Re: [Audacity-quality] How to set Waveform (dB) the default view

[Steve t. F. <ste...@gm...>]

On 15 August 2015 at 21:03, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> wrote:
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> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm...>
> wrote:
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>> I'd like to suggest that:
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>> Preferences > Tracks > Display
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>
> Do you mean that the tree on the left should be one level deeper or does the
> last refer to the existing static text box?

I'm referring to the existing static text box.

>
>>
>>
>> has the items:
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>> * Update display while playing
>> * Automatically fit tracks vertically zoomed
>> * Default View Mode
>> * Waveform Scale
>> * Spectrogram Scale
>>
>>
>> ("scale" being moved here from the "Waveforms" and "Spectrograms"
>> settings).
>>
>> The reason being so as to group the basic "Display" choices together
>> in one place. This will also make the scale settings easier to find
>> for users that are familiar with previous versions of Audacity, and
>> will remove the need for the sparse "Waveforms" sub-group.
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>
> I don't like it.
>
> Scales should be available in View Settings... for per-track settings, and
> in Preferences for default settings.  If you find them in one place in View
> Settings... , you should expect to find them in the corresponding place in
> Preferences.
>
> What do you think of breaking the Spectrograms page up into two or more?
>
> The "Waveforms" page does look bare, but I am working on adding another
> drop-down to it.  I intend that the "Meter/Waveform dB Range" in Interface
> should no longer affect Waveforms and be renamed.  (Actually it affects the
> Plot Spectrum window too, and determines the sound activated recording
> threshold.)  There will be an independent setting in the Waveforms page, and
> it will likewise have a default but also allow a per-track setting.

I think we should be making the UI simpler not more complicated.

Steve

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> PRL
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>>
>> I'd also like to reiterate that
>> "spectrogram type = frequency"
>> is much more user friendly that
>> "spectrogram algorithm = STFT"
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
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>> On 15 August 2015 at 16:58, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> wrote:
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>> >
>> > On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Steve the Fiddle
>> > <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 15 August 2015 at 03:41, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > It was already the case that Spectrograms preferences affect only the
>> >> > display tracks but have their own separate page.
>> >>
>> >> I wasn't asking about that. I was asking how to set Waveform (dB) as
>> >> the default track view, because I am aware that this is a very
>> >> strongly held preference for many of our users and I couldn't see it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > You said "I expected that preferences that are exclusively for tracks
>> > would
>> > be
>> > in the "tracks" preferences. As this setting is not in the "tracks"
>> > preferences, I wondered whether the setting was not exclusive to
>> > tracks."
>> >
>> > That is why I pointed out that it was already not so, that settings
>> > applying
>> > only to tracks are found only in Tracks Preferences.  Rather, the
>> > spectrograms settings were in another page.
>> >
>> > I like Peter's response that therefore Spectrograms should be in a
>> > subtree
>> > under Tracks and Waveforms with it.  See the latest builds.
>> >
>> > I hope that users accustomed to the drop-down will easily discover how
>> > to
>> > make one track show dB in View Settings.  Once that is understood, I
>> > hope
>> > the new arrangement of Preferences will suggest where to find the
>> > corresponding control for default track settings.
>> >
>> > PRL
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Peter replied but he had also failed to find the appropriate setting.
>> >>
>> >> I failed to find the appropriate setting because I was expecting to
>> >> find it in the "tracks" preferences.
>> >> This is early "user feedback" from alpha testing.
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > PRL
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Steve the Fiddle
>> >> > <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 15 August 2015 at 03:24, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > It affects only the display of tracks.  What else did you think it
>> >> >> > might
>> >> >> > affect?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No idea, that's why I asked.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I expected that preferences that are exclusively for tracks would be
>> >> >> in the "tracks" preferences. As this setting is not in the "tracks"
>> >> >> preferences, I wondered whether the setting was not exclusive to
>> >> >> tracks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > PRL
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Steve the Fiddle
>> >> >> > <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 15 August 2015 at 02:43, Paul Licameli
>> >> >> >> <pau...@gm...>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > What do you mean by the waveform setting?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I mean the one setting in the new "Waveforms" page in
>> >> >> >> Preferences.
>> >> >> >> Does it affect anything other than tracks?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Steve
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Waveform is a choice in the track drop-down, and "Waveforms" is
>> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> > new
>> >> >> >> > page
>> >> >> >> > in Preferences, and that page is also seen in View Settings.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > You can switch the view of a track between waveform and
>> >> >> >> > spectrum
>> >> >> >> > with
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > drop-down, and you can also do that in the View Settings dialog
>> >> >> >> > by
>> >> >> >> > changing
>> >> >> >> > the page and hitting OK or Apply.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I admit the Waveforms page looks rather bare, with only that
>> >> >> >> > one
>> >> >> >> > drop-down
>> >> >> >> > in it.  I have thought that the bottom of the dB scale, which
>> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> > now
>> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> > Interface preferences, might become a per-track setting.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > PRL
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Steve the Fiddle
>> >> >> >> > <ste...@gm...>
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On 14 August 2015 at 18:56, Paul Licameli
>> >> >> >> >> <pau...@gm...>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > In Tracks preferences select Waveform, and in Waveforms
>> >> >> >> >> > preferences,
>> >> >> >> >> > select
>> >> >> >> >> > Logarithmic.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Thanks.
>> >> >> >> >> Does the "Waveform" setting affect anything other than tracks.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Steve
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > PRL
>> >> >> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Steve the Fiddle
>> >> >> >> >> > <ste...@gm...>
>> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> How can the default track view be set to "Waveform (dB)" in
>> >> >> >> >> >> Audacity
>> >> >> >> >> >> 2.1.2?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Steve
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