good point.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> >
>>> > PRL
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:13 AM, James Crook <cr...@in...> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/8/2017 3:50 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 8 November 2017 at 15:40, James Crook <cr...@in...> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Doer decides?  You can change it - though perhaps formally get
>>> Paul's OK
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> do it since he is (or will be) 2.2.1 RM?  I care about the menus
>>> being
>>> >>>> much
>>> >>>> better organised than they were, not about every single detail.
>>> And if
>>> >>>> you
>>> >>>> do change it, you'll be taking responsibility for all those
>>> >>>> inexperienced
>>> >>>> users who don't find how to 'Save' as wav!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sure, but we're a team, right?
>>> >>> We have some (admittedly limited) feedback, and I've cast my 2c.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Yes I agree that the menu reorganisation is the more important (and
>>> >>> much improved) part, so just talking details here.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What do others think? "Save Other" or "Export" or something else?
>>> >>> Assuming  that the rest of the File menu remains the same, I'm +1 for
>>> >>> "Export"
>>> >>
>>> >> If we're voting I'm -1 on it changing from "Save Other" - but if it
>>> were
>>> >> just us two voting and no one else, then I think it should change.  I
>>> think
>>> >> I am right in my choice, but I don't think you are terribly
>>> misguidedly
>>> >> wrong in yours, and the (small) inconvenience to inexperienced users
>>> matters
>>> >> less to me than you wanting to change it, because of feedback you have
>>> >> received, and not being able to.
>>> >>
>>> >> By contrast I do care a lot more about record-beside and record-below,
>>> >> which we also disagree on.  If it came to a vote I would put energy
>>> into
>>> >> getting consensus on my side about record-beside being the default.
>>> >>
>>> >> --James.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Steve
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> By the way, I would also like to condense the two optional
>>> extra-menus
>>> >>>> into
>>> >>>> one.  However, if I do that it's for 2.2.2 rather than 2.2.1 given
>>> the
>>> >>>> timescales.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --James.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 11/8/2017 3:04 PM, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> We're getting quite a few people asking how to export a normal
>>> audio
>>> >>>>> file.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> It would seem that renaming "Export" as "Save Other" has created as
>>> >>>>> much confusion  as it resolved.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> My personal view is that with the current File menu layout, the
>>> least
>>> >>>>> confusing would be to rename "Save Other" back to "Export". Imo,
>>> the
>>> >>>>> reduced size of the menu and improved menu order does enough to
>>> draw
>>> >>>>> attention to the Export menu item without removing the "E" word.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Steve
>>> >>
>>> >>
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