From: Jerome L. <ad...@gm...> - 2013-11-13 17:05:44
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razor-session is buggy and lacking. With systemd-only sessions around the corner, the need for an actual session manager is lessened (which is a great thing, honestly). Improving lxsession and making it optional (eg. integrating with systemd when available) is the best path available to us. J. Leclanche On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Alexis López Zubieta <azu...@es...> wrote: > El 10/11/13 15:58, Andrej N. Gritsenko escribió: > >> Hello! >> >> Stephan Sokolow has written on Sunday, 10 November, at 6:42: >>> >>> On 13-11-10 05:24 AM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote: >>>> >>>> In fact, auto-restart might be needed only if some component >>>> crashes. >>>> And also in fact, in many cases this does not work at all, because when >>>> that happens, the possibility that conditions for the crash still >>>> present >>>> is high so it crashes again and again. I'm not sure if auto-restart have >>>> to be there at all. >> >> [...skipped...] >>> >>> - Fiddling with PDF viewer windows has sometimes caused Openbox to crash >>> persistently but somewhat unpredictably. Thanks to auto-restart, all my >>> windows flicker and then I can get back to work. >> >> Well, I don't know who restarts Openbox. I always believed if window >> manager crashes then the whole session will crash as well. But you know, >> since window manager is a core for all applications, it cannot be started >> the same way as some application so it is irrelevant for the subject of >> discission (i.e. autorestart for /etc/xdg/autostart/ items) in any case. >> >>> - Rapidly opening and closing LibreOffice windows as part of splitting a >>> .DOC into several dozen per-chapter HTML files can cause LXPanel to >>> freeze or crash. >>> In the former case (lxpanel freezes), I hit Win+Space to pull up >>> gmrun (habit since I normally demand a run dialog with tab completion >>> and command history) and type "killall -SEGV lxpanel" because it's >>> easier than remembering or looking up the exact command to respawn it >>> after SIGTERM causes lxsession to omit the auto-restart. >>> In both cases (freeze or crash), I then usually have to hit Win+Space >>> again and type "sh -c 'audtool shutdown; sleep 2; audacious &'" >>> because LXPanel is the only panel which doesn't take responsibility >>> for recovering tray icons and Audacious is one of a handful of apps >>> (Audacious, neap, oDesk Team) which don't take responsibility for >>> re-creating their tray icons and, since no Audacious devs use LXDE, >>> their response is "Unless you want to provide a patch, it's a bug in >>> LXPanel, not Audacious, since it works in Xfce, GNOME, KDE, etc." >> >> Yes, I'm aware that lxpanel is somewhat buggy and sometimes crashes. >> If I wasn't so busy with libmenu-cache/libfm/pcmanfm I would take part in >> it. It seems as the most buggy core component of LXDE. It still has 129 >> bugreports in the bugtracker and I'm not sure if there are no other bugs >> still unreported. :( >> >> May be I should go for it after the LibFM/PCManFM 1.2.0 will get a >> final release? Yes, I know, Qt will be ready sometime later, but for now >> it is still raw and unusable for me so I still stick with pcmanfm and >> lxpanel GTK+ versions (yes, I restart lxpanel manually when it crashes >> and I don't use "start application" function of lxpanel, I use Xfce >> starter instead, it is similar to lxpanel's one, but reliable and also >> can remember history of commands). >> >> Well, anyway, I still believe any autorestart is a workaround, which >> is dirty and very bad thing to do, we have to fix core components instead >> of workarounding bugs. :) >> >> Well, how Xfce, GNOME, KDE, etc. handle similar issues? Do they also >> autorestart core DE components? >> >>> - Various PCManFM crashes I've encountered over the years. >> >> About PCManFM I treat any crash as issue that should be fixed ASAP, >> and that issue should never ever happen and I highly suggest never do >> autorestart on it. Well, I know, it crashed before 1.0 as in a hell, but >> now if it ever crashes, feel free to bomb me, it is simply an emergency >> situation. >> >> Cheers! >> Andriy. > > > Hello: > > I was cheeking the PCman proposal and it seems good to me but why are you > not taking nothing from the razor-qr session? Will this be the same session > for bot lxqt and lxde ? > > Best wishes > > Alexis López Zubieta > Nova Light Development Team > University of Informatics Sciences (Cuba) > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Razor-qt" group. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/razor-qt?hl=en > > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Razor-qt" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to raz...@go.... > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. |