Re: [Audacity-quality] Nyquist Plug-ins page on SF.net

[Steve t. F. <ste...@gm...>]

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Gale Andrews <ga...@au...> wrote:
>
> | From Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm...>
> | Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:14:26 +0000
> | Subject: [Audacity-quality] Nyquist Plug-ins page on SF.net
>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Gale Andrews <ga...@au...> wrote:
>> >
>> > | From Vaughan Johnson <va...@au...>
>> > | Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:08:30 -0800
>> > | Subject: [Audacity-quality] Nyquist Plug-ins page on SF.net
>> >> Good thoughts. I'm fine with any of those, as long as the lists are
>> >> accessible from and visible on the home site.
>> >
>> > To clarify, the Wiki list of Nyquist plug-ins (larger than the one currently
>> > at http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/nyquistplugins ) would be
>> > accessible from a link on http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/plugins
>> > and could also have a direct navbar link, as discussed.
>> >
>> > However http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/nyquistplugins
>> > would be removed under this proposal, so no lists of Nyquist plug-ins
>> > will be visible on the home site itself.  It's already true that no lists
>> > of VST plug-ins are visible on the home site itself.
>> >
>> > We could as Steve suggested, list on SF.net the Nyquist plug-ins that
>> > are distributed inside Audacity (as examples of what can be done with
>> > this plug-in format), but it seems pointless duplication and extra work
>> > to me. People can see that information by going to the Manual.
>> >
>>
>> I think the main benefit of having a list of plug-ins (those that are
>> distributed in Audacity as standard) on the main Audacity web site
>> (SF.net) is for people that do not yet have Audacity...
>>
>> For someone visiting the Audacity web-site, it's useful for them to
>> get an overview of what Audacity is, what it can do, and what is
>> included with it. A brief description of all effects and plug-ins that
>> are bundled with Audacity is, in my view, part of the "product
>> description" and should be included on the main web site. This could
>> perhaps be a single page that includes all "native" effects as well as
>> all plug-ins that are bundled as standard. It could perhaps be just
>> lists of "Native effects" and "Included Plug-ins", then with links to
>> the manual/wiki for additional information.
>
> What you're describing sounds to me more like:
> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/about/
> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/about/features

Yes, very much like the "features" page, but that page quite long
already, and a full list of all of the included effects (+ Generate
and Analyze?) would make that page extremely long.

>
> which I guess has higher traffic than:
> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/plugins .
>
> If Vaughan's desire is for a "showcase" page about Nyquist plug-ins on
> the main site, I can fully understand and support that, but the current
> page:
> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/nyquistplugins
>
> does not serve that purpose, functionally or aesthetically, which is why
> Edgar and I started the Wiki page for Nyquist downloads. And I thought
> we had tentatively agreed that would replace the equivalent page on
> the main site.

+1

>
> I think we could do more on the "About" pages to highlight Nyquist
> plug-ins and yes, even give a complete list of included effects.
>
> I would still say a summary list of Nyquist effects that are included in
> Audacity, on its own page on the main site, is pointless.

Currently there is a partial list of included effects on the
"features" page that is remarkably understated. Is there any reason
why it could not be a bit more exciting like:

Effects:
Over 30 professional studio effects, including Amplify, Bass Boost,
Equalization, Pitch Shift, Change Tempo, Noise Gate, Dynamics, Phaser,
Echo and VST support.
More about effects <link>

> I could see
> some point in it on some kind of "overview" page about Nyquist plug-ins
> and programming, to replace the out-of-date:
> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/nyquist
>
> (with detailed information and programming help on the Wiki).
>
>
>
>
> Gale
>
>
>
>> For "optional" (download) plug-ins, I think these should definitely be
>> on the wiki and not on SF.net for all the reasons that have been
>> already discussed.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> > I do think we should only have one list of Nyquist plug-ins. It's perfectly
>> > feasible to have them only on SF.net with much the same detail as on the
>> > Wiki, but the maintenance (e.g. adding plug-ins progressed through the
>> > Forum) would be much more inflexible, and no-one would be able to
>> > upload their own plug-in or a link to one as they could on the Wiki. If
>> > anyone actually does that I don't think that means we lose control,
>> > because we can always remove/correct unacceptable plug-ins or links.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Gale
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 2/21/2011 5:39 PM, Gale Andrews wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > | From Vaughan Johnson <va...@au...>
>> >> > | Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:47:19 -0800
>> >> > | Subject: [Audacity-quality] Nyquist Plug-ins page on SF.net
>> >> >> On 2/21/2011 2:25 PM, Gale Andrews wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> | From Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm...>
>> >> >>> | Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:04:26 +0000
>> >> >>> | Subject: [Audacity-quality] Nyquist Plug-ins page on SF.net
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Now that there is a section in the Audacity wiki for downloading
>> >> >>>> Nyquist Plug-ins
>> >> >>>> http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Download_Nyquist_Plug-ins
>> >> >>>> I suggest that the Nyquist Plug-ins page on the main Audacity website
>> >> >>>> is now redundant and should be removed.
>> >> >>>> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/nyquistplugins
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Although the latter page is auto-generated and requires little
>> >> >>>> maintenance, I think it is confusing to users to have two "Download
>> >> >>>> Nyquist Plug-ins" pages.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The wiki page offers several advantages over the SF.Net page. In
>> >> >>>> particular it has a more comprehensive list of plug-ins, it can be
>> >> >>>> easily updated, it has better descriptions of the plug-ins, it is not
>> >> >>>> forced to give prominence to very old (and in some cases buggy)
>> >> >>>> plug-ins and it can be developed further as the number of plug-ins
>> >> >>>> increases.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> As already discussed off-list with Steve, I'm fine with removing the
>> >> >>> SF.net page, as long as the person committing any new plug-ins to SF.net
>> >> >>> hosting remembers (or is reminded) to update the Wiki page. There is
>> >> >>> nothing in the three translatable sentences on the SF.net page that isn't
>> >> >>> already said on:
>> >> >>> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/plugins
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm neutral but fine with it, as long as the "Plug-Ins and Libraries"
>> >> >> entry in the menu/table at left of most pages on audacity.sf.net links
>> >> >> to the wiki page.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks. The left-hand navbar is always specific to the tab you're currently
>> >> > on, so "Plug-Ins and Libraries" will only be visible when you're on:
>> >> > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/
>> >> >
>> >> > or a page inside that.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you click  "Plug-Ins and Libraries"  in that navbar I would envisage it
>> >> > would still go to:
>> >> > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/plugins .
>> >> >
>> >> > In the "Nyquist Plug-Ins" section on the above page, the text "You can
>> >> > download additional Nyquist plug-ins" would link to:
>> >> > http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Download_Nyquist_Plug-ins
>> >> >
>> >> > If we'd like an additional navbar link to the Wiki page (as well as to
>> >> > the existing SF page) then I think we should have an additional link to
>> >> > the Wiki VST page too:
>> >> > http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/VST_Plug-ins
>> >> >
>> >> > There is probably also a very good case for the rather outdated:
>> >> > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/nyquist
>> >> >
>> >> > (which is also linked to from the SF download/plugins page) to be either
>> >> > withdrawn in favour of:
>> >> > http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Nyquist_Plug-ins_Reference
>> >> >
>> >> > or cut back to a single "overview" page. Unfortunately a related Wiki
>> >> > page with "how to's":
>> >> > http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Nyquist_Audio_Programming
>> >> >
>> >> > is a long way from finished yet.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Gale
>> >> >
>
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