From: Eric J. <e-...@no...> - 2005-05-24 15:24:33
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Hi Peili, I agree with you 100%. There is confusion, in that I have been commenting on the architectural working group as it came up in this thread, but there has been no 'official activity' other than me sending out an email announcing the formation and a call for volunteers. I will be getting organized during this week in terms of specs and early on we will delegate things to parties. Eric At 10:16 AM 5/24/2005, Peili Zhang wrote: >hi Eric, > >it was nice meeting you at the gmod meeting. please include me in the mailing >list for the architecture wg. > >i didn't follow this thread carefully (in fact i changed the subject here >since >i won't be talking about OBO file loading). if i've missed something >important >regarding the arch-wg, please fill me in. > >imho, to help achieve the goal of the arch-wg, it's important to first sketch >out a proposal/spec for the wg describing clearly the goal, the scope, the >milestones, and estimated timeline/responsible parties/recommended >approach to >each milestones. > >best, >peili > > > X-Sender: em...@he... > > To: Chris Mungall <cj...@fr...>, Allen Day <all...@uc...> > > From: Eric Just <e-...@no...> > > Subject: Re: [GMOD-devel] Re: [Gmod-schema] Re: loading OBO formatted files > > Cc: Gavin Sherlock <she...@ge...>, >gmo...@li..., Scott Cain <ca...@cs...>, gmod schema ><gmo...@li...> > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) > > X-BeenThere: gmo...@li... > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net > > List-Unsubscribe: > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel>, ><mailto:gmo...@li...?subject=unsubscribe> > > List-Id: GMOD mailing lists for active developers ><gmod-devel.lists.sourceforge.net> > > List-Post: <mailto:gmo...@li...> > > List-Help: <mailto:gmo...@li...?subject=help> > > List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel>, ><mailto:gmo...@li...?subject=subscribe> > > List-Archive: > <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=gmod-devel> > > X-Original-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:27:33 -0500 > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:27:33 -0500 > > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on > borise.harvard.edu > > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no >version=2.63 > > X-Spam-Level: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > The working group will be concerned with any and all cross-project > policies > > that would lead to a more cohesive project. Indeed, the middleware > > conversation sparked the group, but many comments later in the session > > pointed to a more general purpose. Don't worry though, we won't try to > > tackle everything at once. I think the first two recommendations will be > > to formalize a policy on platform support (soliciting proposals much like > > Gavin's) and trying to flesh out and reach consensus there. Then also, > > since there is a demand for a policy on middleware we can work out a > policy > > on that. Again, these will be recommendations and will likely to be read > > and used by people who are starting up projects and those who are > > refactoring existing projects. > > > > I will compile a list of all who emailed me with interest and send out a > > general call for proposals and we can get started. > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > At 05:04 PM 5/23/2005, Chris Mungall wrote: > > > > >Perhaps I've misunderstood. From the context of the discussion at the gmod > > >meeting, I understood the arch-WG to be purely concerned with middleware > > > > > >On Fri, 20 May 2005, Allen Day wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2005, Chris Mungall wrote: > > > > > > > > > Platform independence is one of the many factors such as speed, > > > > > maintainability and ease of use that the arch-WG will factor in its > > > > > final recommendations. > > > > > > > > I agree with this. However... > > > > > > > > > RPMs-vs-CPAN and similar issues are definitely not within its remit. > > > > > > > > how do you reach this conclusion from the above? I see packaging as > > > > affecting speed and ease of deployment, system maintainability, > auditing, > > > > and stability. IMO supported release and installation technologies are > > > > well within the scope of arch-wg. > > > > > > > > -Allen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2005, Allen Day wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with this. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2005, Gavin Sherlock wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it makes a great deal of sense to have 'Primary > platforms' a > > > > > > > regression against which is a showstopper, and secondary > platforms. > > > > > > > For the secondary platforms, a maintainer, who has a vested > > > interest in > > > > > > > that platform, has to step up to the job of keeping code > running on > > > > > > > that platform. The hope would be that there would be > something like > > > > > > > 3-5 Primary platforms, that would cover 90% of the users. It's > > > simply > > > > > > > not feasible to support every hardware/OS/Perl combination > under the > > > > > > > sun (no pun intended), and simply results in wasted resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Gavin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 20, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Eric Just wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> If this is a concern, you probably should have > filibustered the > > > > > > > >> appointment to head the architecture working group of a guy > > > who runs > > > > > > > >> chado on top of Oracle on a Windows box :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hahaha -- hard to filibuster a sole volunteer ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seriously, though i think that covering a wide range of > > > architectures > > > > > > > > is a worthy goal and will increase usership and lead to better > > > > > > > > software. I don't think it will be > impossible. Installability >on > > > > > > > > said other platforms is a real issue. I would not have been > > > able to > > > > > > > > do it without the make ( or nmake in my case ) utility behind > > > it all. > > > > > > > > Maybe our first discussion in the architecture working group > > > should be > > > > > > > > in what capacity other platforms are supported. And I do > believe > > > > > > > > working on platform independence will make for better software > > > in the > > > > > > > > end. That being said, I think RPM is a great tool for most > > > users, it > > > > > > > > just shouldn't be the only way to install something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my two cents > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric Just > > > > > > > > e-...@no... > > > > > > > > dictyBase Programmer > > > > > > > > Center for Genetic Medicine > > > > > > > > Northwestern University > > > > > > > > http://dictybase.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes > > > > > > > > Want to be the first software developer in space? > > > > > > > > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > > > > > > > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412&alloc_id=16344&op=click > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Gmod-devel mailing list > > > > > > > > Gmo...@li... > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================ > > > > Eric Just > > e-...@no... > > dictyBase Programmer > > Center for Genetic Medicine > > Northwestern University > > http://dictybase.org > > > > ============================================ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. > > Introducing Yahoo! 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