RE: [WiX-users] (no subject)

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I hate to complain about a volunteer effort, please think of this as
constructive criticism.  Overall, I think WiX is great but a couple of
the things you said about 3.0 didn't exactly thrill me.

First, why is File/@LongName deprecated?  Generating short names is a
great feature but, some of us specifically enter long and short names,
is that deprecated?  Why?

Also, WiXCop sounds like a great idea but not if it's going to dictate
my indentation size and usage of white space.  Why would it do that?

Thanks,

John Vottero

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wix...@li...=20
> [mailto:wix...@li...] On Behalf Of=20
> Derek Cicerone
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:08 PM
> To: 'Thomas Tomiczek'; wix...@li...
> Subject: RE: [WiX-users] (no subject)
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> It's completely up to you to decide if/when 3.0 is right for=20
> you.  We are
> officially suggesting people stay off it, at least for now=20
> because there
> hasn't really been any good testing yet.  This is mostly due=20
> to the fact
> that no one is using it yet.  So it's a bit of problem=20
> because we need some
> adventurous people to start using it in order to get the=20
> quality up.  We'd
> prefer that these adventurous groups having a ship date that=20
> is pretty far
> out in the future so that if they hit a problem, we have=20
> ample time to fix
> the issue properly.
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> Another big problem with moving to 3.0 too early is that the=20
> schema is being
> moved around a little bit.  The File/@LongName attribute is=20
> deprecated,
> FragmentRef is deprecated, nesting Registry elements under=20
> one another will
> be deprecated, all server-based elements like WebPool,=20
> WebSite, ... have
> moved into an extension, etc...  If you move to 3.0 now, you=20
> risk having to
> update your source code every time you take a new drop of the=20
> toolset in
> order to keep it working properly.  Now, we've made a tool=20
> called WixCop
> which can automate updating your code to these latest=20
> schemas, but it will
> also completely dictate the style of your code be 2-space indentation,
> double-quotes for attributes, and no unnecessary whitespace. =20
> So it's a bit
> disruptive the first time you use WixCop.
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> Another problem with moving to 3.0 is that the wixlib and=20
> wixout files it
> produces are not compatible with WiX 2.0.  You can use a=20
> wixlib file from
> 2.0 in 3.0, but not the other way around.  The wixout files=20
> are completely
> incompatible.  So if you send wixlib files to another team,=20
> they need to
> upgrade to the same version of 3.0 that you are on in order=20
> to be able to
> use it.
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> Derek
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: wix...@li...
> [mailto:wix...@li...] On Behalf Of=20
> Thomas Tomiczek
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:28 AM
> To: wix...@li...
> Subject: [WiX-users] (no subject)
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> Hm, when do you think people with some adventuring willingness could
> start using Wix 3.0? It looks like Wix 3.0 will finally have some
> serious advantages over all the other stuff. As our setups=20
> are currently
> REALLY simple in their feature set (and it does not look like we are
> going to have a lot more complex stuff like db setup etc.=20
> soon), I would
> rather willingly try Wix 3.0.
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> ESPECIALLY when we talk about features like getting rid of=20
> the terrible
> short names :-)
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> I hope you check that one in soon. I have a couple of setups to make
> here. Inherently simple (create folder, copy dll's in, some shortcuts,
> some file stuff). Still I would really love and prefer not to have to
> deal with the idiocy of short file names. So your fix sort of=20
> really is
> something I am drooling for.
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> Thomas
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wix...@li...=20
> > [mailto:wix...@li...] On Behalf Of=20
> > Derek Cicerone
> > Posted At: Freitag, 27. Januar 2006 02:23
> > Posted To: wix-users
> > Conversation: [WiX-users] Any ETA on the Short=20
> > Filenames=3DAutogeneratedHash fix?
> > Subject: RE: [WiX-users] Any ETA on the Short=20
> > Filenames=3DAutogeneratedHash fix?
> >=20
> >=20
> > This is a WiX 3.0-only feature.  We are currently=20
> > discouraging people from using WiX 3.0 until next year=20
> > because this is the active development branch (for instance -=20
> > I recently found a two big problems with auto-generation of=20
> > registry identifiers).  WiX 2.0 should be the toolset for all=20
> > products shipping this year.
> >=20
> > Beyond these warnings, I'm still holding onto the fix because=20
> > I'm worried that I'm missing something (I'm not sure what -=20
> > it's just an intuition).  We also need to have some=20
> > discussions about how this affects the nomenclature of other=20
> > attributes like Directory/@Name and Directory/@LongName. =20
> > I'll try to get it checked in within the next month.
> >=20
> > Derek
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wix...@li...
> > [mailto:wix...@li...] On Behalf Of=20
> > Thomas Tomiczek
> > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:36 AM
> > To: wix...@li...
> > Subject: [WiX-users] Any ETA on the Short=20
> > Filenames=3DAutogeneratedHash fix?
> >=20
> > OK :-)
> >=20
> > Anyone has an ETA (estimated time of arrival) when we will=20
> > see the automated generation of short filenames in a build? I=20
> > am ready to start WIX installers for about half a dozen=20
> > projects here, and that is pretty much a "taking half the=20
> > work" from me thing. Like most others here we do not support=20
> > installation on short filenam only file systems by any mean=20
> > (due to the fact that our applications simply would not run=20
> > anyway), and having them to be determined was something that=20
> > really got on my nerves left and right in the whole windows=20
> > installer experience till now - from Installshield to Wise.
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