Re: [Gambas-user] gb3: unable to compile on Debian Wheezy (testing)

[Kevin F. <kev...@ei...>]

On 10/05/2011 06:20 AM, dor...@fa... wrote:
> Bruce Bruen ha scritto:
>> On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 01:19 -0400, Kevin Fishburne wrote:
>>> Hopefully the Debian or Mint team will get this mess sorted out so gb3
>>> can compile without hacks. Thanks for the help anyway, and for anyone
>>> else who sees GNOME as the walking dead, I highly recommend Kubuntu or
>>> any other well-supported KDE distribution. I should have done this a
>>> long time ago.
>>>
>>>
>> I feel your pain but it has sparked my interest following both your and
>> Demosthenes Koptsis posts. I think that there are a few issues here that
>> I may be able to offer some helpful comments on.
>>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> I liked your post, and your coloured english (especially those dinosaurs
> starting to feel chilly) :-)

I'm Kevin, but that's okay. ;)

> I totally agree with you - there are some standards and they should be
> respected in the interest of all the community. In particular, given
> that a libray in */lib (but the same is for include files and
> executables in */bin) *cannot* be 32 bit and 64 bit at the same time, it
> is clear that a file system is linked to the processor which uses it (at
> least for the processor-dependent files). There are in fact special
> directories for system-independent files.
>
> If some mind-broken distributions want to kill simplicity by creating
> unnecessary directories, they should use symlinks. Ok, they could forget
> to set up them (this would be a "bug" for me).
>
> That said, I would add that a user should know the bases for using his
> computer. This means that if a user downloads some sources with svn and
> compiles them, he should be able to interpret simple make's errors like
> "file not found", without asking the author of the sources "why can't I
> compile your software?". Reading documents and learning things is
> satisfactory and good for any user. Lacking of doing this leads to think
> that the guilty one is always someone else: the distribution, the
> compiler, the author of the sources, the mailing lists giving wrong
> advice and so on. There is too much people that press a button and
> expect that everything goes well like magic and, if something goes
> wrong, not even ask themselves what they could do to solve. Speaking
> about computers, "magic" will be never possible...
> No offence intended - I understand that the matter of compiling things
> under *nix could be a good choice for a bestseller.

I agree to an extent. Some users just want everything to work so they 
can get their work done; their OS is a tool to an end. Other users don't 
get much work done but play with their OS all day long and become OS 
gurus. Everyone falls somewhere along that scale. I know a lot from a 
user's perspective, some from a sysadmin's perspective, and have to 
balance that with the work I'm trying to accomplish and life in general.

> Marginally, I noted those complains about Debian and Gnome. Probably no
> distributions are perfect, but surely Debian is one of the most
> respectable - I simply love it because of its vision. By the way, KDE is
> available in Debian. And about KDE, I just switched from it to Gnome
> some months ago, and I don't regret. I never tried the latest Gnome, but
> it is hard for me to think that it is only crap.

I like Debian and consider it the mother distro. It's essential. I do 
think of it as a new house which hasn't yet been visited by the interior 
decorators or furniture movers, though. It always seems to need some 
love, and distros based on Debian seem to give it the polish it needs. 
Debian was my first, and you never forget your first, haha.

I like the GNOME 2.x branch and have used it since I first used 
GNU/Linux. My problem with 3.x is that there's no "there" there. It's 
like they started from scratch, got the bare minimum of work done, then 
released it. If 2.x had 100 features then 3.x has 10. No configuration 
options at all. It's static. Imagine a restaurant with one item on the 
menu and you can't even tell them "no onions, please". I'm not 
joking...give it a try in a VM and try customizing it.

Anyway, like sensei Benoît wisely said, "Do what is better for you". I'm 
satisfied, finally.

-- 
Kevin Fishburne
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