From: Wayne W. <sie...@sb...> - 2012-02-02 03:35:06
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<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> It appears as though every thing above this point had no errors. However, this portion should produce Meteor.exe. Instead it produced errors at the end. Anyone know what this means? 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style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><big><big>make: *** [Meteor] Error 2</big></big></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Wayne@solarblast1 /c/Users/Wayne/WrayFTPdownloads/Van-downloads/Meteor_2012-01-13/Meteor_2012-01-13/Rev-1</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">$ ls Meteor.exe</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">ls: Meteor.exe: No such file or directory</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Wayne@solarblast1 /c/Users/Wayne/WrayFTPdownloads/Van-downloads/Meteor_2012-01-13/Meteor_2012-01-13/Rev-1</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">$</p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"> <meta 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mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --> </style><br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- Wayne Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet In 2904 there will be 5 solar eclipses. On July 16, 2185 the longest solar eclipse inf 5k years will occur, 7 min. Web Page: <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.speckledwithstars.net/">www.speckledwithstars.net/</a>> </pre> </body> </html> |
From: Earnie B. <ea...@us...> - 2012-02-02 12:55:22
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On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Wayne Watson wrote: > c:/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.6.1/../../../../mingw32/bin/ld.exe: > reopening Meteor.exe: Permission denied > > > > c:/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.6.1/../../../../mingw32/bin/ld.exe: final > link failed: Permission denied > These "Permission denied" could be caused by your antivirus software or it could be an ACL preventing it. Can you do a ``touch Meteror.exe''? If yes, then make sure your antivirus software isn't actively monitoring your work directory. -- Earnie -- https://sites.google.com/site/earnieboyd |
From: LRN <lr...@gm...> - 2012-02-02 15:24:11
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02.02.2012 16:55, Earnie Boyd wrote: > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Wayne Watson wrote: >> c:/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.6.1/../../../../mingw32/bin/ld.exe: >> >> reopening Meteor.exe: Permission denied >> >> >> >> c:/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.6.1/../../../../mingw32/bin/ld.exe: >> final link failed: Permission denied >> > > These "Permission denied" could be caused by your antivirus > software or it could be an ACL preventing it. Can you do a > ``touch Meteror.exe''? If yes, then make sure your antivirus > software isn't actively monitoring your work directory. > Also, run msys.bat as administrator. Note that simply being a high-privilege-level user and/or disabling UAC is NOT enough. You have to either right-click on msys.bat and choose "Run as administrator" menu option, or use Winkey+R (start->run), and run msys.bat from there ("Run" dialog always runs everything as admin, as it will inform you). While this might not be related to your case, it's one of the reasons you might get "Permission denied" error when a tool tries to delete a file, then creates it again (Windows allows a deletion operation to pass, but keeps the file in place for some time, doing something with it, but denying you any access to it; admin access circumvents that "feature", and all files are deleted right away). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPKqqPAAoJEOs4Jb6SI2Cwmh4H/2jNlVmopauaTi9C0A87qix5 FM1dfWbtMO9XQwFr0Y77h3IjqOo6XHQkbkmhsEAIHGofMFiQtHtq0PG3x3fL/FQE rfZF1k+rqFkK/QTZXSO1VIhtg0vpiPVi0rSlgt8C8OwcsGFX5CHk3/J4WPovrU73 /fVs8RSoRhtzPcmKAuR+vuCIur318HnCRc4MyFYPwgHV+RyA/PwZ44n66IPmLfhv kKWR9g4EOCbuojCSTUuShBCgslQ9KsvWj/RRiDaJK9AzKzDNRSwmYk7lHRM1PzPe SVoPdhw8N6skCKhA7fHxE+LtqnTrjxvnisZ27nkYQrZnbosWR/2ktdTYIeyZDm4= =yct6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Wayne W. <sie...@sb...> - 2012-02-02 19:19:33
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On 2/2/2012 7:24 AM, LRN wrote: ... > c:/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.6.1/../../../../mingw32/bin/ld.exe: > final link failed: Permission denied > Also, run msys.bat as administrator. I think I am the administrator. > Note that simply being a > high-privilege-level user and/or disabling UAC is NOT enough. You have UAC? shell or MS? User access control? > to either right-click on msys.bat and choose "Run as administrator" Where do I find the bat file? > menu option, or use Winkey+R (start->run), and run msys.bat from there > ("Run" dialog always runs everything as admin, as it will inform you). > > While this might not be related to your case, it's one of the reasons > you might get "Permission denied" error when a tool tries to delete a > file, then creates it again (Windows allows a deletion operation to > pass, but keeps the file in place for some time, doing something with > it, but denying you any access to it; admin access circumvents that > "feature", and all files are deleted right away). > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: LRN <lr...@gm...> - 2012-02-02 20:41:28
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02.02.2012 23:19, Wayne Watson wrote: > > > On 2/2/2012 7:24 AM, LRN wrote: ... >> c:/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.6.1/../../../../mingw32/bin/ld.exe: >> final link failed: Permission denied Also, run msys.bat as >> administrator. > I think I am the administrator. You're a high-privileged user. You can't login as admin directly in W7 (well, maybe you can, but not without some potent voodoo magic). >> Note that simply being a high-privilege-level user and/or >> disabling UAC is NOT enough. You have > UAC? shell or MS? User access control? UAC = User Account Control. UAC level is controlled by a slider in the respective control panel. When it's all way down, UAC is disabled (that is, you won't get prompts about needing administrative privileges to do things). And that STILL won't make "run as administrator" the default. >> to either right-click on msys.bat and choose "Run as >> administrator" > Where do I find the bat file? In C:\Msys ? Or wherever you've installed MSys. msys.bat is THE file that starts up MSys shell (i.e. bash). If you're running it via shortcut - open it up, and look where its target it (or maybe you can run the shortcut itself as administrator - i guess that should work too). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPKvTtAAoJEOs4Jb6SI2CwYLcIALGbEnI5ghhut7K82QwCw0UN kl3A8Oy/3EquQkK3lpl5H7StSOhI3hMaM7CkDIE5QRBJ3hEo9tADl/IqxKSQ1Y9G VGjTURXFvaErmhqPtmKlFdznRq23iEYZMRy7sXf6wjaFQ5r4NST+SnPTe18Q5M8P /u9frwDb/YtCdSPm/1p4wYgCGtWpwkbvNNWcwK2OxYZSk2AOlObetFOu96ysHP8o ovacX+onJkm03wWD4+jkd/1Hd6t0woZLAFnkIz+MvgqIvWLUpkRcfc61MqyfBYjH /t1qwcvAYiR0LLZP7kDpwbvjcT6M+XuTkwxixjSBoJVFdXGrMR3Kf5Bx57wOXcg= =OZpk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Wayne W. <sie...@sb...> - 2012-02-02 21:53:56
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.. On 2/2/2012 12:41 PM, LRN wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > am the administrator. > You're a high-privileged user. You can't login as admin directly in W7 > (well, maybe you can, but not without some potent voodoo magic). >>> Note that simply being a high-privilege-level user and/or >>> disabling UAC is NOT enough. You have >> UAC? shell or MS? User access control? > UAC = User Account Control. UAC level is controlled by a slider in the > respective control panel. When it's all way down, UAC is disabled > (that is, you won't get prompts about needing administrative > privileges to do things). And that STILL won't make "run as > administrator" the default. I'll check it out. >>> to either right-click on msys.bat and choose "Run as >>> administrator" >> Where do I find the bat file? > In C:\Msys ? Or wherever you've installed MSys. msys.bat is THE file Ah, c:/MinGW > that starts up MSys shell (i.e. bash). If you're running it via It's been awhile since I used a "linux" shell. Is there a help or man? I did a find and this is what I got. =================== $ find / -name \*.bat -print /msys.bat <----------------- /postinstall/pi.bat Wayne@solarblast1 /c $ ls $Recycle.Bin CybDefWebInstaller.log MSOCache Python27 Windows msdia80.dll 1f498ff596262ab8aa0930511e346b0b Documents and Settings MinGW SYSTEM.SAV case_demo.f90 pagefile.sys Administrator's Guide FINIS_IT.TXT PerfLogs System Volume Information cybdefauth_i.log swsetup Brother Garmin Program Files Users helloWhirled.f90 Config.Msi Intel Program Files (x86) WATCOM hiberfil.sys CybDefInstallInfo.log MATLAB_SV701 ProgramData WeatherLink hp =============== I don't see a bat file there at all. > shortcut - open it up, and look where its target it (or maybe you can > run the shortcut itself as administrator - i guess that should work too). > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) > |
From: Keith M. <kei...@us...> - 2012-02-02 22:57:27
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On 02/02/12 21:53, Wayne Watson wrote: > It's been awhile since I used a "linux" shell. Is there a help or > man? There are a couple of MSYS specific READMEs installed along with msys-base; I don't have an MSW box here, to verify exactly where. $ mingw-get install msys-man msys-bash-doc $ man bash _should_ give you the man page. Again, without an MSW box, I can't verify. If it doesn't, then that's a packaging bug, so please report it. > I did a find and this is what I got. > > =================== > $ find / -name \*.bat -print > /msys.bat <----------------- > /postinstall/pi.bat Which tells us that msys.bat is in the root of your MSYS installation; this is NOT the same as ... > Wayne@solarblast1 /c > $ ls > $Recycle.Bin CybDefWebInstaller.log > MSOCache Python27 Windows > ... This is the root of your C: drive, not your MSYS system root. Run ( cd / && pwd -W ) in your MSYS shell, to identify the physical windows path which MSYS maps as it's logical system root. -- Regards, Keith. |
From: Wayne W. <sie...@sb...> - 2012-02-03 00:42:58
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Thanks for the tips. I'll follow up on them. See my last post to LRN about "my" old sources. :-) On 2/2/2012 2:57 PM, Keith Marshall wrote: > On 02/02/12 21:53, Wayne Watson wrote: >> It's been awhile since I used a "linux" shell. Is there a help or >> man? > There are a couple of MSYS specific READMEs installed along with > msys-base; I don't have an MSW box here, to verify exactly where. > > $ mingw-get install msys-man msys-bash-doc > $ man bash > > _should_ give you the man page. Again, without an MSW box, I can't > verify. If it doesn't, then that's a packaging bug, so please report it. > >> I did a find and this is what I got. >> >> =================== >> $ find / -name \*.bat -print >> /msys.bat<----------------- >> /postinstall/pi.bat > Which tells us that msys.bat is in the root of your MSYS installation; > this is NOT the same as ... > >> Wayne@solarblast1 /c >> $ ls >> $Recycle.Bin CybDefWebInstaller.log >> MSOCache Python27 Windows >> ... > This is the root of your C: drive, not your MSYS system root. Run > > ( cd /&& pwd -W ) > > in your MSYS shell, to identify the physical windows path which MSYS > maps as it's logical system root. > -- Wayne Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet Perhaps you do not think humans are responsible for global warming. Homo Sapeins, humans, have been on the earth for several hundred thousand years. In that time we have managed to kill off many larger species (e.g., Mammoth) and destroy forests, cause major ecological damange over large areas of land and oceans. Might it be possible that we are really responsible for damage done to the atmosphere too, and caused GW? -- WTW Web Page:<www.speckledwithstars.net/> |
From: Wayne W. <sie...@sb...> - 2012-02-03 17:27:29
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Got the man pages installed, and found the msys root. Used man bash, but was surprised not to get anything for man find. Must be some "-" missing. > There are a couple of MSYS specific READMEs installed along with > msys-base; I don't have an MSW box here, to verify exactly where. > > $ mingw-get install msys-man msys-bash-doc > $ man bash > > _should_ give you the man page. Again, without an MSW box, I can't > verify. If it doesn't, then that's a packaging bug, so please report it. > >> I did a find and this is what I got. >> >> =================== >> $ find / -name \*.bat -print >> /msys.bat<----------------- >> /postinstall/pi.bat > Which tells us that msys.bat is in the root of your MSYS installation; > this is NOT the same as ... > >> Wayne@solarblast1 /c >> $ ls >> $Recycle.Bin CybDefWebInstaller.log >> MSOCache Python27 Windows >> ... > This is the root of your C: drive, not your MSYS system root. Run > > ( cd /&& pwd -W ) > > in your MSYS shell, to identify the physical windows path which MSYS > maps as it's logical system root. > -- Wayne Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet Perhaps you do not think humans are responsible for global warming. Homo Sapeins, humans, have been on the earth for several hundred thousand years. In that time we have managed to kill off many larger species (e.g., Mammoth) and destroy forests, cause major ecological damange over large areas of land and oceans. Might it be possible that we are really responsible for damage done to the atmosphere too, and caused GW? -- WTW Web Page:<www.speckledwithstars.net/> |
From: Earnie B. <ea...@us...> - 2012-02-03 19:06:46
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TOP POSTING IS DISLIKED IN THIS LIST AND CONSIDERED IMPOLITE. Is this loud enough. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Wayne Watson <sie...@sb...> wrote: > Got the man pages installed, and found the msys root. Used man bash, but was surprised not to get anything for man find. Must be some "-" missing. > Most of your questions can be answered via ``find --help'' and using Google. --8<-- TRIM THE FAT. -- Earnie -- https://sites.google.com/site/earnieboyd |
From: Wayne W. <sie...@sb...> - 2012-02-03 20:06:00
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Perhaps you can tell me how to prevent Thunderbird from putting me at the start of a message, or is TB illegal to use here? How about intermingling? Is that allowed? Are there rules that prohibit it complete with punishment? |
From: Keith M. <kei...@us...> - 2012-02-04 11:07:42
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On 03/02/12 20:05, Wayne Watson wrote: > Perhaps you can tell me how to prevent Thunderbird from putting me at > the start of a message, Just because TB puts the cursor at the top of the reply, it doesn't mean that you *must* type there. > or is TB illegal to use here? Of course not! I use it myself, (on a Linux host, but that *should* be immaterial). First thing I do, in any reply, is hit "delete" twice, to kill the two superfluous blank lines TB insists on inserting, then move the cursor down to where the reply properly belongs, to start typing. > How about intermingling? Is that allowed? By "intermingling", do you mean point by point rebuttal, like I'm doing here? If so, then not only is it allowed; it is *expected*. > Are there rules that prohibit it complete with punishment? Point by point rebuttal will never be punished; it will be applauded. If you continue to top-post, Earnie may shout at you. If you irritate him enough, he may set the moderation flag on your subscription; the likely outcome of that is that your posts will be moderated into the bit-bucket -- I will do this, when I review the moderated post queue, if I can't establish context from a cursory inspection of the first two lines of any pending post. For my part, I may politely request that you desist from top-posting, but I won't shout or set your moderation flag. However, I will apply the same moderating criterion; if I can't fix context from the first two lines, I will read no further. This makes you a loser, if I happen to be the subscriber best placed to answer you. Similarly, if you keep quoting reams of irrelevant content at the end of your post, such that I have to waste time scrolling down just to learn that you have nothing more to add, you may irritate me enough to black-list you, so you again become a loser when I ignore your post, and I am best placed to respond. Hence Earnie's "trim the fat"; he means delete irrelevant quoted content, and it's in *your* best interest to comply with this request. The same rule applies to those who reply to digests, without restoring the correct subject line, (for the digested message to which you are responding), or who fail to delete the content for any messages to which they are not, (or indeed, any other irrelevant cruft). If you are looking for advice, don't alienate those who might tender it; play by the rules, and conform to the established etiquette for each list to which you subscribe. Argue about it, and you may find yourself ostracised. -- Regards, Keith. |
From: Teemu N. <sti...@ya...> - 2012-02-04 11:41:25
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On 4.2.2012 13:07, Keith Marshall wrote: > On 03/02/12 20:05, Wayne Watson wrote: >> Perhaps you can tell me how to prevent Thunderbird from putting me at >> the start of a message, > > Just because TB puts the cursor at the top of the reply, it doesn't mean > that you *must* type there. > >> or is TB illegal to use here? > > Of course not! I use it myself, (on a Linux host, but that *should* be > immaterial). First thing I do, in any reply, is hit "delete" twice, to > kill the two superfluous blank lines TB insists on inserting, then move > the cursor down to where the reply properly belongs, to start typing. When using Thunderbird you can set it to automatically start at the end of the quote. Go to Tools -> Account Settings -> (your account name) -> Composition & Addressing -> Check Automatically quote the original message when replying and select "start my reply below the quote" from the drop down list. |
From: Keith M. <kei...@us...> - 2012-02-04 14:26:09
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On 04/02/12 11:41, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote: > When using Thunderbird you can set it to automatically start at the end > of the quote. Go to Tools -> Account Settings -> (your account name) -> > Composition & Addressing -> Check Automatically quote the original > message when replying and select "start my reply below the quote" from > the drop down list. I consider this to be every bit as unacceptable as top-posting. If I can't see your response, in context, within TB's visible message view pane, or if I see all the list footers before your message, I *will*, more likely than not, delete it unread. If you want to maximise your chances of getting an informed response, from the widest possible cross section of subscribers, post your own replies in-line, in-context, and remove irrelevant cruft. -- Regards, Keith. |
From: KHMan <kei...@gm...> - 2012-02-04 15:14:14
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On 2/4/2012 10:25 PM, Keith Marshall wrote: > On 04/02/12 11:41, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote: >> When using Thunderbird you can set it to automatically start at the end >> of the quote. Go to Tools -> Account Settings -> (your account name) -> >> Composition& Addressing -> Check Automatically quote the original >> message when replying and select "start my reply below the quote" from >> the drop down list. > > I consider this to be every bit as unacceptable as top-posting. Please instead try to see Teemu's post as a suggestion to help users in the right direction. Look at the single paragraph again: it's just a neutrally worded tip. There was absolutely no need to find fault in it. Consider nudging people in the right direction (like Teemu does) rather than unload full-bore every time this happens. We can't fight top-posting with a flame-thrower; I think the majority of us did not come from a Unix background -- we don't have a lot of gurus here, but there is a potential army that can be raised. [snip] > If you want to maximise your chances of getting an informed response, > from the widest possible cross section of subscribers, post your own > replies in-line, in-context, and remove irrelevant cruft. Look, I think even dear cgf of Cygwin fame is more mellow these days and Cygwin seem a more peaceful list nowadays. :-) Besides, we primates have mirror neurons -- a lot of things get reflected right back at us and is escalated. It can be handled better. I expect some people won't like what I say, but it has to be said. I think we should be giving positive vibes in order to attract, cultivate, and nurture contributors. -- Cheers, Kein-Hong Man (esq.) Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia |
From: Keith M. <kei...@us...> - 2012-02-04 16:51:02
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On 04/02/12 15:13, KHMan wrote: > On 2/4/2012 10:25 PM, Keith Marshall wrote: >> On 04/02/12 11:41, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote: >>> When using Thunderbird you can set it to automatically start at the end >>> of the quote. Go to Tools -> Account Settings -> (your account name) -> >>> Composition& Addressing -> Check Automatically quote the original >>> message when replying and select "start my reply below the quote" from >>> the drop down list. >> >> I consider this to be every bit as unacceptable as top-posting. > > Please instead try to see Teemu's post as a suggestion to help That's exactly how I did see it, albeit misguided... > users in the right direction. ...because I would contend that this isn't the right direction. > Look at the single paragraph again: > it's just a neutrally worded tip. There was absolutely no need to > find fault in it. I didn't. Perhaps you should read the full context of my reply, and my preceding message which prompted Teemu's, again. > Consider nudging people in the right direction (like Teemu does) That was exactly what I was trying to do -- politely offer advice to help users get the most out of their list subscriptions. As I've already said, I won't shout or impose direct sanctions on any user. It's okay for a user to be ignorant -- in the true dictionary sense; it is not okay to be wilfully lazy. I can politely guide the ignorant toward knowledge; I will not waste time on the wilfully lazy. -- Regards, Keith. |
From: KHMan <kei...@gm...> - 2012-02-04 19:50:03
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On 2/5/2012 12:50 AM, Keith Marshall wrote: > On 04/02/12 15:13, KHMan wrote: >> On 2/4/2012 10:25 PM, Keith Marshall wrote: >>> On 04/02/12 11:41, Teemu Nätkinniemi wrote: >>>> When using Thunderbird you can set it to automatically start at the end >>>> of the quote. Go to Tools -> Account Settings -> (your account name) -> >>>> Composition& Addressing -> Check Automatically quote the original >>>> message when replying and select "start my reply below the quote" from >>>> the drop down list. >>> >>> I consider this to be every bit as unacceptable as top-posting. >> >> Please instead try to see Teemu's post as a suggestion to help >[snip] >> Look at the single paragraph again: >> it's just a neutrally worded tip. There was absolutely no need to >> find fault in it. > > I didn't. Perhaps you should read the full context of my reply, and my > preceding message which prompted Teemu's, again. I know you did reply and I have browsed your reply, and I have also checked gmane again. Teemu's context was just that one para of your reply, properly snipped too -- changing the TB option would be a small typing optimization. With the option, for short posts, we just click once and type away. Now, since there is no issue with the rest of your posting, which was properly snipped out, it is implied that Teemu agrees with editing, sniping, in-context and so on. Assuming he is advocating something like "adding a reply at the end of a long posting" would be incorrect. Looked like a harmless tip, a procedural tweak that is in complete agreement with the rest of your posting. So I found the aggression in "every bit as unacceptable" very surprising and pretty worrying. Yet Teemu's tip was sincerely offered and it may help change the habits of some of us on the list. I for one have forgotten having changed the option on TB years ago. It's a small step. No one can appear *poof!* with fully-formed Unix culture. I call it an example of community participation, and it did not deserve a put-down. A diversity of community participation is a healthy community, and different people have different approaches. But when we make people wary and uncomfortable about getting into our line of fire, people would then prefer to lurk and leech rather than offer their hand to help. For example, I can see that no one else is daring to chime in on this. >> [snip snip snip] -- Cheers, Kein-Hong Man (esq.) Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia |
From: Keith M. <kei...@us...> - 2012-02-04 21:19:59
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On 04/02/12 19:49, KHMan wrote: > Yet Teemu's tip was sincerely offered and it may help change the > habits of some of us on the list. I for one have forgotten having > changed the option on TB years ago. It's a small step. No one can > appear *poof!* with fully-formed Unix culture. I accept that; nothing in my reply was intended to imply otherwise. In any case, as Earnie has already pointed out, it has nothing to do with adoption of a Unix culture; it is solely a matter of having the basic manners to acquaint oneself with the etiquette expected on any list to which one chooses to subscribe. > I call it an example of community participation, and it did not > deserve a put-down. And my reply was never intended as such. By quoting just one phrase, "I consider this to be every bit as unacceptable as top-posting.", out of context, you have both attributed and emphasised a meaning which was not intended. Teemu's advice, while obviously well intentioned, was potentially misleading; it could encourage belief that bottom-posting is an acceptable alternative to top-posting, whereas the prevailing etiquette on this list strenuously discourages both. The *only* purpose of my response to Teemu's post was to raise user awareness that adoption of either of these discouraged posting styles could be prejudicial to the likelihood of receiving replies from the best qualified respondents. It was, in no way intended to impugn the motivation for his post. -- Regards, Keith. |
From: KHMan <kei...@gm...> - 2012-02-05 04:19:01
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On 2/5/2012 5:19 AM, Keith Marshall wrote: > On 04/02/12 19:49, KHMan wrote: > [snip] >> I call it an example of community participation, and it did not >> deserve a put-down. > > And my reply was never intended as such. By quoting just one phrase, > "I consider this to be every bit as unacceptable as top-posting.", out > of context, you have both attributed and emphasised a meaning which was > not intended. I disagree. Teemu's tip was for configuring a program for ease of use, carefully trimmed as such. No bottom-posting was implied. Encouraging belief of bottom-posting is a step further, a connection you made, without making it clear, and one that I disagree with. Remember, since at that point we were just fresh from reading your detailed posting, it beggars belief that a simple tip could somehow 'undo' your efforts. The ringside viewer sees it as unduly harsh, but it is not the fault of the ringside viewer. > Teemu's advice, while obviously well intentioned, was > potentially misleading; it could encourage belief that bottom-posting is > an acceptable alternative to top-posting, whereas the prevailing > etiquette on this list strenuously discourages both. > The *only* purpose > of my response to Teemu's post was to raise user awareness that adoption > of either of these discouraged posting styles could be prejudicial to > the likelihood of receiving replies from the best qualified respondents. > It was, in no way intended to impugn the motivation for his post. I think a strident approach to advice-giving is too prone to stressful situations and misunderstandings. Try to see it from a "people relations" point of view. Can an online community be run like a military academy? A pet parrot would rub all its fur off. Did you notice the other threads/branches suddenly stopping and people handling their postings with kid gloves? Think about setting a healthy tone in leading a community. I really hope you put some thought into it, and since I have said my spiel, I won't say anything more on this thread. -- Cheers, Kein-Hong Man (esq.) Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia |
From: Wayne W. <sie...@sb...> - 2012-02-04 16:59:19
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Ah, a moderated list. Good. |
From: Wayne W. <sie...@sb...> - 2012-02-04 17:05:07
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<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <br> <br> On 2/3/2012 9:02 AM, Wayne Watson wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:4F2...@sb..." type="cite"> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> ... <blockquote cite="mid:4F2...@gm..." type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">? shell or MS? User access control? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">UAC = User Account Control. UAC level is controlled by a slider in the respective control panel. When it's all way down, UAC is disabled (that is, you won't get prompts about needing administrative privileges to do things). And that STILL won't make "run as administrator" the default. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">to either right-click on msys.bat and choose "Run as administrator" </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Where do I find the bat file?</pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> I found the bat file, but how do I right-click on it. If I do, I get the last item saved. In this case, it's find:<br> Wayne@solarblast1 /mingw/msys/1.0<br> $ msys<br> msys-1.0.dll msys-intl-8.dll msys-magic-1.dll msys-regex-1.dll msys-z.dll msysinfo<br> msys-iconv-2.dll msys-lzma-5.dll msys-popt-0.dll msys-termcap-0.dll <br> </blockquote> <br> I never got an answer why I needed to right click on the bat file. It really doesn't matter any longer. I did a Make clean and it squared away the compile, and I am able to run the program as needed.<br> <br> </body> </html> |
From: Keith M. <kei...@us...> - 2012-02-04 17:28:28
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On 04/02/12 17:04, Wayne Watson wrote: > I never got an answer why I needed to right click on the bat file. I thought you did. Wasn't the suggestion that you right click, and select "run as administrator" from the resultant context menu? No matter... > It really doesn't matter any longer. I did a Make clean and it > squared away the compile, and I am able to run the program as > needed. ...I'm pleased you arrived at a satisfactory conclusion. -- Regards, Keith. |
From: Wayne W. <sie...@sb...> - 2012-02-02 19:10:46
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On 2/2/2012 4:55 AM, Earnie Boyd wrote: > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Wayne Watson wrote: >> c:/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.6.1/../../../../mingw32/bin/ld.exe: >> reopening Meteor.exe: Permission denied >> >> >> c:/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.6.1/../../../../mingw32/bin/ld.exe: final >> link failed: Permission denied >> ACL? I cannot even find Meteor.exe on my Win 7 PC. Maybe it doesn't search the shell files. > These "Permission denied" could be caused by your antivirus software > or it could be an ACL preventing it. Can you do a ``touch > Meteror.exe''? If yes, then make sure your antivirus software isn't > actively monitoring your work directory. I'm using MS Security Essentials. It may be oblivious to the shell area. > -- Wayne Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet In 2904 there will be 5 solar eclipses. On July 16, 2185 the longest solar eclipse inf 5k years will occur, 7 min. Web Page:<www.speckledwithstars.net/> |
From: LRN <lr...@gm...> - 2012-02-02 22:32:49
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03.02.2012 1:53, Wayne Watson wrote: >>>> to either right-click on msys.bat and choose "Run as >>>> administrator" >>> Where do I find the bat file? >> In C:\Msys ? Or wherever you've installed MSys. msys.bat is THE >> file > Ah, c:/MinGW >> that starts up MSys shell (i.e. bash). If you're running it via > It's been awhile since I used a "linux" shell. Is there a help or > man? > This CDs you into "MSys root directory": $ cd / This CDs you into "C:/": $ cd /c/ This will show you where your MSys root directory is: $ cd / $ echo $(pwd -W) I don't see why that is suddenly such a problem - in your earlier e-mails you've been showing us the output of the `ls' command, and your `make' has been running from within MSys (i can tell by looking at paths it printed), which means that you've HAD MSys running, and used it successfully (to some extent). Can't point you to a manual, maybe someone else can (OTOH, msys-bash mostly equivalent to `bash' you might find on many POSIX-compliant systems; other than a few tricks that MSys does when it interacts with W32, it's all pretty much the same stuff). P.S. I personally know nothing about Fortran, this is as far as i can take you. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPKw8GAAoJEOs4Jb6SI2CwoOMIAMCv5f3iSjyNSdjRUFyse2mU pBZAzAuJWmJXMkqJR9v3laQ71ew6gx+AMErlbCHJuPa1mDnWrFJLGv1dQC8zvzSD AkAQQvQ0eHX8Q0UsOWutDfayQby5n6dkwbXXa8M6zEC+4805aoxcs6UKRWb+Sh9B DRaTch/P6zECmYxOoBwCqFD2CX5+IBGLww57zmLatyH7kXJ7cu0OPD/yZB1sbt1d YaTYZMAQCjn8TzGPTDwT70jl04dZJkVAEY56Ax+1lkZyLNa+O3VcLI3mgRTnO647 Texrlm0B9Ocw4oXGzraGjsh4GVF0n3G9/j1LtZ0pc4ZzuMtvxgHslzbeS6RthTU= =xvJM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Keith M. <kei...@us...> - 2012-02-02 23:00:55
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On 02/02/12 22:32, LRN wrote: > This will show you where your MSys root directory is: > $ cd / > $ echo $(pwd -W) Why 'echo' here? $ cd / $ pwd -W is quite sufficient. -- Regards, Keith. |