Re: [Audacity-quality] Critique of new 2.2.0 menu structure
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From: David B. <drb...@gm...> - 2017-03-25 20:41:02
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On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 9:20 AM, David Bailes <drb...@gm...> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Steve the Fiddle < > ste...@gm...> wrote: > >> On 25 March 2017 at 08:35, David Bailes <drb...@gm...> wrote: >> > On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Steve the Fiddle >> > <ste...@gm...> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 24 March 2017 at 10:14, David Bailes <drb...@gm...> wrote: >> >> > On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Gale Andrews <ga...@au... >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, cascades are a liability with Track Pads of any sort. And there >> >> >> well >> >> >> be some complaints about "extra navigation". >> >> >> >> >> >> The Zoom commands look to be the worst offender for an arguably >> >> >> un-necessary cascade. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > These are the Microsoft guidelines for menus: >> >> > >> >> > https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dn7 >> 42392(v=vs.85).aspx#menu_item_organization_and_order >> >> > >> >> > They suggest using two levels of sub menus should be rare. I don't >> think >> >> > having the align commands down two levels is a good idea, as they are >> >> > frequently used by keyboard users, and don't have default shortcuts. >> >> >> >> Ergonomically I think the best solution would be to have all of the >> >> align commands in one sub-menu, but how to name the command in just a >> >> few words: "Move Track to Start to Cursor / Selection Start and move >> >> Selection with Track"? >> > >> > >> > the naming wouldn't be easy, would it. >> > If it's not possible to get some sensible naming sorted out, then I >> think >> > the align commands should remain on two sub menus as they are now. >> Having >> > the align commands down two levels is not user friendly. >> >> I agree that it is not user friendly to push these commands down two >> levels, but it also strikes me as poor design to have two top level >> menu items for commands that are almost identical. When something >> looks like poor design, it is usually an indication that it needs to >> be thought through differently. >> >> As there are so many ways of "aligning", perhaps "aligning" should be >> a dialog, with assignable global shortcuts for convenience. >> > > The existing structure is good enough. > Audacity have very few resources for development. > Is this something that needs to take up discussion and development time? > Think of all the existing bugs. > Think of all the new features that users might want (including improved > accessibility, which is sadly still lacking in a number of areas). > Steve, I'm sorry for overreacting. David. > > David. > > >> >> Steve >> >> > >> > David. >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> > >> >> > David. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gale >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 23 March 2017 at 20:43, Cliff Scott <fly...@gm...> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Peter Sampson >> >> >> >> <pet...@gm...> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cliff wrote: >> >> >> >> >I prefer the long menus for the reason is >> >> >> >> >that they are much faster to find what you want >> >> >> >> >and less clicks to get something done >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cliff, even with the cascaded submenus there should only be a >> >> >> >> single-click to >> >> >> >> activate any effect you want. Hover the nmouse over the >> "Effects" >> >> >> >> - >> >> >> >> then hover >> >> >> >> over "Audacity" or "Nyquist" then click on the required effect. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Of course you can click on "Effects", then click on "Audacity" or >> >> >> >> "Nyquist" and >> >> >> >> then click on the required effect, three clicks - but as above >> only >> >> >> >> one >> >> >> >> click is >> >> >> >> really necessary. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So with the cascaded menus it's mouse moves and then one click. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> With the full long menu it's still mouse moves and then a single >> >> >> >> click >> >> >> >> - but often >> >> >> >> it's also a vertical scroll - so I contend the single longer >> menu is >> >> >> >> often actually >> >> >> >> harder work to get to the effect you want ;-)) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Cascaded menus are a help, but since I use a track pad and don't >> >> >> > always >> >> >> > move the cursor exactly horizontal sometimes it slips off the >> desired >> >> >> > group >> >> >> > and I have to go back and try again. I know, just bring the mouse >> >> >> > down on >> >> >> > the right side at the arrow to solve the problem, but I naturally >> >> >> > drop down >> >> >> > to the name then over to get to the menu. Guess it is just my >> problem >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > have to retrain my thinking. :) FireFox does the same thing and it >> >> >> > bugs me. >> >> >> > Would be nice if the cascade had a 1 second or so pause before >> moving >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > another popout side menu so if the mouse tracking wasn't exactly >> >> >> > horizontal >> >> >> > I would still get the right menu. No one else has this problem I'm >> >> >> > sure. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Cliff >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hence my desire to see "Grouped by type" to be the new default. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Peter. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> >> >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> >> >> >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://sdm.link/slashdot____________________________________ >> ___________ >> >> >> >> Audacity-quality mailing list >> >> >> >> Aud...@li... >> >> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> >> >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> >> >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > Audacity-quality mailing list >> >> >> > Aud...@li... >> >> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> >> >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Audacity-quality mailing list >> >> >> Aud...@li... >> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Audacity-quality mailing list >> >> > Aud...@li... >> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Audacity-quality mailing list >> >> Aud...@li... >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Audacity-quality mailing list >> > Aud...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Audacity-quality mailing list >> Aud...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> > > |