Re: [Lxde-i18n] [Lxde-list] Current status of the project, and the future

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Thanks PCMan.

My own experience with trying various flavors of Linux, and comparing
packages for various functions, is that there is a wide choice of packages
for everything, but not many that really work well. So when there is a
cross-platform packages that does a job really well, that's extremely
useful.

For me, PCManFM and LXPanel are very good applications in this way, and
probably deserve the most attention.

I don't know about lxsession - when I run CrunchBang, removing lxsession
makes very little noticeable
change<http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/post/23769/#p23769>,
but it might be more noticeable when running the full LXDE. Maybe it's just
less important with the bare-bones approach of CrunchBang (which I like -
very light but not as hard as using dwm or other simple window managers). I
even prefer the Openbox approach to autostarting progroms with autostart.sh
- it's not as user-friendly but not too bad either, and it works. That might
be a good medium term approach, until the GUIs can be ready? (I'm just
speculating.)

It looks like X Windows might be replaced soon by
Wayland<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server%29>,
and I guess this will impact lxsession. Considering the limited number of
developers working on lxsession, perhaps it makes more sense to plan ahead
for Wayland? (Speculating again.)

gpicview seems less important to me, and there are several alternative
packages such as viewnior and geequie  - this is just my opinion, but it
sounds like a good idea to drop gpicview to focus on other areas.

Unless you're
> not going to use programs written for other DEs, it's not possible to
> be completely cross-desktop. Gnome apps talks to their session manager
> via their own private ways.
>

I've noticed similar things recently. I like one or two KDE applications,
and that means installing 150 or 200 MB of libraries and such to support a
small package. It would be possible to "liberate" the packages from some of
the libraries, but it might be a big job for a small number of users.

I'm also noticing the speed at which computers are increasing in RAM and
power. So for most users, having to install KDE libraries will be no big
deal, if they want something from KDE. I mightn't like some of KDE's  design
decisions, but I'm not going to fight about it. I guess it's just the
essential core of programs that we really want to be as light as possible.

Anyway, I don't know if my comments are helpful, but I want to thank you and
all the LXDE developers for your great work.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 21:02, PCMan <pcm...@gm...> wrote:

> Here is a brief status update for the project.
>
> 1. I got stucked by my work in hospital this month, so nothing new was
> done for the file manager. Next month I'll continue fixing the
> remaining bugs and try to make a new release.
> 2. One of our major developer, Marty Jack, has left the project. We
> thanked him for all the contribution he has done so far.
> 3. LXPanel is previously maintained by Marty Jack. So now a new
> maintainer is needed.
> 4. The session manager is more or less in a half-done status. I'm now
> reading some docs to see how to get X session management support.
> Gnome applications used their own dbus-based way to connect to gnome
> session manager and this is not cross-desktop. If we want to implement
> similar thing, there is no desktop-neutral solution now. Too bad. :-(
> After doing seaching again and again on google and RTFM for many
> times, there doesn't seem to be a reasonable and desktop-independent
> way to handle locking.
>
> The goals of next month:
> 1. Get the buggy file manager fixed and have a really working release
> that sucks less.
> 2. Try to incoporate x session management thing into lxsession.
>
> The future of the project:
> 1. The image viewer: I'm not able to maintain gpicview anymore due to
> limited time. Previous work done during GSoC is not yet in a usable
> status. Help is needed to continue this part, or another solution may
> be use Viewnior instead.
>
> 2. While trying to solve the remaining problems for the DE, I finally
> realized that there is no real cross-desktop solution. Unless you're
> not going to use programs written for other DEs, it's not possible to
> be completely cross-desktop. Gnome apps talks to their session manager
> via their own private ways. In addition, many things are not yet
> standardized and programs from different camps all use different
> implementations. Since it's not possible for us to support all of
> them, we need to make some hard choices.
>
> 3. To make desktop components more integrated and to make the desktop
> experience smoother, it's not possible to stay completely
> desktop-independent and modular. If we're going to make a real DE, we
> need to compromise in some areas. However, if we do too much
> integration and make the apps bundled together, basically we'll become
> XFCE. I have been thinking about this for quite a long time and there
> is no single best answer so far.
>
> 4. If nobody knows how to get Transifex work correctly as before, we
> may need to drop it. :-(
>
> Thanks for all your patience and sorry for all the inconvenience.
>
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