From: Dietfrid M. <kar...@ho...> - 2008-01-29 15:13:48
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I am having major problems with installing MSys. I am trying to use a automake/autogen based project from Linux. I have installed mingw, msys and the msys developer package. When trying to run aclocal, I have run into numerous errors. "Can't locate Automake/Config.pm" "autom4ate: unknown language: Autoconf-without-aclocal-m4" I resolved this by installed automake 1.10. A hurdle was that it is absolutely unclear where this stuff has to go. It took me a while to figure that I should probably extract it to /usr/share. Using /usr/local/share did not work. "Can't locate Autom4te/General.pm" Resolved this by installing autoconf 2.61.=20 "String found where operator expected at /bin/autom4te line 280, near "erro= r "GNU m4 1.4 or later: $m4" Resolved: Now autoconf stuff has to go to /usr/local/share and not just /us= r/share. How funny. Btw, trying to installing it using the mingwPORT stuff failed due to numero= us errors. "Can't locate object method "path" via package "Request" (perhaps you forgo= t to load "Request"?) at /usr/local/share/autoconf/Autom4te/C4che.pm line 6= 9, <GEN1> line 111" WTF? At this point I have given up. I know that this project is maintained by volunteers but yet I have to say = that for me this looks like the biggest messy pile of software I have ever = seen in my life. I have no clue how to get this to work so that I could run= aclocal, autoheader, automake and configure on scripts that work flawlessl= y on Linux. Installation is a horror - you neither know what exactly you ne= ed, nor where to put it. Unfortunately I have to use this stuff, so please help me to get this going= . _________________________________________________________________ Neu: Internet Explorer 7 optimiert f=FCr MSN! http://optimize.de.msn.com/default.aspx?mkt=3Dde-de= |
From: Keith M. <kei...@us...> - 2008-01-29 20:40:41
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On Tuesday 29 January 2008 15:13, Dietfrid Mali wrote: > I know that this project is maintained by volunteers but yet I have > to say that for me this looks like the biggest messy pile of software > I have ever seen in my life. And I have to say that this must be the most insolent plea for help that I have ever seen in *my* life! > I have no clue how to get this to work > so that I could run aclocal, autoheader, automake and configure on > scripts that work flawlessly on Linux. Installation is a horror - you > neither know what exactly you need, nor where to put it. All I will say is that I have installed *all* of the stuff you are whingeing about, without encountering the slightest problem, simply by following the instructions at: http://www.mingw.org/MinGWiki/index.php/GettingStarted and cheerfully accepting the defaults for everything; it all works fine for me. Perhaps you should direct your vitriolic criticism somewhere closer to home. > Unfortunately I have to use this stuff, so please help me to get this > going. Are you kidding? Do you seriously expect the voluntary maintainers of any software, especially that which you have acquired at zero cost, to respond sympathetically, when you insult them so wilfully? And, please DO NOT post multipart MIME messages; use plain text ONLY, and set word wrap at 72 columns or less. Regards, Keith. |
From: Johannes S. <Joh...@gm...> - 2008-01-29 21:24:50
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Hi Keith, On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Keith Marshall wrote: > On Tuesday 29 January 2008 15:13, Dietfrid Mali wrote: > > I know that this project is maintained by volunteers but yet I have to > > say that for me this looks like the biggest messy pile of software I > > have ever seen in my life. > > And I have to say that this must be the most insolent plea for help that > I have ever seen in *my* life! Must be like that when some people complain to Mensa that their entry quiz is too hard ;-) Ciao, Dscho |
From: Dietfrid M. <kar...@ho...> - 2008-01-29 22:04:08
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I cannot see where I have insulted anyone here. I have simply stated my poi= nt of view on the state of the hardware here.Apparently you were looking fo= r an occasion for being insulted.I'd say the remark coming closest to a per= sonal insult Johannes Schindelin who apparently is quite an arrogant prick.= Looks like you guys just can't take being told that what you do isn't quite= up to par, and also are two absolutely graceless persons or you would have= understood the amount of frustration behind my posting. Fuck yourselves.> = Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:24:09 +0000> From: Joh...@gm...> To= : kei...@us...> CC: min...@li...= > Subject: Re: [Mingw-msys] Major problems installing MSys> > Hi Keith,> > = On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Keith Marshall wrote:> > > On Tuesday 29 January 2008 = 15:13, Dietfrid Mali wrote:> > > I know that this project is maintained by = volunteers but yet I have to > > > say that for me this looks like the bigg= est messy pile of software I > > > have ever seen in my life.> > > > And I = have to say that this must be the most insolent plea for help that > > I ha= ve ever seen in *my* life!> > Must be like that when some people complain t= o Mensa that their entry quiz > is too hard ;-)> > Ciao,> Dscho> > > ------= -------------------------------------------------------------------> This S= F.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) V= isual Studio 2008.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/= > _______________________________________________> Mingw-msys mailing list>= Min...@li...> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/list= info/mingw-msys _________________________________________________________________ Neu: Internet Explorer 7 optimiert f=FCr MSN! http://optimize.de.msn.com/default.aspx?mkt=3Dde-de= |
From: Johannes S. <Joh...@gm...> - 2008-01-29 22:51:23
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Hi, On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Dietfrid Mali wrote: > I cannot see where I have insulted anyone here. I have simply stated my > point of view on the state of the hardware here.Apparently you were > looking for an occasion for being insulted.I'd say the remark coming > closest to a personal insult Johannes Schindelin who apparently is quite > an arrogant prick. Yes, I am an arrogant prick, alright. Just like anybody who could say something like "your software is not good. Your work that you invested quite some time into is crap. Help me!" and not see the dichotomy. I take it you heard something of the golden rule, or the cathegorical imperative? You should have applied that, and people would have jumped to your help. In other words, it does not help to _piss off_ the people you ask for help. Hth, Dscho |
From: KHMan <kei...@gm...> - 2008-01-30 02:29:34
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Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Dietfrid Mali wrote: > >> I cannot see where I have insulted anyone here. I have simply stated my >> point of view on the state of the hardware here.Apparently you were >> looking for an occasion for being insulted.I'd say the remark coming >> closest to a personal insult Johannes Schindelin who apparently is quite >> an arrogant prick. > > Yes, I am an arrogant prick, alright. > > Just like anybody who could say something like "your software is not good. > Your work that you invested quite some time into is crap. Help me!" and > not see the dichotomy. > > I take it you heard something of the golden rule, or the cathegorical > imperative? You should have applied that, and people would have jumped to > your help. > > In other words, it does not help to _piss off_ the people you ask for > help. It's pretty sad to see a second incident in less than a week. I'm no angel myself, but, oh my, the SNR is dropping. It looks like the less skill and knowledge there is, the bigger the tendency to lash out and complain loudly. It betrays a distressing lack of understanding of the problems developers face trying to port and maintain tools on a platform that claims POSIX compatibility with much reluctance and is rather hostile to Unix-style portable software development. I would have been embarrassed or sheepish at failing to solve the problem rather than be righteously indignant. Now nobody will help Dietfrid. We owe Dietfrid nothing. Odd, if he is doing fine on Linux, why didn't he generate ze configure scrippy in dat place? Or switch to Cygwin? I recommend that Dietfrid get help from these upstanding guys: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/interopmigration/bb380242.aspx -- Cheers, Kein-Hong Man (esq.) Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia |