From: Mads B. D. <ma...@dy...> - 2008-12-19 09:27:29
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fredag 19 December 2008 skrev Jean-Michel Pouré: > > The question is, what is the best process that encourages people to > > commit their time and energy to the project we all want to see > > succeed? > > Kdenlive has plenty of valuable projects for non-programming folks: [list of stuff to do deleted] Dear Jean-Michel I think you miss the point Cinephiliac is trying to make, a discussion about process; its a huge *disencouragement* to have participated in a process in the forums, that involve a key project lead (JB) and takes place over several months, just to have it shot down in a single email. The discussion started here: http://kdenlive.org/forum/kdenlive-kde4-logo-draft and at some point continued here: http://kdenlive.org/forum/kdenlive-kde4-logo-draft2 At least twice Cinephiliac announced the effort on this list, at the 4th of November and the 23th of November. On the 4th of November, jb on this list wrote that he agreed on the new logo & icon for 0.7. I recall once that I tried to contribute a tutorial for another project. I asked if I should do a tutorial, was confirmed, then spent a number of days writing something I though was pretty useful. After submitting it, I did not get any response at all, but one of the devs wrote another tutorial instead. I never submitted anything for that project again - couldn't see the point really. I was partly at fault, because I should have tried to solicit feedback during my writing, but the devs should have explained to me what they thought was wrong, such that my effort could have been guided, and my continued involvement ensured. They failed to do that, IMHO. In the process around the new icon Cinephiliac *did* solicit feedback. He *did* get it from at least one key member (and a number of others). I can only imagine his frustration at getting stopped at the "goalline", so to speak. Please note that this is not about the validity of your arguments about the icon. Its about making sure that we ensure the continued involvment of contributors, and ensure that key members (such as you) provide guidance, instead of (perceived) rejection. Now, I know that Cinephiliac is a proud Australian, and I am sure that he will just grab a Foster (or whatever passes for beer an Australia/Canada these days), and continue his efforts with Kdenlive! But IMHO any serious open source project should always try to guide and support their contributors, and make sure that contributors feel their efforts are worthwhile. And I think we should keep that in mind, even if it means that we sometimes may have to accept an outcome that we (as individuals) do not totally agree with. Regards Mads -- Mads Bondo Dydensborg ma...@dy... http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/ No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude. - Karl Popper |