From: Bobby G. <bg...@fh...> - 2008-08-31 21:38:55
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Understood. Thats why I read it. A great many people who want to use SDCC would prefer to use it in an IDE. Thats certainly my desire, and that seems to be a valid issue. Besides I was not the one to introduce the idea to this group, I was merely replying to a recommendation under the topic of 'documentation & open source generally'. Once again I get the message that as a user, I have no standing and no credibility, which is fine by me. I've known that for some time really, so I'll just pick up my marbles and go home. Please disregard everything I said, and please don't apologize for running me off. I can assure you that I achieved my objective which was to see whether I had been mistaken in my assessment of the attitudes of the people involved in development of opensource software. Cheerio. Bobby Richard Erlacher wrote: > Bobby, > > I'd remind you that they (the CodeBlocks guys) have their own > discussion forum, and that's probably where you should take these > issues. The folks who read this forum generally want to focus on > SDCC, and, while CodeBlocks may, ultimately, serve their interests, > it's not the primary purpose of THIS list. > > I personally think it's OK to gripe about such things, since, if > nobody complains, everybody thinks it's "kewl", which seldom is the > case. However, THIS is not the place to gripe about THAT product. > > regards, > > Richard Erlacher > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bobby Garner <mailto:bg...@fh...> > *To:* sdc...@li... > <mailto:sdc...@li...> > *Sent:* Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:45 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Sdcc-user] documentation & open source generally > > I just installed the current release of C::B v8.02. It does > include a manual which appears to be well designed. As I want to > start a new project, I find under "CodeBlocks Project Management", > this encouraging statement: "CodeBlocks offers a very flexible and > comprehensive project management. The following text will address > only some of the features of the project management." "Only some"? > If the author knows of other features, why does he not at least > list them, and fill in the detail later? > > Already there is a shadow of doubt creeping in. But proceeding to > the next page, it says: "The easiest way to create a new project > is executing the command 'File' /'Project' and selecting a > wizard". Unfortunately, there is no 'Project' option on the file > menu. There are only 'Recent Project' and 'Import Project' both of > which require an existing project. This is supposed to help me > start a new project, one which has no preexistence? > > Going back to the Startup Page, there is a 'Create a new project' > option which brings up a dialog displaying a group of wizards > including an 'Empty project'. No SDCC project, and only one > embedded microcontroller project wizard for an AVR. Should I begin > with the blank sheet, or start an AVR and modify it for my 8051 > derivative? > > Going back to the manual, an index tab search for 'template' > offers two topics, Codesnippets and Source Code Exporter. Neither > of these look right. Back on the contents tab under C::B Project > Management, there is a page titled 'Project Template'. It contains > this paragraph: > > "CodeBlocks is supplied with a variety of project templates which > are displayed when creating a new project. However, it is also > possible to store custom templates for collecting your own > specifications for compiler switches, the optimisation to be used, > machine-specific switches etc. in templates. These templates will > be stored in the Documents and Settings\/</user/>/\Application > Data\codeblocks\UserTemplates directory. If the templates are to > be open to all users, they have to be copied to a corresponding > directory of the CodeBlocks installation. These templates will > then be displayed at the next startup of CodeBlocks under 'New' /' > Project' /'User templates'." > > So thats where they moved the 'Project' menu item! Except there is > no menu called 'New', and I wouldn't expect there to be. There is > a File/New/Project... however, which produces the dialog with the > Wizards. > > I need a rest break before attempting to work through one of these > wizards. I just wanted to offer this actual experience for > whatever it may be worth to anyone considering a new manual for > SDCC, because this is pretty typical of my own experience with > open source help systems. As Richard Erlacher has pointed out, > there is the appearance that the documentation author was unable > to read the code, misread the code, Or the coder changed the code > without communicating that fact to the documentation author. > > The experience of others may vary, and so far there is no reason > to suspect that Code::Blocks doesn't work as advertised, and if it > doesn't, the fault would surely not lie with the program. And the > documentation is probably right too, somewhere and/or sometime. > Maybe I just misread the advertisement. > > Bobby > > JBarbosa wrote: >> Below is a link to the Code::Blocks site and some chunks of text >> from the opening page. >> I 'm working exclusively with Windows. >> SDCC is called by means of a .bat file containing the command lines, >> C::B allows us to set a tool to invoke that .bat and 'voila'! >> If your PC has more than one core, they are used, >> >> The site gives access to several foruns, one of them is dedicated >> to the 'nightly builds' that allows us to update C::B every >> day, simply by downloading it and extract the files straight to >> the C::B directory and thats all. >> >> >> >> http://www.codeblocks.org/ >> >> http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php?title=Main_Page >> >> "The open source, cross platform, free C++ IDE." >> >> * Windows 2000 / XP / Vista >> * Linux (Ubuntu & Debian, 32 & 64 bits) >> * Mac OS X 10.4+ >> >> >> Supported compilers >> >> * GNU GCC (incl. G77) <http://gcc.gnu.org/> (Linux) >> * MinGW GCC (incl. G77) <http://www.mingw.org/> (Win32) >> * MSP430 GCC <http://mspgcc.sourceforge.net/> (Win32, Linux, >> BSD) >> * TriCore GCC <http://www.hightec-rt.com/> (Win32, Linux) >> * PowerPC GCC <http://www.hightec-rt.com/> (Win32, Linux) >> * Apple GCC (Xcode) <http://developer.apple.com/tools/> (Mac >> OS X) >> * Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 >> <http://xona.com/2004/06/29.html> (Win32) >> * Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 >> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualc/download/> >> (Win32) >> * Borland's C++ Compiler 5.5 >> <http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_cbuilder.html> >> (Win32) >> * DigitalMars C/C++ <http://www.digitalmars.com/> (Win32) >> * OpenWatcom <http://openwatcom.org/index.php/Main_Page> (Win32) >> * Intel C++ compiler >> <http://www.intel.com/cd/software/products/asmo-na/eng/compilers/219754.htm> >> (Win32) >> * Small Device C Compiler (SDCC) <http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/> >> * Digital Mars D >> <http://www.digitalmars.com/d/dcompiler.html> (Win32, Linux) >> * GDC D Compiler <http://dgcc.sourceforge.net/> >> >> Regards >> Jose Barbosa >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes >> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sdcc-user mailing list >> Sdc...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sdcc-user >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win > great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in > the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Sdcc-user mailing list > Sdc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sdcc-user > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sdcc-user mailing list > Sdc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sdcc-user > |