Re: [Audacity-quality] Getting MIDI playback on MAc with Audacity

[Paul L. <pau...@gm...>]

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...>
wrote:

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> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...>
> wrote:
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>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Steve the Fiddle <
>> ste...@gm...> wrote:
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>>> On 25 July 2017 at 19:26, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Steve the Fiddle <
>>> ste...@gm...>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> It was GarageBand that lead me to (wrongly) believe that Audacity was
>>> >> not sending "All note off" messages.
>>> >> I'd not suggested GarrageBand because (for me at least) it's very easy
>>> >> to get notes stuck on (playing forever).
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Ah, so you must have known what I just discovered about making
>>> GarageBand
>>> > listen to Audacity's MIDI events.
>>> >
>>> > Could there be a defect on GarageBand's side?
>>>
>>> Looks like that to me, though possibly a "limitation" rather than
>>> "defect". GB is not really designed for this, and it does have MIDI
>>> Reset for its own use.
>>>
>>> It's normal for MIDI files to sound different depending on the synth.
>>> As an analogy, think of MIDI as the musical score, and the synth as
>>> the instrument playing that score (music played on a trombone will
>>> sound very different from the same musical score played on a flute)
>>>
>>
>> Where is GB' panic button?  I have been hitting command + delete to get
>> rid of the stuck instrument.
>>
>> There is this reference of MIDI codes: https://www.midi.org/sp
>> ecifications/item/table-1-summary-of-midi-message
>>
>> And if you examine AudioIO::AllNotesOff, you see that we send 0xB0 (which
>> is binary 10110000) plus channel, and 0x7B (which is decimal 123), which is
>> the correct notes-off message according to that table.
>>
>> So yes, maybe we can blame GarageBand.  However, if we want to encourage
>> naive users (like me!  And dare I say Peter!) to play with Audacity + GB,
>> then maybe we can code a workaround.  Send all pending single notes-off
>> messages, which GB properly interprets, when we pause or stop.
>>
>> PRL
>>
>>
> ... aaaaaand done, at 07ea0ae03fa51765e791919ccb6d654f2ae88000
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> This works for me:  now with GarageBand as my synth, Audacity's pause and
> stop buttons cause quiet, even when I choose a pipe organ sound.
>
> Please, try this out on other than Mac and with other output devices, to
> be sure there are no other ill-consequences.
>
> If this works, I think this is a P1 bug averted before we file it, and
> then we might suggest GarageBand for naive users?
>
> PRL
>

Well, I have more reflections about GarageBand as the synth.

In short, I think GarageBand makes Audacity look dumb, when it's really
GarageBand being dumb.

The thing I just fixed is one example: GarageBand not implementing the
all-notes-off protocol, so that Audacity's Pause and Stop appeared to have
a bug in them.  They didn't, but I wrote a workaround just for GB.

The other example is this.  I am using for test purposes a MIDI file of an
orchestral piece with ten of 16 channels used.  When GarageBand opens the
MIDI file directly, it splits it into several separate instrument tracks.
When you play the same file from Audacity, GarageBand makes only one
instrument track, and I haven't found out how to split it up.

I know the information about separate channels, and even the names of the
instruments, is not lost in the MIDI stream Audacity emits, because
SimpleSynth, despite the simple interface, is smart enough to separate the
channels and let you vary the timbres independently.

So GarageBand, though it is prettier, is dumber about MIDI in a stream that
it doesn't open from a file, but instead listens to from another
application.

Unless there is some advanced feature of it I just can't easily find.

The short of it being, maybe it is better to recommend SimpleSynth after
all.

Or sforzando?  Which I have not yet tried.

PRL



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>>> Steve
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>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 25 July 2017 at 18:46, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Peter Sampson
>>> >> > <pet...@gm...> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Paul Licameli
>>> >> >> <pau...@gm...>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Steve the Fiddle
>>> >> >>> <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> On 25 July 2017 at 16:31, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...
>>> >
>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Peter Sampson
>>> >> >>>> > <pet...@gm...> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> I wrote yesterday in an ednote on the draft page:
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Peter 24Jul17: I have grave reservations about us
>>> recommending a
>>> >> >>>> >> package
>>> >> >>>> >> like this whose website shows that it has not been
>>> >> >>>> >> maintained/updated
>>> >> >>>> >> since
>>> >> >>>> >> 5th September 2009.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> As you can see from Bill's response to me in that last email
>>> in
>>> >> >>>> >> this
>>> >> >>>> >> thread, he
>>> >> >>>> >> shares my misgivings in regard to this.
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > I take Roger as more expert in this than any of us.  Did he
>>> not say
>>> >> >>>> > he
>>> >> >>>> > still
>>> >> >>>> > recommends SimpleSynth to students?  So why not let our manual
>>> do
>>> >> >>>> > the
>>> >> >>>> > same?
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > So the concern is that the SimpleSynth project seems dormant
>>> (or
>>> >> >>>> > nicely
>>> >> >>>> > stable?) since 2009.  Can Roger recommend another more up to
>>> date,
>>> >> >>>> > recently
>>> >> >>>> > maintained, and reputable third party software synth for
>>> mention in
>>> >> >>>> > our
>>> >> >>>> > manual?
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > How is this so unlike our manual's recommendation of other
>>> >> >>>> > third-party
>>> >> >>>> > software such as LAME?
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> LAME is still actively developed / maintained, we know who
>>> builds the
>>> >> >>>> version that we suggest to our users, and the source code is
>>> freely
>>> >> >>>> available.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Experience has taught us to be cautious about recommending third
>>> >> >>>> party
>>> >> >>>> software.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> The more I think about it, the more concerned I am about us
>>> >> >>>> >> needing
>>> >> >>>> >> to
>>> >> >>>> >> recommend
>>> >> >>>> >> unknown third-party software downloads like this to our users
>>> -
>>> >> >>>> >> and
>>> >> >>>> >> indeed
>>> >> >>>> >> software
>>> >> >>>> >> that is no longer maintained and tended.
>>> >> >>>> >> I do have grave misgivings about this.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> One thing I do note is that my Mac will quite happily play
>>> MIDI
>>> >> >>>> >> files
>>> >> >>>> >> without the need or
>>> >> >>>> >> any of the setup in the frafft document I made yesterday.
>>> >> >>>> >> Double-clicking
>>> >> >>>> >> on a MIDI file
>>> >> >>>> >> jus loads it straight into Garageband where it happily just ne
>>> >> >>>> >> played
>>> >> >>>> >> with
>>> >> >>>> >> no other
>>> >> >>>> >> intervention - so my thinking is:  if Garageband can do that,
>>> why
>>> >> >>>> >> can't
>>> >> >>>> >> Audacity?
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Thoughts please.
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > My understanding is that Garageband must have its own internal
>>> MIDI
>>> >> >>>> > renderer.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Yes it does.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Eureka!  GarageBand can play the MIDI stream that Audacity emits!
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> This discovery was not obvious, even after reading several of
>>> >> >>> GarageBand's help pages, while loop-playing some MIDI silently in
>>> >> >>> Audacity.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> But then I ignored the help pages and right-clicked on one of the
>>> >> >>> track
>>> >> >>> headers in the display, and chose "New Software Instrument Track."
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Voila!  A new instrument appeared in the display, and I heard the
>>> >> >>> music,
>>> >> >>> as electric piano.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Now I am not familiar enough with GarageBand to separate the input
>>> >> >>> channels that it is playing and vary the instruments as I can with
>>> >> >>> SimpleSynth.  Or, to get GarageBand to display the same as it
>>> would if
>>> >> >>> I
>>> >> >>> opened the MIDI file directly.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> But this is something.  You CAN do it on a Macbook just with
>>> what's in
>>> >> >>> the box.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> And the steps to reproduce are ...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Please.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > As I said, there is a right button context menu if you click above
>>> any
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > the volume sliders of the track.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Or even easier:  Alt+Command+S.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > PRL
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Peter.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> PRL
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > And that makes Garageband an inherently more heavy-weight
>>> program
>>> >> >>>> > for
>>> >> >>>> > MIDI
>>> >> >>>> > play than ours should aspire to be, certainly for this release.
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > Making Audacity do what Garageband does would entail adding
>>> more
>>> >> >>>> > third-party
>>> >> >>>> > libraries to our build, wouldn't it?  Not gonna happen in
>>> 2.2.0.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> There are some other third party options that I've been looking
>>> at,
>>> >> >>>> but we've had very little time to research this as MIDI playback
>>> has
>>> >> >>>> only been working on macOS for such a short time. Perhaps we
>>> need to
>>> >> >>>> link the manual to a page on the wiki so that we can continue to
>>> >> >>>> update the Mac documentation after release?
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Steve
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > PRL
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Peter.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Bill Wharrie <
>>> bi...@go...>
>>> >> >>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> Peter:
>>> >> >>>> >>> I totally agree with your reservations regarding SimpleSynth
>>> not
>>> >> >>>> >>> having
>>> >> >>>> >>> been updated since 2009.
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> I’m on El Capitan (still) and I have a “MIDI Studio” window
>>> that
>>> >> >>>> >>> looks
>>> >> >>>> >>> somewhat different from yours.
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> Anyway, I’m not keen to install SimpleSynth on my “working”
>>> >> >>>> >>> working
>>> >> >>>> >>> computer until I know more about it.
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> — Bill
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> On 2017/07/24, at 1:50 PM, Peter Sampson
>>> >> >>>> >>> <pet...@gm...>
>>> >> >>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> I had another long tortuous afternoon writing up some draft
>>> >> >>>> >>> instructions
>>> >> >>>> >>> for getting MIDI playback to work on Mac;
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man/User:PeterSampson/MIDI_play
>>> back_on_Mac
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> I fell well into the bear trap of not restarting the
>>> softwware
>>> >> >>>> >>> synth
>>> >> >>>> >>> after I reboooted
>>> >> >>>> >>> my Mac  - ann eventual proper read of what I'd written
>>> earlier
>>> >> >>>> >>> helped me
>>> >> >>>> >>> climb
>>> >> >>>> >>> out of that trap (shortly before I was about to shout "HELP"
>>> >> >>>> >>> embarrasssingly).
>>> >> >>>> >>> So I added a note about that on the page.
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> It would help me if another Mac user could road-test the
>>> >> >>>> >>> instructions on
>>> >> >>>> >>> this page.
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> (more comments inline)
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> Cheers,
>>> >> >>>> >>> Peter.
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Steve the Fiddle
>>> >> >>>> >>> <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> I don't currently have hardware set up to test, but I'd
>>> guess
>>> >> >>>> >>>> that
>>> >> >>>> >>>> on
>>> >> >>>> >>>> both Windows and Linux, if the user has a soundcard that
>>> has an
>>> >> >>>> >>>> on-board MIDI synth, that will be available to Audacity
>>> "out of
>>> >> >>>> >>>> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>> box". Most of the old SoundBlaster cards had an on-board
>>> MIDI
>>> >> >>>> >>>> synth,
>>> >> >>>> >>>> though I don't know if current ones do. Has anyone tested
>>> this?
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> My laptop has a Realtek soundcard - I have no idea if that is
>>> >> >>>> >>> MIDI
>>> >> >>>> >>> enabled
>>> >> >>>> >>> or if that was what made MIDI playback just work on my
>>> laptop.
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> If I get some time later I can try my XP engine, which has no
>>> >> >>>> >>> onboard
>>> >> >>>> >>> soundcard,
>>> >> >>>> >>> with and without my Edirol external USN soundcard.
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>> Peter.
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> Steve
>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> On 23 July 2017 at 18:32, Peter Sampson
>>> >> >>>> >>>> <pet...@gm...>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>> > The other really odd thing is that on the Mac, just
>>> >> >>>> >>>> > double-clicking
>>> >> >>>> >>>> > on a MIDI file (before the arm-wrestling installation
>>> tweaks)
>>> >> >>>> >>>> > just
>>> >> >>>> >>>> > sweetly opens it up in Garageband wher it plays nicely.
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >>>> > On Windows double-clicking on a MIDI file just plays it
>>> (with
>>> >> >>>> >>>> > WMP)
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >>>> > Peter.
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >>>> > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Peter Sampson
>>> >> >>>> >>>> > <pet...@gm...> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> Well after a long and extremely tortuous bout of
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> arm-wrestling
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> with
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> my
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> Macbook I finally managed to wring some MIDI sound out it
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> with
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> an
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> Audacity Note track.  But getting there was very painful.
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> This was "following" the instructions that Paul gave me
>>> (and
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> that we
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> currently have in the Manual):
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> http://alphamanual.audacitytea
>>> m.org/man/Playing_and_Recording#midi
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> That link he recommends there requires a lot of (shall we
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> say)
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> interpretation.
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> I'm thinking I'll have to write a set of notes for Mac -
>>> one
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> which
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> normal humans can understand.
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> Steve is writing a similar set of notes for MIDI setup on
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> Linux
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> with
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> Timidity.
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> Not sure yet whether such notes should be in the Manual
>>> or in
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> Wiki
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> and linked to from the Manual - I really can't decide
>>> right
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> now.
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> On W10 it just worked straight out of the box - no
>>> installing
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> extra
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> stuff,
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> no tweaking
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> just import the MIDI file into a Note track and press
>>> Play -
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> out
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> comes the
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> sound ...
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> Thoughts please.
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> Peter.
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> >>>> >
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