From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-03-31 11:42:56
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Hey guys as you are all probably aware windows xp gets shelved next tuesday. Are we going to bump the minimum version we will provide fixes for to at least windows vista onwards? -- Jonathan Aquilina |
From: midi-pascal <mid...@vi...> - 2014-03-31 22:08:40
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Hi list, On this thread Jonathan Aquilina said: <snip> "if you want a really light weight desktop take a look at the enlightenment desktop damn thing is super light and super quick as its written in native c and has its own ui libraries" <snip> I just can't agree more. I use Bodhi Linux on a regular basis. It is based on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with Enlightenment as its default desktop. After a very easy graphical installation, all works perfectly (Network, sound card, it even allows screen resolutions I cannot get under XP on the same box). Booting with a full fledged and really beautiful environment, the resources consumption is completely astonishing: RAM: 62Mb used CPU: 0% (Not detectable) when idling Disk: 4 Gb is more than enough to play seriously Lmms flies on my old P4 and since all the Ubuntu LTS repo contents is available I had no problem to get the extra packages to build it. A really nice distro for the old boxes and also for the newer ones! Just sharing my personal experience here... |
From: Vesa <di...@nb...> - 2014-03-31 11:46:56
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On 03/31/2014 02:42 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Hey guys as you are all probably aware windows xp gets shelved next > tuesday. Are we going to bump the minimum version we will provide > fixes for to at least windows vista onwards? Well, we don't really have a "minimum version" as such. Bugs get fixed when they get fixed. We may take a policy that we don't fix bugs that only affect XP, but if they get fixed as part of fixes for other platforms, then they get fixed. We can stop "officially" supporting xp, but if someone wants to still run LMMS on xp, we shouldn't go out of our way to stop them. Anyway yeah, if there are any bugs that affect only win XP, I don't think we should bother doing anything about them. It's a dead platform... |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-03-31 11:48:47
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I agree totally here, I just wanted to put that out into the open for anyone that might be on xp. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Vesa <di...@nb...> wrote: > On 03/31/2014 02:42 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > Hey guys as you are all probably aware windows xp gets shelved next > > tuesday. Are we going to bump the minimum version we will provide > > fixes for to at least windows vista onwards? > > Well, we don't really have a "minimum version" as such. Bugs get fixed > when they get fixed. We may take a policy that we don't fix bugs that > only affect XP, but if they get fixed as part of fixes for other > platforms, then they get fixed. > > We can stop "officially" supporting xp, but if someone wants to still > run LMMS on xp, we shouldn't go out of our way to stop them. > > Anyway yeah, if there are any bugs that affect only win XP, I don't > think we should bother doing anything about them. It's a dead platform... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > -- Jonathan Aquilina |
From: Israel <isr...@gm...> - 2014-03-31 12:10:51
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If someone is on XP, they should upgrade to a GNU computer :) Seriously. XP will be a huge target, so if any of you are running XP, please upgrade. Get Lubuntu, or Puppy Linux. On 03/31/2014 06:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I agree totally here, I just wanted to put that out into the open for > anyone that might be on xp. > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Vesa <di...@nb... > <mailto:di...@nb...>> wrote: > > On 03/31/2014 02:42 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > Hey guys as you are all probably aware windows xp gets shelved next > > tuesday. Are we going to bump the minimum version we will provide > > fixes for to at least windows vista onwards? > > Well, we don't really have a "minimum version" as such. Bugs get fixed > when they get fixed. We may take a policy that we don't fix bugs that > only affect XP, but if they get fixed as part of fixes for other > platforms, then they get fixed. > > We can stop "officially" supporting xp, but if someone wants to still > run LMMS on xp, we shouldn't go out of our way to stop them. > > Anyway yeah, if there are any bugs that affect only win XP, I don't > think we should bother doing anything about them. It's a dead > platform... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > <mailto:LMM...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > > > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel -- Regards |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-03-31 12:12:41
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or kubuntu the ubuntu line is great for first time linux users. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Israel <isr...@gm...> wrote: > If someone is on XP, they should upgrade to a GNU computer :) > Seriously. XP will be a huge target, so if any of you are running XP, > please upgrade. Get Lubuntu, or Puppy Linux. > > On 03/31/2014 06:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > I agree totally here, I just wanted to put that out into the open for > anyone that might be on xp. > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Vesa <di...@nb...> wrote: > >> On 03/31/2014 02:42 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: >> > Hey guys as you are all probably aware windows xp gets shelved next >> > tuesday. Are we going to bump the minimum version we will provide >> > fixes for to at least windows vista onwards? >> >> Well, we don't really have a "minimum version" as such. Bugs get fixed >> when they get fixed. We may take a policy that we don't fix bugs that >> only affect XP, but if they get fixed as part of fixes for other >> platforms, then they get fixed. >> >> We can stop "officially" supporting xp, but if someone wants to still >> run LMMS on xp, we shouldn't go out of our way to stop them. >> >> Anyway yeah, if there are any bugs that affect only win XP, I don't >> think we should bother doing anything about them. It's a dead platform... >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMM...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> > > > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing lis...@li...https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > > > -- > Regards > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > -- Jonathan Aquilina |
From: Israel <isr...@gm...> - 2014-03-31 12:17:23
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Or Linux Mint. Or Korora! But not Arch... unless it is Manjaro? :) I just picked those two because most XP computers are going to be pretty slow... Puppy is so easy to use you don't have to install it, and it configures things like the b43 wireless drivers pretty much automatically :) Though any thing with XFCE would probably be the happy middle ground between functionality and speed (and it has a nice look to it) On 03/31/2014 07:12 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > or kubuntu the ubuntu line is great for first time linux users. > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Israel <isr...@gm... > <mailto:isr...@gm...>> wrote: > > If someone is on XP, they should upgrade to a GNU computer :) > Seriously. XP will be a huge target, so if any of you are running > XP, please upgrade. Get Lubuntu, or Puppy Linux. > > On 03/31/2014 06:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: >> I agree totally here, I just wanted to put that out into the open >> for anyone that might be on xp. >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Vesa <di...@nb... >> <mailto:di...@nb...>> wrote: >> >> On 03/31/2014 02:42 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: >> > Hey guys as you are all probably aware windows xp gets >> shelved next >> > tuesday. Are we going to bump the minimum version we will >> provide >> > fixes for to at least windows vista onwards? >> >> Well, we don't really have a "minimum version" as such. Bugs >> get fixed >> when they get fixed. We may take a policy that we don't fix >> bugs that >> only affect XP, but if they get fixed as part of fixes for other >> platforms, then they get fixed. >> >> We can stop "officially" supporting xp, but if someone wants >> to still >> run LMMS on xp, we shouldn't go out of our way to stop them. >> >> Anyway yeah, if there are any bugs that affect only win XP, I >> don't >> think we should bother doing anything about them. It's a dead >> platform... >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMM...@li... >> <mailto:LMM...@li...> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan Aquilina >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMM...@li... <mailto:LMM...@li...> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > > -- > Regards > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > <mailto:LMM...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > > > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina -- Regards |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-03-31 12:39:04
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if you want a really light weight desktop take a look at the enlightenment desktop damn thing is super light and super quick as its written in native c and has its own ui libraries On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Israel <isr...@gm...> wrote: > Or Linux Mint. > Or Korora! > But not Arch... unless it is Manjaro? :) > > I just picked those two because most XP computers are going to be pretty > slow... > Puppy is so easy to use you don't have to install it, and it configures > things like the b43 wireless drivers pretty much automatically :) > > Though any thing with XFCE would probably be the happy middle ground > between functionality and speed (and it has a nice look to it) > > On 03/31/2014 07:12 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > or kubuntu the ubuntu line is great for first time linux users. > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Israel <isr...@gm...> wrote: > >> If someone is on XP, they should upgrade to a GNU computer :) >> Seriously. XP will be a huge target, so if any of you are running XP, >> please upgrade. Get Lubuntu, or Puppy Linux. >> >> On 03/31/2014 06:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: >> >> I agree totally here, I just wanted to put that out into the open for >> anyone that might be on xp. >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Vesa <di...@nb...> wrote: >> >>> On 03/31/2014 02:42 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: >>> > Hey guys as you are all probably aware windows xp gets shelved next >>> > tuesday. Are we going to bump the minimum version we will provide >>> > fixes for to at least windows vista onwards? >>> >>> Well, we don't really have a "minimum version" as such. Bugs get fixed >>> when they get fixed. We may take a policy that we don't fix bugs that >>> only affect XP, but if they get fixed as part of fixes for other >>> platforms, then they get fixed. >>> >>> We can stop "officially" supporting xp, but if someone wants to still >>> run LMMS on xp, we shouldn't go out of our way to stop them. >>> >>> Anyway yeah, if there are any bugs that affect only win XP, I don't >>> think we should bother doing anything about them. It's a dead platform... >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LMMS-devel mailing list >>> LMM...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan Aquilina >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing lis...@li...https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMM...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> >> > > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina > > > > -- > Regards > > -- Jonathan Aquilina |
From: Tres F. <tre...@gm...> - 2014-03-31 16:14:45
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> Hey guys as you are all probably aware windows xp gets shelved next > tuesday. Are we going to bump the minimum version we will provide fixes for > to at least windows vista onwards? > This is probably more of a question for Toby as the libraries he uses to build the windows binaries use a Visual C++ Runtime that may change over time. The Windows kernel has hardly changed since NT 4.0 though so from a compatibility perspective, we could probably still support Windows 2000. I never tested the 1.0.0 build on XP. Instead I choose the 32-bit and 64-bit varieties of 7 and 8 since they tend to have more compatibility issues than XP due to UAC, stricter file permissions, Smart Filtering, etc etc. :) -Tres |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-03-31 17:37:18
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@tres microsoft shelved 2000 if im not mistaken On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Tres Finocchiaro < tre...@gm...> wrote: > > Hey guys as you are all probably aware windows xp gets shelved next >> tuesday. Are we going to bump the minimum version we will provide fixes for >> to at least windows vista onwards? >> > > This is probably more of a question for Toby as the libraries he uses to > build the windows binaries use a Visual C++ Runtime that may change over > time. > > The Windows kernel has hardly changed since NT 4.0 though so from a > compatibility perspective, we could probably still support Windows 2000. > > I never tested the 1.0.0 build on XP. Instead I choose the 32-bit and > 64-bit varieties of 7 and 8 since they tend to have more compatibility > issues than XP due to UAC, stricter file permissions, Smart Filtering, etc > etc. :) > > -Tres > -- Jonathan Aquilina |
From: musikbear <mk...@ho...> - 2014-04-10 11:16:00
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topic should focus the issue - XP + lmms There are still alot of users on xp. *sigh +blush* ygtp.. Firstly 1.0 runs on xp as a wet /dream/ Not just run- it gallops! U. Bolt is envious.. It is totally possible to run /several/ instances of lmms /simultanous/ -not just run, but actively playback and editing. That has /never/ been possible not even remotely, with previous versions. the 1.0 team has done a /super/ job! My thoughts on this is of-cause 'tainted' of my OS.. -but as long as at least nothing is done to actively shut out xp-users on purpose, i can understand if the devs are not going to use extra time on xp specific fixes, but there will be a user-drop, if lmms drops xp. lmms is freeware for the poor, and xp is on many poor peeps pc's. Easy math :) -right? -- View this message in context: http://linux-multimedia-studio-lmms.996328.n3.nabble.com/Windows-xp-support-tp7578p7809.html Sent from the lmms-devel mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Israel <isr...@gm...> - 2014-04-10 12:08:29
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Poor peeps can use Lubuntu, or any of the multitudes of great Free and Libre OS, that way they can use LMMS, and avoid the problems of having a completely insecure OS that will now not be recieving any security updates. I am sure there are many on this list that can indicate numerous distros that would be better to use. Though Lubuntu 14.04 will be an LTS, so this would help users in many ways, and there will be a non-pae kernel available, so most users of older machines will be covered. On 04/10/2014 06:15 AM, musikbear wrote: > topic should focus the issue - XP + lmms > There are still alot of users on xp. *sigh +blush* ygtp.. > Firstly 1.0 runs on xp as a wet /dream/ > Not just run- it gallops! U. Bolt is envious.. > It is totally possible to run /several/ instances of lmms /simultanous/ -not > just run, but actively playback and editing. That has /never/ been possible > not even remotely, with previous versions. the 1.0 team has done a /super/ > job! > My thoughts on this is of-cause 'tainted' of my OS.. -but as long as at > least nothing is done to actively shut out xp-users on purpose, i can > understand if the devs are not going to use extra time on xp specific fixes, > but there will be a user-drop, if lmms drops xp. lmms is freeware for the > poor, and xp is on many poor peeps pc's. Easy math :) -right? > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://linux-multimedia-studio-lmms.996328.n3.nabble.com/Windows-xp-support-tp7578p7809.html > Sent from the lmms-devel mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Put Bad Developers to Shame > Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration > Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment > Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel -- Regards |
From: Tres F. <tre...@gm...> - 2014-04-10 12:32:52
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@MusikBear, Thanks for testing this. That is exactly what we need in order to offer support. I am sure there are many on this list that can indicate numerous distros > that would be better to use. As MusicBear mentioned, this is a bit off-topic. Although it's pragmatic to recommend a FOSS *nix, from my experience it is often the wrong answer to the compatibility questions. I am not comfortable telling any of the user community to replace their OS to run one application. 50% of China still uses Windows XP, which represents approx 10% of the world's population. I'm glad we have someone to test this. Thanks!! -Tres |
From: Israel <isr...@gm...> - 2014-04-10 12:47:10
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@Tres... yes it is not good to replace OS for one app, but XP is now in open season for exploits. people have been working hard, holding back exploits waiting for the day when XP would be free to abuse. It is not good to encourage anyone to use a vulnerable OS, especially when there are Libre alternatives. And the US gov wont have a nice open door to your info using Libre os, either. 50% of China users mean that it is a HUGE juicy target for people that are doing wrong. You can of course dual boot with XP, and ONLY use it when there is some win app that you 'have to have'. I cannot in good conscience stand by and let someone walk into trouble, so I said it out of caring for the users, not because I think they should use FLOSS only. They can spend money to buy windows Vista, or 7, but I suggest Lubuntu because it is fast and free and libre. Most XP (computer users really) don't know about security. They think anti-virus is security... it is clean up, not protection. protection is having no open ports, having a firewall, having security updates when each exploit is found (I routinely find that every exploit that gets mentioned is one I have an update for that day, or the day before), etc... Sorry, for the non lmms rant... go ahead and support XP if you want... I just think the users should know the dangers of using it :D On 04/10/2014 07:32 AM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > @MusikBear, > > Thanks for testing this. That is exactly what we need in order to > offer support. > > I am sure there are many on this list that can indicate numerous > distros that would be better to use. > > > As MusicBear mentioned, this is a bit off-topic. Although it's > pragmatic to recommend a FOSS *nix, from my experience it is often the > wrong answer to the compatibility questions. > > I am not comfortable telling any of the user community to replace > their OS to run one application. 50% of China still uses Windows XP, > which represents approx 10% of the world's population. I'm glad we > have someone to test this. Thanks!! > > -Tres > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Put Bad Developers to Shame > Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration > Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment > Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees > > > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel -- Regards |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-04-10 13:06:22
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IMHO it would be up to the user if they want to use it, but i think the ultimate question is should we fix xp specific bugs? On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Israel <isr...@gm...> wrote: > @Tres... yes it is not good to replace OS for one app, but > XP is now in open season for exploits. people have been working hard, > holding back exploits waiting for the day when XP would be free to abuse. > It is not good to encourage anyone to use a vulnerable OS, especially when > there are Libre alternatives. And the US gov wont have a nice open door to > your info using > Libre os, either. 50% of China users mean that it is a HUGE juicy target > for people that are doing wrong. You can of course dual boot with XP, and > ONLY use it when there is some win app > that you 'have to have'. > > I cannot in good conscience stand by and let someone walk into trouble, so > I said it out of caring for the users, not because I think they should use > FLOSS only. They can spend money to buy windows Vista, or 7, but I suggest > Lubuntu because it is fast and free and libre. > > Most XP (computer users really) don't know about security. They think > anti-virus is security... it is clean up, not protection. protection is > having no open ports, having a firewall, having security updates when each > exploit is found (I routinely find that every exploit that gets mentioned > is one I have an update for that day, or the day before), etc... > > Sorry, for the non lmms rant... go ahead and support XP if you want... I > just think the users should know the dangers of using it :D > > On 04/10/2014 07:32 AM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > > @MusikBear, > > Thanks for testing this. That is exactly what we need in order to offer > support. > > I am sure there are many on this list that can indicate numerous distros >> that would be better to use. > > > As MusicBear mentioned, this is a bit off-topic. Although it's > pragmatic to recommend a FOSS *nix, from my experience it is often the > wrong answer to the compatibility questions. > > I am not comfortable telling any of the user community to replace their > OS to run one application. 50% of China still uses Windows XP, which > represents approx 10% of the world's population. I'm glad we have someone > to test this. Thanks!! > > -Tres > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Put Bad Developers to Shame > Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration > Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment > Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud.http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees > > > > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing lis...@li...https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > > > -- > Regards > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Put Bad Developers to Shame > Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration > Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment > Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > -- Jonathan Aquilina |
From: Bill Y. <bi...@an...> - 2014-04-10 13:54:46
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IMO telling a person they should switch to Linux because it is Free has not bearing on the issue. There are a plethora of reasons why an individual may want to stick with XP despite it's EOL this past Tuesday, and while I agree they are taking security risks the longer they use it, I've been to places that used Windows 2000 for years past it's EOL because Linux was not an option. To me LMMS should not judge an OS as the reason to not fix a bug. To me XP bug support should only stop if a core component of LMMS simply can not work with XP with out doing a major overhaul to the code. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eag...@gm...>wrote: > IMHO it would be up to the user if they want to use it, but i think the > ultimate question is should we fix xp specific bugs? > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Israel <isr...@gm...> wrote: > >> @Tres... yes it is not good to replace OS for one app, but >> XP is now in open season for exploits. people have been working hard, >> holding back exploits waiting for the day when XP would be free to abuse. >> It is not good to encourage anyone to use a vulnerable OS, especially >> when there are Libre alternatives. And the US gov wont have a nice open >> door to your info using >> Libre os, either. 50% of China users mean that it is a HUGE juicy target >> for people that are doing wrong. You can of course dual boot with XP, and >> ONLY use it when there is some win app >> that you 'have to have'. >> >> I cannot in good conscience stand by and let someone walk into trouble, >> so I said it out of caring for the users, not because I think they should >> use FLOSS only. They can spend money to buy windows Vista, or 7, but I >> suggest Lubuntu because it is fast and free and libre. >> >> Most XP (computer users really) don't know about security. They think >> anti-virus is security... it is clean up, not protection. protection is >> having no open ports, having a firewall, having security updates when each >> exploit is found (I routinely find that every exploit that gets mentioned >> is one I have an update for that day, or the day before), etc... >> >> Sorry, for the non lmms rant... go ahead and support XP if you want... I >> just think the users should know the dangers of using it :D >> >> On 04/10/2014 07:32 AM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: >> >> @MusikBear, >> >> Thanks for testing this. That is exactly what we need in order to >> offer support. >> >> I am sure there are many on this list that can indicate numerous >>> distros that would be better to use. >> >> >> As MusicBear mentioned, this is a bit off-topic. Although it's >> pragmatic to recommend a FOSS *nix, from my experience it is often the >> wrong answer to the compatibility questions. >> >> I am not comfortable telling any of the user community to replace their >> OS to run one application. 50% of China still uses Windows XP, which >> represents approx 10% of the world's population. I'm glad we have someone >> to test this. Thanks!! >> >> -Tres >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Put Bad Developers to Shame >> Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration >> Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment >> Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud.http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing lis...@li...https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Put Bad Developers to Shame >> Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration >> Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment >> Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMM...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> >> > > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Put Bad Developers to Shame > Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration > Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment > Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > > |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-04-10 15:22:51
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+1 On 10 Apr 2014 15:54, "Bill Y." <bi...@an...> wrote: > IMO telling a person they should switch to Linux because it is Free has > not bearing on the issue. There are a plethora of reasons why an individual > may want to stick with XP despite it's EOL this past Tuesday, and while I > agree they are taking security risks the longer they use it, I've been to > places that used Windows 2000 for years past it's EOL because Linux was not > an option. To me LMMS should not judge an OS as the reason to not fix a > bug. To me XP bug support should only stop if a core component of LMMS > simply can not work with XP with out doing a major overhaul to the code. > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eag...@gm... > > wrote: > >> IMHO it would be up to the user if they want to use it, but i think the >> ultimate question is should we fix xp specific bugs? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Israel <isr...@gm...> wrote: >> >>> @Tres... yes it is not good to replace OS for one app, but >>> XP is now in open season for exploits. people have been working hard, >>> holding back exploits waiting for the day when XP would be free to abuse. >>> It is not good to encourage anyone to use a vulnerable OS, especially >>> when there are Libre alternatives. And the US gov wont have a nice open >>> door to your info using >>> Libre os, either. 50% of China users mean that it is a HUGE juicy >>> target for people that are doing wrong. You can of course dual boot with >>> XP, and ONLY use it when there is some win app >>> that you 'have to have'. >>> >>> I cannot in good conscience stand by and let someone walk into trouble, >>> so I said it out of caring for the users, not because I think they should >>> use FLOSS only. They can spend money to buy windows Vista, or 7, but I >>> suggest Lubuntu because it is fast and free and libre. >>> >>> Most XP (computer users really) don't know about security. They think >>> anti-virus is security... it is clean up, not protection. protection is >>> having no open ports, having a firewall, having security updates when each >>> exploit is found (I routinely find that every exploit that gets mentioned >>> is one I have an update for that day, or the day before), etc... >>> >>> Sorry, for the non lmms rant... go ahead and support XP if you want... I >>> just think the users should know the dangers of using it :D >>> >>> On 04/10/2014 07:32 AM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: >>> >>> @MusikBear, >>> >>> Thanks for testing this. That is exactly what we need in order to >>> offer support. >>> >>> I am sure there are many on this list that can indicate numerous >>>> distros that would be better to use. >>> >>> >>> As MusicBear mentioned, this is a bit off-topic. Although it's >>> pragmatic to recommend a FOSS *nix, from my experience it is often the >>> wrong answer to the compatibility questions. >>> >>> I am not comfortable telling any of the user community to replace >>> their OS to run one application. 50% of China still uses Windows XP, which >>> represents approx 10% of the world's population. I'm glad we have someone >>> to test this. Thanks!! >>> >>> -Tres >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Put Bad Developers to Shame >>> Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration >>> Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment >>> Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud.http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LMMS-devel mailing lis...@li...https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Put Bad Developers to Shame >>> Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration >>> Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment >>> Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LMMS-devel mailing list >>> LMM...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan Aquilina >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Put Bad Developers to Shame >> Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration >> Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment >> Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees >> _______________________________________________ >> LMMS-devel mailing list >> LMM...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel >> >> > |
From: Vesa <di...@nb...> - 2014-04-10 12:41:00
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On 04/10/2014 02:15 PM, musikbear wrote: > topic should focus the issue - XP + lmms > There are still alot of users on xp. *sigh +blush* ygtp.. > Firstly 1.0 runs on xp as a wet /dream/ > Not just run- it gallops! U. Bolt is envious.. > It is totally possible to run /several/ instances of lmms /simultanous/ -not > just run, but actively playback and editing. That has /never/ been possible > not even remotely, with previous versions. the 1.0 team has done a /super/ > job! > My thoughts on this is of-cause 'tainted' of my OS.. -but as long as at > least nothing is done to actively shut out xp-users on purpose, i can > understand if the devs are not going to use extra time on xp specific fixes, > but there will be a user-drop, if lmms drops xp. lmms is freeware for the > poor, and xp is on many poor peeps pc's. Easy math :) -right? > XP will be EOL soon. (Or was it already?) That means that when you use XP, your OS will gradually bitrot, it will not get updates, it'll just be getting worse and worse security-wise, as well as other issues that may crop up... until one day it won't run at all. Personally, I seriously doubt whether there will be any kind of significant "user drop" with dropping of XP. Since 1.0 runs on XP, and anyone using XP obviously has no problem with using outdated software, they can just keep on using 1.0 forever if it happens that future versions don't work on it... of course we won't deliberately break support on XP, but if some new feature brings even a marginal benefit to LMMS and it happens to break XP support, I'd say that's a non-problem. That said, this is all pretty much academic speculation - I've been told the current LMMS can even run on older windowses, and I don't really see what could be such a feature that would break XP support. But I guess it could happen, you never know... |
From: Vesa <di...@nb...> - 2014-04-10 20:56:56
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On 04/10/2014 04:54 PM, Bill Y. wrote: > IMO telling a person they should switch to Linux because it is Free > has not bearing on the issue. There are a plethora of reasons why an > individual may want to stick with XP despite it's EOL this past > Tuesday, and while I agree they are taking security risks the longer > they use it, I've been to places that used Windows 2000 for years past > it's EOL because Linux was not an option. To me LMMS should not judge > an OS as the reason to not fix a bug. To me XP bug support should only > stop if a core component of LMMS simply can not work with XP with out > doing a major overhaul to the code. People are entirely free to use whatever OS they want... including Windows 95, OS/2 or C64-BASIC. I'm not telling anyone to switch to anything, they're entirely free to use what they want. But that doesn't mean we're obligated to support those operating systems, or fix bugs that only affect those systems. If Microsoft no longer supports XP, why should we? We have limited resources, and the more we have to support and fix bugs for dead systems, the less time and resources we have to improve and develop new features for LMMS. Again, this is mostly academic speculation, as it's not all that likely that we're going to run into any issues very soon that prevent us from supporting XP. (Although in the long term, that becomes increasingly more likely.) But personally, if I tomorrow encounter a bug that only affects XP, a bug that is non-existent on other platforms and only caused by particularities of XP, I'm not going to put any effort towards fixing it. I don't think it's a relevant OS any longer, just like Windows 95 isn't relevant, or Fedora 6, or Ubuntu 9.04. LMMS is open source and if there are people running those systems, they can go through the trouble of patching LMMS to run on them themselves and share their efforts with others using those systems. It's simply not realistic to expect a project with very limited manpower to cater to users of a dead OS. |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-04-10 21:01:40
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I think Toby has to take this decision. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Vesa <di...@nb...> wrote: > On 04/10/2014 04:54 PM, Bill Y. wrote: > > IMO telling a person they should switch to Linux because it is Free > > has not bearing on the issue. There are a plethora of reasons why an > > individual may want to stick with XP despite it's EOL this past > > Tuesday, and while I agree they are taking security risks the longer > > they use it, I've been to places that used Windows 2000 for years past > > it's EOL because Linux was not an option. To me LMMS should not judge > > an OS as the reason to not fix a bug. To me XP bug support should only > > stop if a core component of LMMS simply can not work with XP with out > > doing a major overhaul to the code. > > People are entirely free to use whatever OS they want... including > Windows 95, OS/2 or C64-BASIC. I'm not telling anyone to switch to > anything, they're entirely free to use what they want. But that doesn't > mean we're obligated to support those operating systems, or fix bugs > that only affect those systems. > > If Microsoft no longer supports XP, why should we? We have limited > resources, and the more we have to support and fix bugs for dead > systems, the less time and resources we have to improve and develop new > features for LMMS. > > Again, this is mostly academic speculation, as it's not all that likely > that we're going to run into any issues very soon that prevent us from > supporting XP. (Although in the long term, that becomes increasingly > more likely.) But personally, if I tomorrow encounter a bug that only > affects XP, a bug that is non-existent on other platforms and only > caused by particularities of XP, I'm not going to put any effort towards > fixing it. I don't think it's a relevant OS any longer, just like > Windows 95 isn't relevant, or Fedora 6, or Ubuntu 9.04. LMMS is open > source and if there are people running those systems, they can go > through the trouble of patching LMMS to run on them themselves and share > their efforts with others using those systems. It's simply not realistic > to expect a project with very limited manpower to cater to users of a > dead OS. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Put Bad Developers to Shame > Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration > Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment > Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > -- Jonathan Aquilina |
From: Vesa <di...@nb...> - 2014-04-10 21:30:05
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On 04/11/2014 12:01 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I think Toby has to take this decision. > What decision? |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-04-10 21:39:48
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To continue supporting XP even though its been shelved by microsoft On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Vesa <di...@nb...> wrote: > On 04/11/2014 12:01 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > I think Toby has to take this decision. > > > > What decision? > -- Jonathan Aquilina |
From: Vesa <di...@nb...> - 2014-04-10 21:47:09
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On 04/11/2014 12:39 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > To continue supporting XP even though its been shelved by microsoft > But we don't even really have any kind of official "supported platforms" list (that I know of). LMMS just runs on your system or doesn't... what decision is there to make? |
From: David G. <dg...@gm...> - 2014-04-10 21:54:59
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On 10 April 2014 21:56, Vesa <di...@nb...> wrote: > Again, this is mostly academic speculation, as it's not all that likely > that we're going to run into any issues very soon that prevent us from > supporting XP. (Although in the long term, that becomes increasingly > more likely.) But personally, if I tomorrow encounter a bug that only > affects XP, a bug that is non-existent on other platforms and only > caused by particularities of XP, I'm not going to put any effort towards > fixing it. I don't think it's a relevant OS any longer, just like > Windows 95 isn't relevant, or Fedora 6, or Ubuntu 9.04. LMMS is open > source and if there are people running those systems, they can go > through the trouble of patching LMMS to run on them themselves and share > their efforts with others using those systems. It's simply not realistic > to expect a project with very limited manpower to cater to users of a > dead OS. For comparison, LibreOffice only supports Mac OS X 10.5 because one guy is bothering to try to keep it going. So for XP fans, the main thing is for them to test daily builds, flag any that don't work and - and this will be needed to sustain this - fix the bug. - d. |
From: Jonathan A. <eag...@gm...> - 2014-04-10 22:07:24
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That had not occured to me :) I think this is a very good compromise. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:54 PM, David Gerard <dg...@gm...> wrote: > On 10 April 2014 21:56, Vesa <di...@nb...> wrote: > > > Again, this is mostly academic speculation, as it's not all that likely > > that we're going to run into any issues very soon that prevent us from > > supporting XP. (Although in the long term, that becomes increasingly > > more likely.) But personally, if I tomorrow encounter a bug that only > > affects XP, a bug that is non-existent on other platforms and only > > caused by particularities of XP, I'm not going to put any effort towards > > fixing it. I don't think it's a relevant OS any longer, just like > > Windows 95 isn't relevant, or Fedora 6, or Ubuntu 9.04. LMMS is open > > source and if there are people running those systems, they can go > > through the trouble of patching LMMS to run on them themselves and share > > their efforts with others using those systems. It's simply not realistic > > to expect a project with very limited manpower to cater to users of a > > dead OS. > > > For comparison, LibreOffice only supports Mac OS X 10.5 because one > guy is bothering to try to keep it going. > > So for XP fans, the main thing is for them to test daily builds, flag > any that don't work and - and this will be needed to sustain this - > fix the bug. > > > - d. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Put Bad Developers to Shame > Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration > Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment > Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees > _______________________________________________ > LMMS-devel mailing list > LMM...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lmms-devel > -- Jonathan Aquilina |