Re: [Audacity-quality] Beat Finder (was Re: bugs in 'Click Removal')

[Gale A. <ga...@au...>]

| From Vaughan Johnson <va...@au...> 
| Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:48:39 -0800
| Subject: [Audacity-quality] Beat Finder (was Re: bugs in 'Click Removal')
> 
> 
> On 12/21/2013 10:41 AM, Vaughan Johnson wrote:
> > On 12/20/2013 4:33 PM, Gale Andrews wrote:
> >>
> >> | From Vaughan Johnson <va...@au...>
> >> | Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:25:34 -0800
> >> | Subject: [Audacity-quality] Beat Finder (was Re: bugs in 'Click
> >> Removal')
> >>> On 12/18/2013 1:58 PM, Gale Andrews wrote:
> >>>> [...]
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm still OK with removing Beat Finder, especially if our announcement
> >>>> of removing it can suggest something better.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> That conflicts with the principle in keeping 'Click Removal', that
> >>> although it works in only about 1/3 of cases, it's useful to some
> >>> people.
> >>
> >> I don't think I have a principle,
> >
> > No wonder your suggestions are contradictory, then.
> >
> >
> >> rather it's the practical and political
> >> objections to removing Click Removal.
> >
> > This is software, not politics. Obviously, the result of making
> > decisions based on squeaky wheels rather than principle, will be a mess.

We can certainly agree to remove neither Click Removal or 
Beat Finder for now, but I don't think there any contradictions. 

You're (I think) looking at a putative success rate of 1 in 3 
for both Click Removal and Beat Finder. Is a success rate a
good decision base on its own? 

I'm suggesting that there would be lots of complaints if we 
pulled Click Removal when the only choices are to use Repair 
manually or buy proprietary software. 

If we pulled BeatFinder I think there would be very few
complaints but more importantly there are superior, free open
source plug-ins already available. 

Yes it would be inconvenient to have to install a VAMP plug-in
(assuming we don't want to support VAMP in the plug-ins folder), 
but what's the time scale on getting a Nyquist replacement? 

Are you opposed to shipping VAMP plug-ins? 



Gale   


> >> When Click Removal has found 1/3rd or more of the clicks, it's still
> >> saved significant time. But it's unclear (to me) what else you could
> >> do in Audacity to complete beat finding, BeatFinder having found
> >> 1/3rd or less of the beats.
> 
> But if it finds the beats 1/3 of the time, it's useful to some people.
> 
> - V
> 
> 
> >>
> >> You might just as well tap to the beat here:
> >> http://www.all8.com/tools/bpm.htm
> >>
> >> create a click track at that BPM then label it. :=)
> >>
> >>
> >>> If/when an improvement is available, we can replace it.
> >>
> >> Fair enough, but for beatfinder we could suggest decent open source
> >> alternatives now, or even ship them if it was possible to detect VAMP
> >> plug-ins in the Audacity Plug-ins folder.
> >>
> >> We are nowhere near suggesting a decent open source (or even
> >> just free) alternative for Click Removal.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gale
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
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