Re: [Ifp-driver-common] MTP Specification

[Emily B. <kon...@gm...>]

geoff,

it's so frustrating.  yeah, i wonder if even my having seen the thing
legally precludes me from being involved now.  i do wish i lived
somewhere far away from these laws.  or that i could just work on it
anyways and take the risk.

wouldn't it be in the interest of iriver to commoditize the software
used to access it in order to sale more hardware ? (c.f.:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/StrategyLetterV.html)

that said, i _do_ have a T10.  is there any way i _can_ help ?  (if not,
i'm half-tempted to ship you a slightly used T10 for Christmas... *sigh*)

em.

Geoff Oakham wrote:
> Hi Emily,
> 
> You got me: I personally haven't read it.  On the other hand, Microsoft
> hasn't exactly gone out of their way to use GPL-friendly EULAs
> (especially on protocol specification documents).  Thankfully the
> protocol is based on ptp, which should make it easier to
> reverse-enginer.
> 
> Thanks for the offer though,
> 
> Geoff
> 
> Ps. I vaguely remember an article on /. about Kodak cooperating with
> Microsoft on a protocol for digital cameras, only to be back-stabbed by
> MSN software.  That protocol sounds like MTP..
> 
> Pps. I don't have a T10 serries iRiver player.. but if you want to buy
> me one for Christmas, I would be able to help out more with MTP. :)
> 
> Ppps. I wonder if the EULA itself has a copyright..
> 
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 01:28:14PM -0500, Emily Brantley wrote:
> 
>>Geoff Oakham wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Emily,
>>>
>>>Thanks for the offer; what kind of end-user-agreement is attached to that specification?
>>>
>>>Geoff
>>>
>>>On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 01:06:52PM -0500, Emily Brantley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>i've seen an awful lot of discussion on the archive about the T10, which
>>>>i own.  yes, it uses MTP.
>>>>
>>>>have you guys seen this ?
>>>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwmt/html/mtp_spec.asp
>>>>
>>>>it's a full specfication of the MTP protocol used by, among other
>>>>things, the iriver T10.  yes,  it's based on PTP, as described in the
>>>>document.
>>>>
>>>>the specification is a self-extracting Windows executable, but i have
>>>>the document on my system.  if anybody has trouble getting it, i'll
>>>>email it to them, but i don't want to attach it here, as i think
>>>>including a ~3 MiB attachment on a mailing list is a bit gauche.
>>>>
>>>>em.
>>
>>geoff,
>>
>>sorry, i didn't consider that.  attached is the full EULA as reported by
>>the self-extracting installer before you can even see the spec.
>>
>>i guess you guys have seen it then, and it's out the question then, huh
>>?  i don't speak legalese, so i can't tell if an open-source
>>implementation of the specification is possible or not.
>>
>>em.
>>-- 
>>Emily Brantley
>>kon...@gm...
>>PGP 0x94207793
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Emily Brantley
kon...@gm...
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