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#168 state vs. trait

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Kevin Hawkins
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2010-04-08
2010-02-19
Anonymous
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I notice that both <state> and <trait> can have datable attributes on them even though <trait> is meant for properties that are "in principle" unchanging. So at first it would seem that the datable attributes should not be allowed on <trait> unless we allow that certain traits may change but are still to be considered traits and not states. Is the intention?

Further confusion comes from the example given in the Guidelines for <trait>, involving citizenship that lasted for only a certain period. It seems to me that this example is more appropriate for the <state> element, unless this is an example of one of these traits not to be considered a state.

In short, a bit of clarification on the use of these elements would be good here.

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  • Kevin Hawkins
    Kevin Hawkins
    2010-02-19

    Dang, my login cookie must have expired. This bug was submitted by me.

     
  • Lou Burnard
    Lou Burnard
    2010-02-19

    That's OK Kevin, your style is instantly recognisable :-)

     
  • Lou Burnard
    Lou Burnard
    2010-04-07

    The difference between state and trait is discussed in the "Basic Principles" section of chapter ND (13.3.1), where we do try to show that the distinction is not always entirely clear cut. I think citizenship could qualify as a trait because it is externally defined and not conditioned by individual volition, but I can see why it might not be regarded as prototypical. I have therefore removed it from the example list for the moment. Do you have suggestions for how the discussion in "Basic Principles" could be improved? In general, we need more examples in this section: suggestions welcomed.

     
  • Lou Burnard
    Lou Burnard
    2010-04-07

    • milestone: --> GREEN
    • status: open --> closed
     
  • Kevin Hawkins
    Kevin Hawkins
    2010-04-08

    Testing that I can reopen a closed ticket by adding a comment. Will return later to give suggestions for how the "Basic Principles" could be improved.

     
  • James Cummings
    James Cummings
    2010-04-08

    opening

     
  • James Cummings
    James Cummings
    2010-04-08

    • status: closed --> open
     
  • Lou Burnard
    Lou Burnard
    2010-04-08

    • status: open --> closed
     
  • Janet McKnight
    Janet McKnight
    2010-04-08

    Test comment

     
  • Lou Burnard
    Lou Burnard
    2010-04-08

    • assigned_to: nobody --> kshawkin
     
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