Re: [Audacity-quality] Verbosity in installer dialog.
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From: Vaughan J. <va...@au...> - 2012-02-20 20:13:15
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On 2/19/2012 4:35 PM, Martyn Shaw wrote: > > > On 18/02/2012 22:04, Gale Andrews wrote: >> >> | From James Crook<cr...@in...> >> | Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:34:53 +0000 >> | Subject: [Audacity-quality] Verbosity in installer dialog. >>> audacity-win-2.0rc1.exe >>> >>> (P4?) >>> >>> The audacity executable, which is what you get with the installer, is >>> released under GPL. The fact that we also use the more permissive LGPL, >>> wxWidgets and BSD license for some source code and that this code may be >>> found in a directory called lib-src, which you only get if you also >>> download the source code, is only of interest to programmers who are >>> looking at adapting the source code. And they are not interested in it >>> (or at least I wasn't) when they are installing Audacity to use, only >>> when they are digging into the source code. People who install Audacity >>> executable don't have lib-src at all, so we really should not be >>> demanding that they pay attention to understanding what we are talking >>> about in the installer. >>> >>> This is part of user's initial impressions of Audacity. > > What is displayed by the installer is LICENSE.txt, see > InfoBeforeFile=..\LICENSE.txt > in .iss files :-). > > I'm +1 on James's idea in principle. However in terms of > implementation, what we are displaying with the installer is > LICENSE.txt, so if we change it we lose info available to people who > download the source code and want to go further, which may not be the > right thing to do. By "lose info" do you mean that people might not know Audacity is OSS without that page? If so, we can simply add a descriptive sentence to the first page. The classic would do: "Audacity® is free, open source software for recording and editing sounds." > > We do need to display the GPL though, see the last sentence of this > para of the GPL Preamble: > > " For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether > gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that > you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the > source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their > rights." We already decided a while ago that linking to the website is sufficient for supplying the source code. I think we can do the same for the license. I still think that rather than trimming out the lib-src comments there, we just eliminate the license page in the installer. :-) - V > > Comments on that or an alternative implementation? A LICENSE1.txt > file with the bits we are cutting out? > >> >> I would trim it less drastically and make LICENSE.txt the same as >> the trimmed text. > > see above. > > And no need for "please see here for that". > > Indeed, but is perhaps better English than a hanging URL. > >> >> -1 to the more drastic removal and mismatch with LICENSE.txt. >> My text: >> >> "Note: Audacity is distributed under the terms of the GNU GPL. >> >> Some code (in the lib-src directory in the sources) may be >> released under a different, GPL-compatible license). Please >> see the README.txt file and the license details inside each >> subdirectory of lib-src. > > This rather misses James's point that we don't need to display the > stuff about other licences to the average user, since it is irrelevant > to them, and indeed to the licence of what they are installing. > > TTFN > Martyn > >> Documentation is distributed under the Creative Commons license. >> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode " >> >> >> >> Gale >> >> >>> (then preamble and amble of GPL) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This is the proposed new version: >>> >>> "Audacity is free software distributed under the terms of the GNU GPL. >>> >>> Documentation is distributed under the Creative Commons license. >>> Please see here for that: >>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode" >>> >>> (then preamble and amble of GPL) >>> >>> >>> >>> IF we have to respin the installer for some other reason, THEN I would >>> like us to get this change in. >>> >>> Please +1 or -1. >>> >>> --James. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Virtualization& Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning >> Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing >> also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. >> http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Audacity-quality mailing list >> Aud...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Try before you buy = See our experts in action! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! 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