Re: [Flightgear-users] Is flying the Cessna 172 (2d panel) vs he C310 (with IFR) that different) (sort of a continuation of a previous discussion on planes veering to the left)

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Are you sure it's not the "torque effect"  Most US prop aircraft require right rudder on take-off due to torque, p-factor, precession and other stuff lumped under torque.



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From: Brian Keener <bri...@al...>
>
> This is sort of a continuation of a previous discussion from a month or 
> so ago where I was wondering if my planes veering to the left was a 
> driver issue or Flightgear and others were reporting similar issues.  
> That thread sort of got into a "works for me" scenario with no real 
> resolution and in defense of that argument I can say there appears to 
> be some documentation on my Joystick that indicates it has a veer to 
> the left problem and an updated driver allowing you to set an ignore 
> range has helped others.  I have found on mine though that I seem to be 
> able to help the situation by trimming the rudder while in my take off 
> roll.  It seems though that when I land I suddenly develop a heavy 
> right hand turn which seems I cannot get out of.  This could be pilot 
> error thought in that my landings are really sloppy and the only reason 
> I am probably still rolling is because FlightGear never really crashes 
> the plane.
> 
> But to the main point of my question (and this does still have a 
> bearing on the rudder problem I mention above).  I have tried the F16 
> and I can take off in it and absolutely no veer to the left without any 
> rudder trim.  Clean takeoff and straight ahead.  I have climb problem 
> since my trim of elevators and aileron trim is no that good but nice 
> straight roll and take off.
> 
> I have had great success and fun using the C310 (with IFR) and using 
> some rudder trim during the takeoff roll and then a little elevator 
> trim and I can get nice straight and level flight.  Again my landings 
> in this craft usually result in a hard veer to the right.  I intend to 
> try the trim reset just before landing and see what that does.
> 
> Now for the Cessna 172P.  This plane seems incredibly hard to fly but I 
> thought it was sort of a trainer type.  Even trying to trim the rudder 
> I am all over the runway during takeoff.  Was airborne I seem incable 
> of keeping it from veering left or of getting it straight and level. I 
> am continually readjusting and working the stick to stay on course.  
> Not near as much fun as the C310.  Is the Cessna 172P really that 
> difficult or is there something else I am doing wrong.
> 
> I tried the 182 as well and it was really difficult as well.  These are 
> all out of KSFO and using 0.9.10.
> 
> Any thoughts.  This is also sort of a question on basic flying 
> techniques and things I might be doing wrong or basic aerodynamic 
> issues between the different planes.
> 
> Thanks for a great program.
> 
> bk
> 
> 
> 
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