Re: [Audacity-quality] Alternative to SoundFlower

[Peter S. <pet...@gm...>]

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Peter Sampson <
pet...@gm...> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Steve the Fiddle <
> ste...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> On 31 October 2017 at 12:40, Peter Sampson
>> <pet...@gm...> wrote:
>> > Thanks for that Steve.
>> >
>> > So are you suggesting that we move the detailed Soundflower instructions
>> > from this Manual Page:
>> > http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/tutorial_recording_comput
>> er_playback_on_mac.html
>> >
>> > To the Wiki - maybe this page:
>> > http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X
>>
>> Given that SoundFlower is obsolete and unsupported, I'd suggest
>> removing it from our documentation altogether, other than perhaps to
>> update any mentions in the wiki to the effect that SoundFlower is
>> obsolete and unsupported.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > with a mention of Soundflower in th Manual and link to Wiki ?
>> >
>> >
>> > And should we also be mentioning iShowU Audio Capture in the Manual -
>> with
>> > details similarly in the Wiki.
>>
>> Personally I would keep references to third part applications in the
>> manual very generalised - just refer to them as "third party
>> applications" and link to the wiki. Then, if for example some third
>> party application becomes evil, we can expunge it from the wiki and we
>> are not then advertising evil software. If it's in the manual, then it
>> is in that version of the manual for all time.
>>
>> I think the guiding principle should be that the Audacity manual is
>> only about Audacity. Any documentation that we wish to provide
>> regarding third party software goes into the wiki.
>>
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>
> That, to me, looks like a sound guiding principle.
>
> Too late now, sadly, for the upcoming 2.2.0 Manual - but I can work on
> that principle thereafter.
>
> Anybody disagree?
>


BTW this was precisely the principle we applied when pitting together the
MIDI playback page for 2.2.0:
http://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man/Note_Tracks#can_do

Peter



>
> Thanks,
> Peter.
>
>
>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Note that Gale commented (P1) a while back that that Wiki page needs
>> some
>> > serious TLC updating - this would be the opportunity to work on that
>> (after
>> > 2.2.0 is out the door).
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Peter
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Steve the Fiddle
>> > <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 31 October 2017 at 12:08, Peter Sampson
>> >> <pet...@gm...> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Cliff Scott <fly...@gm...>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Peter,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have that one,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Cliff,
>> >> >
>> >> > Ahhh - so have you tried that new one?  If so, how does it compare to
>> >> > Soundflower?
>> >> >
>> >> > Do we need to update the Soundflower advice in the Manual (after
>> >> > Release!)
>> >> > for the signed one for High Sierra?
>> >> >
>> >> > http://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man/Tutorial_-_Recording
>> _Computer_Playback_on_Mac
>> >>
>> >> I've tried "iShowU Audio Capture" on Sierra.
>> >> Installation was very straightforward following the instructions for
>> >> Sierra on the Shinywhitebox website.
>> >>
>> >> The one thing that they don't say, is how to use iShowU Audio Capture
>> >> with Audacity, but it is very straightforward:
>> >>
>> >> If you need to hear what you are recording (which will usually be the
>> >> case), you need to set up a "Multi-Output Device" in "Audio MIDI
>> >> Setup".
>> >> The Multi-Output device needs to have the "iShowU Audio Capture"
>> >> device as one output device, plus whatever physical audio device you
>> >> wish to use for playback.
>> >>
>> >> Once that's set up, just select the Multi-Output Device as the default
>> >> playback device, then Audacity can capture whatever is playing on the
>> >> computer by selecting "iShowU Audio Capture"
>> >> as the recording device. And that's all.
>> >>
>> >> So far it seems much more stable and easier than SoundFlower.
>> >>
>> >> "Do we need to update the manual?"
>> >> We really shouldn't be talking about third party software in the
>> >> manual, other than to say that third party software is available, then
>> >> link to the wiki.
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Peter.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was asking about the "improved" soundflower. I eventually found
>> it.
>> >> >> All
>> >> >> that was done was a third party made a signed package so High Sierra
>> >> >> wouldn't reject it. No other changes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cliff
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Oct 31, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Peter Sampson
>> >> >> <pet...@gm...> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cliff,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> the link is in Steve's initial post in this thread - where he wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >The new app is called "iShowU Audio Capture" and is available here:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > https://support.shinywhitebox.com/hc/en-us/articles/20416145
>> 9-Installing-iShowU-Audio-Capture
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I've not tested it yet, but sounds like it could be a better option
>> >> >> > than
>> >> >> > SoundFlower.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Peter.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:02 AM, Cliff Scott <fly...@gm...>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Bill,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Do you have a link to where to find the new Soundflower? Doing a
>> >> >>> search
>> >> >>> all I come up with are older versions.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Cliff
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Bill Wharrie <bi...@go...>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> AFAICT they’ve tweaked Soundflower to work with High Sierra and
>> >> >>> rebranded
>> >> >>> it. They used to bundle Soundflower with their product.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I have no trouble using Soundflower 2.0b2 on El Capitan. Since
>> you’re
>> >> >>> running High Sierra, why don’t you download it and try it out?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> — Bill
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 2017/10/30, at 7:45 AM, Peter Sampson
>> >> >>> <pet...@gm...>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Any thoughts in this Bill?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Peter
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Steve the Fiddle
>> >> >>> <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> A forum user mentioned a new (modern) alternative to the
>> (obsolete)
>> >> >>>> SoundFlower app for MacOS. The new app is called "iShowU Audio
>> >> >>>> Capture" and
>> >> >>>> is available here:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> https://support.shinywhitebox.com/hc/en-us/articles/20416145
>> 9-Installing-iShowU-Audio-Capture
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I've not tested it yet, but sounds like it could be a better
>> option
>> >> >>>> than
>> >> >>>> SoundFlower.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Steve
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
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