Re: [Supertuxkart-devel] Game play with bullet

[Robert S. <the...@gm...>]

Hi,
we should put any outcome of this discussion into the wiki so we can
have an implementation roadmap.

> 1) 'normal' missile
>    Work the way they currently do, but should follow the height of the
>    terrain, i.e.: still fires in a straight line, but go up/down
>    depending on the terrain (up to a certain degree, they won't go up
>    a near vertical wall of course). That would make them more useful.
>    Additionally, I thing they should not explode if they are flying
>    on top of a 'rescue' texture (e.g. water, lava), they should only
>    explode if they are outside of the actual model.
+1

> 2) homing missiles
>    I would suggest that they follow the actual track, till they are
>    close enough to another kart, and then go towards the kart.
>    Homing missiles are (as someone wrote in the wiki) not that
>    useful, since there are many curves in the tracks, and the homing
>    missile would just fly into a wall/...
If someone remembers the wonderful SuperCars2 (Amiga) that how they
worked there.

+1

> 3) sparks
>    They are just bad at the moment. What about:
>    a) let them have a certain height above the terrain, and not
>       (as they currently do) fly arbitrarily high. If they bounce off a=

>       wall, they just won't raise anymore.
>    b) let them drift towards the closest kart (within a certain
>       distance). The force accelerating the sparks could be dependent
>       on the distance, i.e. the closer the kart, the higher the speed
>       with which the sparks moves towards the kart
>       (based on a suggestion in the wiki)
I am undecided here. I've never noticed the sparks thingies as they are
that useless atm. I am happy about everything that makes them more
useful. :)

> 4) zipper
>    They are currently no fun at all - you just lose control over the
>    kart, which is just bad. My suggestion would be that a zipper
>    increases the speed of a kart, but does not force a wheelie, i.e
>    you can still steer.
+1
btw. same for the 'road mounted zippers'?

> 5) wheelies
>    I am not really sure about wheelies. On one hand it is important tha=
t
>    players have away of actively (or using skilled driving) overtaking
>    other karts. That makes the game a lot more fun. On the other hand,
>    not being able to steer makes wheelies less useful. Any comments
>    or suggestions?
>    The 'other' kart game apparently uses slip stream: when you are clos=
e
>    to a kart in front of you, you get a speed boost since you are
>    driving in the slip stream. That's just one hell of a good game
>    design: it gives you a way to use your skill, without any additional=

>    controls, buttons, explanation - gee, I hate copying this idea (sinc=
e
>    we want to make STK a game on its own), but it is a very good one
>    (and slip stream is an important factor in  'real' race driving, so
>    it might not look too much like stealing). But perhaps we can come u=
p
>    with a new idea here? Let your creativity go wild!
I understand your position but when you want something unique for STK
then why not let
it the way it is. For me those odd wheelies are a remarkable gameplay
feature of STK.


> One more thing we should think about (again based on the wiki): do we
> want to have different powerful items, depending on how many you boxes
> you collect (or perhaps depending on your energy meter - instead of
> getting more items depending on energy, you get more powerful items, an=
d
> if you collect more boxes, the number of items will increase)? E.g.
> 1) rockets:
>    the first collectable is a normal rocket, if you collect another box=
,
>    you will get an homing missile, one more, and your homing missile
>    turns into a high-speed-homing missile?
> 2) Sparks level one would just flow around, level 2 would go towards
>    karts, level 3 would go quickly towards karts :)
> 3) parachutes: level one would only hit the first kart (or the kart
>    ahead of the player), level two all karts ahead of you, level
>    three would increase the effect
> 4) zippers: hmm - not sure, perhaps just more and more speed?
>=20
> Or should we support both modes, e.g. some tracks might just use the
> collectables the way we currently use them, but some tracks (or grand
> prix or game modes) might specify to use a different mode? Would that
> actually make the game more fun? Or does it just increase the need for
> documentation to read before you can actually play the game? I am happy=

> to leave it the way it is now, I just think we should make up our mind,=

> document it on the wiki (and clean up the game design page), so that we=

> can have a well defined direction to go to.
Again I am undecided here. I tend towards leaving it as it is because
thats the way I know STK but I see some value in taking the other
approach: Usually if you are far behind in the beginning of a race you
will not reach the first place ever. With stronger items and more
determinism ("Damn, again a useless spark, I need a homing
missile/zipper") of getting one this might be easier.

Regards
Robert

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