Re: [Lxde-list] qCheckGMail for razor-qt

[Stephan S. <gma...@sp...>]

As far as I can tell, libappindicator (which most 
appindicator-supporting applications use since it gives them a tray icon 
fallback for free if the panel doesn't support appindicators) doesn't 
provide an API to allow applications to register separate actions for 
left-click and right-click.

(Just a menu which most hosts bind to both left and right click and 
that's it)

That's the problem. Most applications use a client library which 
implements an API without the ability to specify the behaviour I want... 
which means that we'd have a chicken-and-egg problem with anything we 
did on the server side.

The reason I asked about the KDE one is that KDE is a big enough target 
that, if they offer an alternative with a richer API, then there's hope 
that it could gain enough inertia to catch on as the de facto standard 
apps support if available.

(Plus, I really think it's stupid to use touchscreens as an excuse to 
only have one action. Whatever happened to the tap-and-hold gesture?)

On 13-08-10 02:43 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>      Hello!
>
> Kevin Krammer has written on Saturday, 10 August, at 20:04:
>> On Saturday, 2013-08-10, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>>> Kevin Krammer has written on Saturday, 10 August, at 19:16:
>>>> On Saturday, 2013-08-10, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>>>>> Stephan Sokolow has written on Saturday, 10 August, at 11:22:
>>>>>> I've gone as far as completely avoiding applications which offer only
>>>>>> AppIndicator-based tray icons because I refuse to double the number of
>>>>>> clicks and throw in some precision mouse movement in order to show/hide
>>>>>> an application's main window. (Especially if I just want to peek at its
>>>>>> status without having said status visible during times when I'm
>>>>>> vulnerable to distraction.)
>
>>>>>      Another annoying thing of AppIndicator-based tray icons is that they
>>>>> never show tooltips and to see status I should click it and then click
>>>>> again to hide status, and for "usual left-click or right-click" actions
>>>>> I should select option in menu below the status and click it.
>
>>>> Wouldn't a visualization like that be up to the host?
>>>> I.e. the LXDE-Qt panel or tray implementation?
>
>>>      Exactly, it is tray implementation which gives API for plugins. And
>>> since gnome-shell tray doesn't offer such API, plugin has no possibility
>>> to implement it. Therefore even if those plugins started in another tray
>>> they still don't support it.
>
>> Right, but in the context of LXDE/Razor this is of no consequence, because
>> those are the hosts.
>
>> The applications offer functionality and visualization data and the hosts
>> decide how to present that data and trigger functionality so that it fits into
>> the host's overall design concepts.
>
>> So even if the application does not explicitly set any tooltip information a
>> host implementation could still show other things like icon, application name
>> and status in a tooltip.
>
>> Or maybe I am misunderstanding your concern. Are the LXDE or Razor systrays
>> currently not showing any tooltips?
>
>      I believe their panels show them just fine. I've just added my $.02
> about AppIndicator applets - they are uneasy to use because they require
> a lot of extra clicks, as Stephan Sokolow noticed. And I'm not sure if it
> possible to extract status from AppIndicator applet until you click on
> it, so only thing which our tray may show in tooltip is application name
> which is not very useful unfortunately. It's why I'm rather avoiding any
> AppIndicator applets. And I still believe desktop and tablet environments
> should be different in usability. Gnome/Unity/Win8 don't agree with me,
> you know.
>
>      Cheers!
>      Andriy.
>
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