Re: [Audacity-quality] Critique of new 2.2.0 menu structure

[Peter S. <pet...@gm...>]

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Gale Andrews <ga...@au...> wrote:

> Yes, cascades are a liability with Track Pads of any sort. And there well
> be some complaints about "extra navigation".
>
> The Zoom commands look to be the worst offender for an arguably
> un-necessary cascade.
>

Yes, but the zoom commands in the menu aslso have buttons in the Edit
Toolbar
(apart from the zoom normal that is)..

And all have pre-assigned documented shortcuts (apart from zoom to fit that
is).

Plus there is the zoom tool and zooming via the mouse scoll wheel.

So it seems to me that cascading the zoom menu should not inconvenience too
many people as I'm pretty sure most of them use the bottons or the
shortcuts.
I know that I for one have never used zoom from the menu (except in
documenting
od QA testing) as it's much easier to use the other tools.

And those that do choose to use it should soon see the shortcuts abd
realize just
jow valuable they are to aid faster working.

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Also on a closely related topic, Inote that the Edit Toolbar lacks a button
for "Zoom
Normal" which is a function which I'm sure many of us use a lot. I
certainly do, using
the Ctrl+2 chortcut (which I learned very early on).  This is one of the
reasons that
a while back I wrote the Proposal for splitting off the Zoom functions into
their own
toolbar and adding additional zoom functionality to such a Zoom Toolbar.
See:
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Proposal_new_Zoom_Toolbar

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> ... cascades are a liability with Track Pads of any sort

Indeed, many things on most applications are a liability with a trackpad ...

I hate the darn things, only using them when absolutely necessary when no
mouse
is available.

Peter.


>
> Gale
>
>
> On 23 March 2017 at 20:43, Cliff Scott <fly...@gm...> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Peter Sampson <petersampsonaudacity@gmail.
> com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Cliff wrote:
> >> >I prefer the long menus for the reason is
> >> >that they are much faster to find what you want
> >> >and less clicks to get something done
> >>
> >> Cliff, even with the cascaded submenus there should only be a
> single-click to
> >> activate any effect you want.  Hover the nmouse over the "Effects"  -
> then hover
> >> over "Audacity" or "Nyquist" then click on the required effect.
> >>
> >> Of course you can click on "Effects", then click on "Audacity" or
> "Nyquist" and
> >> then click on the required effect, three clicks - but as above only one
> click is
> >> really necessary.
> >>
> >> So with the cascaded menus it's mouse moves and then one click.
> >>
> >> With the full long menu it's still mouse moves and then a single click
> - but often
> >> it's also a vertical scroll - so I contend the single longer menu is
> often  actually
> >> harder work to get to the effect you want  ;-))
> >>
> >
> > Cascaded menus are a help, but since I use a track pad and don't always
> move the cursor exactly horizontal sometimes it slips off the desired group
> and I have to go back and try again. I know, just bring the mouse down on
> the right side at the arrow to solve the problem, but I naturally drop down
> to the name then over to get to the menu. Guess it is just my problem and
> have to retrain my thinking. :) FireFox does the same thing and it bugs me.
> Would be nice if the cascade had a 1 second or so pause before moving to
> another popout side menu so if the mouse tracking wasn't exactly horizontal
> I would still get the right menu. No one else has this problem I'm sure.
> >
> > Cliff
> >
> >>
> >> Hence my desire to see "Grouped by type" to be the new default.
> >>
> >> Peter.
> >>
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