Re: [Audacity-quality] Concatenate files / Append Import

[Bill W. <bi...@go...>]

There's also the issue of append-import multiple files (similar to how one can currently import multiple files). The user should have control of the import order. For me it appears to import the files in alphabetical file name order, but I don't know if this is consistent on all systems.
-- Bill

On 19/05/2013, at 9:57 AM, Peter Sampson <pet...@ya...> wrote:

> Gale wrote:
> >While I would like to see Tracks > Align End-to-End introduced first 
> >as I assume it is easier to do, I am convinced we need both that 
> >and Append Import ...
> >
> >The way I would envisage Append Import working is that as 
> >opposed to File > Import > Audio and "Apply Chain to Files"
> >processing the files in alphabetical order (irrespective of the 
> >order you actually select them in), Append Import would have
> >its own dialogue where you can select the files and set the 
> >order in which they import end-to-end.
>  
> I agree that we could well do with an "Append Import" in addition
> to Steve's new flexible toolset that is under development - but I
> would envision it working in a much simpler and intuitive way.
>  
> 1)  In a single track project, invoking Append Import would add the
> track to be imported to the end of the existing track.
>  
> 2) In a multi-track project one track must be selected for Append
> Import to be invoked - in which case the imported audio is added
> to the end of the selected track.
>  
> This would seem to be much simpler and more straightforward -
> and more in line with the existing Append Record functionality.
>  
> Error conditions would need to be tracked/trapped:
> 1) only append stereo to stereo (and mono to mono)
> 2) no, or multiple, audio tracks selected (for multi-track projects_
>  
> Peter.
>  
>  
>  
> Peter Sampson
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> From: Gale Andrews <ga...@au...>
> To: audacity-quality <aud...@li...> 
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audacity-quality] Concatenate files / Append Import
> 
> 
> | From James Crook <cr...@in...> 
> | Wed, 15 May 2013 23:23:39 +0100
> | Subject: [Audacity-quality] Concatenate files / Append Import
> > Sounds a great idea Steve, and the patch looks good too.
> > 
> > If no one else gets to it first I'll have a proper look at it at the 
> > weekend.
> 
> I have not tried the patch yet but will do so. 
> 
> While I would like to see Tracks > Align End-to-End introduced first 
> as I assume it is easier to do, I am convinced we need both that 
> and Append Import, then user can choose which method they 
> prefer for the append import case.
> 
> Reordering and then I presume multi-selecting even as few as ten
> full height tracks underneath each other is a pain IMO, and no
> substitute for a proper feature. 
> 
> The way I would envisage Append Import working is that as 
> opposed to File > Import > Audio and "Apply Chain to Files"
> processing the files in alphabetical order (irrespective of the 
> order you actually select them in), Append Import would have
> its own dialogue where you can select the files and set the 
> order in which they import end-to-end. 
> 
> If the order in which you select files in the file browser cannot 
> be made to influence the order in which they will import, then 
> attach a separate dialogue where you can move the files up or 
> down in the import list. 
> 
> 
> 
> Gale  
> 
> 
> > Have you tried it with multiple clips on the same track?
> 
> > --James.
> > 
> > On 15/05/2013 22:48, Steve the Fiddle wrote:
> > > Append Import is a frequent request, but is not without significant
> > > technical and conceptual problems to implement. In particular it would
> > > not be sufficient to simply select multiple files and import them
> > > end-to-end as that takes no account of the order in which they will be
> > > arranged (an aspect which is frequently overlooked by users that
> > > request this feature). Invariably the reason why users request this
> > > feature is because they wish to arrange multiple files end-to end
> > > (concatenate), and in most cases the track order is important.
> > >
> > > I'd like to suggest an alternative approach to this problem which
> > > avoids the complications of importing multiple files in a specified
> > > order.
> > >
> > > Audacity is already able to import multiple audio files, but they are
> > > arranged one above the other. What is missing is the ability to
> > > quickly and easily arrange the imported files end-to-end. This could
> > > be accomplished by extending the functionality of "Tracks > Align
> > > Tracks" with a new option "Align End to End".
> > >
> > > As an example of a common scenario - the user wants to import multiple
> > > tracks and arrange them end-to-end to compile a CD:
> > >
> > > 1) Import tracks
> > > 2) If necessary, reorder the tracks as required (top to bottom).
> > > 3) Tracks > Align Tracks > Align End to End
> > > 4) (optional) Tracks > Mix and Render
> > >
> > > This approach is massively quicker and easier than the current method
> > > of dragging tracks to the right with the Time Shift tool. It also has
> > > significant benefits over "Append Import" in that the tracks remain
> > > separate until the user decides to mix down, providing an opportunity
> > > to adjust level/Eq of individual tracks prior to mixing down.
> > >
> > > Patch attached.
> > >
> > > Personally I think this is a "must have" feature.
> > >
> > > Steve
> 
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