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[CF-maps] Item breakage

[Nicolas W. <nic...@la...>]

Hello.

I've committed a change that will break the weapons of Occidental Mages.

The change seems relevant to me, because it helps distinguish 'attacks 
something' and 'is attacked by' events, to react differently.


I'm not sure how common are such weapons, but they should probably be fixed by 
DMs when needed.

The fix would be to change the inventory's 'event_apply' 's subtype from 2 to 
33.



Regards

Nicolas
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Re: [CF-maps] Crossfire-maps Digest, Vol 13, Issue 6

[Nicolas W. <nic...@la...>]

Hello.

> Yep I am using Gridarta, the official one, and I told it to load the
> arch folder, and it gives me the arches but not the faces. So it does
> work, but does not look pretty. and I need to blindly put the new
> arches in a test map and load them to see how they look. Am I using
> the wrong directory? or should I attach a screenshot of the problem?

It's kind of hard to know exactly what the issue is :)

When you launch Gridarta, does it show warnings?

Did you name the faces correctly, according to the naming conventions?

The face name should be something like key_green.base.111.png (with 'base' and 
'nnn').


Could you attach a screenshot, and if possible your faces? (if you wish to 
keep them private, send them only to me). :)


Regards


Nicolas

Re: [CF-maps] Crossfire-maps Digest, Vol 13, Issue 6

[Jason W. <tec...@gm...>]

Yep I am using Gridarta, the official one, and I told it to load the
arch folder, and it gives me the arches but not the faces. So it does
work, but does not look pretty. and I need to blindly put the new
arches in a test map and load them to see how they look. Am I using
the wrong directory? or should I attach a screenshot of the problem?
Thanks
Tecslicer

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 6:07 AM,
<cro...@li...> wrote:
> First, I'll assume you're using Gridarta as editor, as it's the one to use :)
>
> If not, then please check http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridarta and grab
> http://invidious.meflin.net/crossfire/CrossfireEditor.jar for a daily build.
>
>
> Once you have Gridarta, launch it, go to "File" -> "Options" -> "Path &
> resources", select "archetype directory" for "load configuration from", ensure
> the "archetypes" and "maps" paths (above that) are correctly set, validate,
> restart Gridarta.
>
> You should have your new archetypes and faces in the left-side selectors, and
> you should be able to use them.
>
>
>
> Of course please report any issue back on the list :)
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Nicolas
> --
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Re: [CF-maps] Crossfire-maps Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1

[Nicolas W. <nic...@la...>]

Hello.


> I have been having problems with the editor. I collect, then install
> the new arches, but when I point the editor at the directory it loads
> the arches but not ANY faces. when I save a map with the new arch it
> looks good, but I have to guess because the editor shows "No Face" on
> every square. Am I pointing at the wrong directory or using the wrong
> editor?


First, I'll assume you're using Gridarta as editor, as it's the one to use :)

If not, then please check http://sourceforge.net/projects/gridarta and grab 
http://invidious.meflin.net/crossfire/CrossfireEditor.jar for a daily build.


Once you have Gridarta, launch it, go to "File" -> "Options" -> "Path & 
resources", select "archetype directory" for "load configuration from", ensure 
the "archetypes" and "maps" paths (above that) are correctly set, validate, 
restart Gridarta.

You should have your new archetypes and faces in the left-side selectors, and 
you should be able to use them.



Of course please report any issue back on the list :)



Regards

Nicolas
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Re: [CF-maps] Crossfire-maps Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1

[Jason W. <tec...@gm...>]

I have been having problems with the editor. I collect, then install
the new arches, but when I point the editor at the directory it loads
the arches but not ANY faces. when I save a map with the new arch it
looks good, but I have to guess because the editor shows "No Face" on
every square. Am I pointing at the wrong directory or using the wrong
editor?
Tecslicer

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Tecslicer <tec...@gm...> wrote:
> Well I host the crossfire.redirectme.net:8080 server version 1.70 so I will host the there (prolly make a testing map in scorn).
>
> iTyped with my iThumbs
>
> On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Nicolas Weeger <nic...@la...> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>>
>>> Thank you all. I have been having the hardest time trying to make maps
>>> without the right faces to make it look the way I imagine it. So once
>>> I have finished, tested, polished and edited them how do I submit them
>>> to the community for approval?
>>
>>
>> Two solutions, I guess:
>>
>> - make a zip file (or tar depending on your platform :)), and submit it to
>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=13833&atid=313833 ; please try to
>> describe exactly your changes so people can figure easily what happens :)
>>
>> - ask someone running a public server to put your changes online so they can
>> be tested by others, and then have that someone commit if ok. Current 'trunk'
>> server is hosted by Meflin, you can talk to him on IRC or on the list
>>
>>
>> (solution #2 isn't incompatible with #1 of course :))
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Nicolas
>> --
>> Mon p'tit coin du web - http://nicolas.weeger.org

Re: [CF-maps] Crossfire-maps Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1

[Tecslicer <tec...@gm...>]

Well I host the crossfire.redirectme.net:8080 server version 1.70 so I will host the there (prolly make a testing map in scorn). 

iTyped with my iThumbs

On Apr 7, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Nicolas Weeger <nic...@la...> wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> 
>> Thank you all. I have been having the hardest time trying to make maps
>> without the right faces to make it look the way I imagine it. So once
>> I have finished, tested, polished and edited them how do I submit them
>> to the community for approval?
> 
> 
> Two solutions, I guess:
> 
> - make a zip file (or tar depending on your platform :)), and submit it to 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=13833&atid=313833 ; please try to 
> describe exactly your changes so people can figure easily what happens :)
> 
> - ask someone running a public server to put your changes online so they can 
> be tested by others, and then have that someone commit if ok. Current 'trunk' 
> server is hosted by Meflin, you can talk to him on IRC or on the list
> 
> 
> (solution #2 isn't incompatible with #1 of course :))
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Nicolas
> -- 
> Mon p'tit coin du web - http://nicolas.weeger.org

Re: [CF-maps] Crossfire-maps Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1

[Nicolas W. <nic...@la...>]

Hello.


> Thank you all. I have been having the hardest time trying to make maps
> without the right faces to make it look the way I imagine it. So once
> I have finished, tested, polished and edited them how do I submit them
> to the community for approval?


Two solutions, I guess:

- make a zip file (or tar depending on your platform :)), and submit it to 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=13833&atid=313833 ; please try to 
describe exactly your changes so people can figure easily what happens :)

- ask someone running a public server to put your changes online so they can 
be tested by others, and then have that someone commit if ok. Current 'trunk' 
server is hosted by Meflin, you can talk to him on IRC or on the list


(solution #2 isn't incompatible with #1 of course :))


Regards


Nicolas
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Mon p'tit coin du web - http://nicolas.weeger.org

Re: [CF-maps] Crossfire-maps Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1

[Jason W. <tec...@gm...>]

Thank you all. I have been having the hardest time trying to make maps
without the right faces to make it look the way I imagine it. So once
I have finished, tested, polished and edited them how do I submit them
to the community for approval?

Tecslicer

Re: [CF-maps] Testing faces?

[Mark W. <mw...@so...>]

On 04/ 4/12 09:07 AM, Kevin Bulgrien wrote:
> Jason Wright <tec...@gm...> wrote:
>
>     I have some new faces I would like to test on my server, and was
>     wondering how I go about it. Do I add them to the Arch .tar-ball then
>     compile on my server, or is there a simple way to drop them in to see
>     how they look?
>
<snip>
> I know the GTK v 2 Client allows you to specify your own preferred graphics that
> simply repla! ce those sent by the server on the client side only. It involves
> use of the .crossfire folder and a cache subfolder under it. I'm not by a client
> at the moment to give more detail.

  Yes, that is correct - you can put the png files in .crossfire/gfx

  This only works if you are replacing existing faces with new faces - just put 
the new faces in that directory and restart the client.  You will need to run 
-cache mode, as otherwise the server will just send the face to the client as 
needed and client will not look in that directory.  I can not remember if cache 
mode is default now.

  If you are adding new faces, the only way to do that is add them to the arch 
tree and rebuild the archetypes.  But if you are really just looking for quick 
tests, you could hack something together, like put chairs where ever you want 
that new face on the map, and then put your new graphic in the gfx directory as 
chair.111.png (or whatever the image name for the chair is).

  Note that all chairs in the game will have that new face for you, but this 
could be a quick way to test the graphics - especially if you are making 
revisions, as to test each revision, just copy it into gfx directory and restart 
the client, which is going to be faster than doing a make collect, make install, 
restart the server, etc.

Re: [CF-maps] Testing faces?

[Kevin B. <kbu...@at...>]

Jason Wright <tec...@gm...> wrote:

I have some new faces I would like to test on my server, and was
wondering how I go about it. Do I add them to the Arch .tar-ball then
compile on my server, or is there a simple way to drop them in to see
how they look?

Tecslicer,

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Re: [CF-maps] Testing faces?

[Rick T. <le...@re...>]

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On 4/3/12 9:09 PM, Jason Wright wrote:
> I have some new faces I would like to test on my server, and was 
> wondering how I go about it. Do I add them to the Arch .tar-ball 
> then compile on my server, or is there a simple way to drop them
> in to see how they look?

Assuming you are just replacing an existing graphic or face while
keeping the rest of the archetype the same (stats such as ac, magical
properties, et al.)

There are a few ways this can be done, I will summarize the one I use.

Save the .png file in the same location and proper directory where you
extracted the archetype files to originally.

Go to the Crossfire server directory, and then cd to: crossfire/lib

You should see a file called archetypes in that directory.

Delete the archetypes file (rm archetypes or just use this command
from the crossfire server directory:  rm crossfire/lib/archetypes)

Back in the Crossfire server directory, run the compile and make
process like you originally did or have.

Restart the server and you should see the new graphics in place in the
game.

If you do not see the new graphics, check the server logs and see if
that sheds any light on the possible problem.

See also:
http://wiki.metalforge.net/doku.php/making_archetypes#testing_archetypes


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Re: [CF-maps] Testing faces?

[Mark W. <mw...@so...>]

On 04/ 3/12 07:09 PM, Jason Wright wrote:
> I have some new faces I would like to test on my server, and was
> wondering how I go about it. Do I add them to the Arch .tar-ball then
> compile on my server, or is there a simple way to drop them in to see
> how they look?
>

  You need to add them to the arch directory (lib/arch as based on the server 
source code).

  If you just have a few images you want to test, you can just put them in that 
lib/arch directory, pretty much anyplace, then run 'make collect; make install' 
from the lib directory, restart the server, and you should be set.  You will 
need to make sure you follow the naming scheme for the images (images.111.png), 
since that is what collect uses to figure out if it is an image or not.

  If you are replacing images (have a better version), you need to find the file 
you are replacing, and replace it.  make collect and so forth are the same.

  In general, new images have an associated archetype that uses them - creating 
a new arch file is the same (add the .arc file, make collect, make install) - 
what goes into an arc file is a bit longer explanation.  But if you are just 
doing testing, you could certain just put the image files in the arch and update 
the face values within the editors.

  Note that if you are doing animations, this is also a bit more complicated. 
Also, the editor itself uses a different collection method (you can point the 
editor directly at your arch tree and don't need to do the make collect) and 
that could be handy if you are just trying to figure out how something looks.

[CF-maps] Testing faces?

[Jason W. <tec...@gm...>]

I have some new faces I would like to test on my server, and was
wondering how I go about it. Do I add them to the Arch .tar-ball then
compile on my server, or is there a simple way to drop them in to see
how they look?

Tecslicer,

Re: [CF-maps] Long ago submission

[Nicolas W. <nic...@la...>]

Hello.

> > http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/maps/trunk/python/i
> > tems/death_punisher.py?view=markup&pathrev=13320 If you want to look at
> > it without getting the whole svn tree.
> 
> Yeah, scripting would be a *lot* easier than using mood-changing squares
> and triggers.


You can find a use example in the map /darcap/darcap/church - all ghosts are 
hooked to it.



And thanks for the submission :)



Nicolas
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Re: [CF-maps] Long ago submission

[Jesse F. H. <je...@ph...>]

Brendan Lally <bre...@gm...> writes:

> Ok, that sounds like somewhere where you will want to use python.
>
> Nicolas has moved his 'death punisher' behaviour into a python script
> it is maps/python/items/death_punisher.py in svn:
>
> http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/maps/trunk/python/items/death_punisher.py?view=markup&pathrev=13320
> If you want to look at it without getting the whole svn tree.

Yeah, scripting would be a *lot* easier than using mood-changing squares
and triggers.

-- 
Jesse F. Hughes

"Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a
completely unintentional side effect." -- Linus Torvalds

Re: [CF-maps] Long ago submission

[Brendan L. <bre...@gm...>]

On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:11:46 -0400
"Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@ph...> wrote:

> Brendan Lally <bre...@gm...> writes:
> 
> > Hi Jesse,
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:28:31 -0400
> > "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@ph...> wrote:
> >
> 
> Those values look reasonable to me.  Thanks for your work!
> 
> My boy is pushing me to work on our plans for a new map.  I'll let you
> know if I get around to it.  We had the idea of a war between two
> factions in which the player can choose which side he wants to
> befriend.  Getting that to work with the tools at hand might be a bit
> tricky, of course...

Ok, that sounds like somewhere where you will want to use python.

Nicolas has moved his 'death punisher' behaviour into a python script
it is maps/python/items/death_punisher.py in svn:

http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/maps/trunk/python/items/death_punisher.py?view=markup&pathrev=13320
If you want to look at it without getting the whole svn tree.

> (I don't want to do it by making two different but similar maps.  In
> fact, it should be possible for *both* factions to become hostile to
> the player(s).)

You'll probably need to use a slightly modified form of this script,
you can either change it yourself to suit your requirements
( http://wiki.metalforge.net/doku.php/cfpython contains the api
documentation) or ask someone else to do that for you.

I've a plan to do something similar to what you are describing with one
of the maps near scorn, so will probably end up creating something you
can use if you don't get there first.
 
Brendan.

Re: [CF-maps] Long ago submission

[Jesse F. H. <je...@ph...>]

Brendan Lally <bre...@gm...> writes:

> Hi Jesse,
>
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:28:31 -0400
> "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@ph...> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>> 
>> I submitted some maps back in October and I see that they are still
>> unreviewed.  Was I supposed to announce these or something?  This is
>> my first submission.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?limit=25&func=&group_id=13833&atid=313833&assignee=&status=&category=&artgroup=&keyword=&submitter=&artifact_id=&assignee=&status=&category=&artgroup=&submitter=&keyword=dark+cave&artifact_id=&submit=Filter
>
> Firstly I want to say 'thank you' I'd not seen that submission before,
> but (speaking from my personal opinion, rather than for the project as
> a whole) it looks to be very well thought out and designed.
>
> My own focus on quest-handling over the last few months has meant that
> I immediately see those maps as a target for being tracked by the quest
> system, and I don't think it would be particularly hard to do this.
> This is by no means a requirement, most maps in the game world don't use
> it yet, but if you want to discuss doing this for your maps then get in
> contact with me on IRC (#crossfire on freenode, I am 'cavehippo') (I
> have been looking for someone to test out the documentation on)

I'll try to get in contact with you some time soon.  That sounds like a
good idea.

> However, I just wanted to focus initially on the giant arches, not
> least because they look they should be included in the random map
> styles too (probably in humanoid levels 11/12)
>
> First thing though is to update them, It would appear that you have
> started from an older version of the archetypes.

Probably so.  I created these maps at least a year and a half ago and
perhaps with already dated archetypes.

> In the last couple of years, there has been combat rebalancing, some
> changes to the way arches are organised and some other changes with
> move types and applying of items. All of these changes were taking
> place in 'trunk' and they have been released as part of 1.50
>
> You can see what's been going on for the giant.arc file here:
>
http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/giant/giant.arc?view=log

Monsters can break down doors and earthwalls?  Oh shit.

There goes my strategy, but it's just as well.  Earthwalls were far too
useful.


> I have attempted to apply those changes to your giants, so that they
> compare with the original giant.
>
> Taking all of those modifications, and doing a side-by-side diff of the
> giant arch and the modified giant chief and giant_leader, we get the
> following:
>
> For the giant chief:
> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/733584
>
> For the giant leader:
> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/733585
>
> The lines with '|' in them are the ones that are different to each
> other.
>
> There are quite a few places where you could sensibly want to tweak
> those values.
>
> However, if you are happy with that as it is, then the full arch diff
> will be http://pastebin.mozilla.org/733589

Those values look reasonable to me.  Thanks for your work!

My boy is pushing me to work on our plans for a new map.  I'll let you
know if I get around to it.  We had the idea of a war between two
factions in which the player can choose which side he wants to
befriend.  Getting that to work with the tools at hand might be a bit
tricky, of course...

(I don't want to do it by making two different but similar maps.  In
fact, it should be possible for *both* factions to become hostile to the
player(s).)

Thanks again, Brendan.  
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Re: [CF-maps] Long ago submission

[Brendan L. <bre...@gm...>]

Hi Jesse,

On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:28:31 -0400
"Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@ph...> wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> I submitted some maps back in October and I see that they are still
> unreviewed.  Was I supposed to announce these or something?  This is
> my first submission.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?limit=25&func=&group_id=13833&atid=313833&assignee=&status=&category=&artgroup=&keyword=&submitter=&artifact_id=&assignee=&status=&category=&artgroup=&submitter=&keyword=dark+cave&artifact_id=&submit=Filter

Firstly I want to say 'thank you' I'd not seen that submission before,
but (speaking from my personal opinion, rather than for the project as
a whole) it looks to be very well thought out and designed.

My own focus on quest-handling over the last few months has meant that
I immediately see those maps as a target for being tracked by the quest
system, and I don't think it would be particularly hard to do this.
This is by no means a requirement, most maps in the game world don't use
it yet, but if you want to discuss doing this for your maps then get in
contact with me on IRC (#crossfire on freenode, I am 'cavehippo') (I
have been looking for someone to test out the documentation on)

However, I just wanted to focus initially on the giant arches, not
least because they look they should be included in the random map
styles too (probably in humanoid levels 11/12)

First thing though is to update them, It would appear that you have
started from an older version of the archetypes.

In the last couple of years, there has been combat rebalancing, some
changes to the way arches are organised and some other changes with
move types and applying of items. All of these changes were taking
place in 'trunk' and they have been released as part of 1.50

You can see what's been going on for the giant.arc file here:
http://crossfire.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/crossfire/arch/trunk/monster/giant/giant.arc?view=log

I have attempted to apply those changes to your giants, so that they
compare with the original giant.

Taking all of those modifications, and doing a side-by-side diff of the
giant arch and the modified giant chief and giant_leader, we get the
following:

For the giant chief:
http://pastebin.mozilla.org/733584

For the giant leader:
http://pastebin.mozilla.org/733585

The lines with '|' in them are the ones that are different to each
other.

There are quite a few places where you could sensibly want to tweak
those values.

However, if you are happy with that as it is, then the full arch diff
will be http://pastebin.mozilla.org/733589

Brendan.

[CF-maps] Long ago submission

[Jesse F. H. <je...@ph...>]

Hello.

I submitted some maps back in October and I see that they are still
unreviewed.  Was I supposed to announce these or something?  This is my
first submission.

Thanks.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?limit=25&func=&group_id=13833&atid=313833&assignee=&status=&category=&artgroup=&keyword=&submitter=&artifact_id=&assignee=&status=&category=&artgroup=&submitter=&keyword=dark+cave&artifact_id=&submit=Filter
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and still it remains the same old battle.  I come from a line that
mostly walks alone, fighting for the truth against people [like you],
but my people always win." -- James S. Harris

Re: [CF-maps] Alfalfa Quest

[Nicolas W. <nic...@la...>]

Related to quests, I've rediscovered 
http://wiki.metalforge.net/doku.php/quests that is supposed to be a listing of 
quests :)
Updated it some, but could use some work...
Though of course the best work is creating actual quests, not filling a wiki!


Nicolas


Le dimanche 16 mai 2010 03:04:45, Brendan Lally a écrit :
> Hi All,
> 
> I've added Alfalfa as a 'proper' quest under the new quest tracking
> system, in order for this to be done coherently, I've had to make a few
> changes.
> 
> Alfalfa refers to fleeing her bedroom when orcs burst in, however her
> old home has neither a bed nor any orcs.
> 
> In order to rectify this, I have created a separate set of maps for
> alfalfa's house, based on the same floor plan as the easy house across
> town.
> 
> This house starts out locked, the first thing that happens in the quest
> is that the player is directed to get a key from another character in
> the barking mule. - I do have this in mind as somewhere where a Cha
> bonus could come in for quests, currently the key is just given to the
> player when they ask for it, but this could be the trigger for another
> sub-quest for a low Cha character in the not-too-distant future.
> 
> I have moved the old alfalfa's house across a square, and called it
> Eric's house, Eric is in jail for graffiti-ing, so I have removed the
> gate pass and added a guaranteed spellbook of marking rune instead.
> 
> I'm not seeking to unilaterally impose these changes, I've commited
> them all to SVN now because I've not seen much response to maps on the
> tracker in the past, this has been done with a view to being able to
> easily remove sections of this quest easily should any objections be
> raised.
> 
> I would be particularly interested in any thoughts around balance
> particularly with respect to the rune of marking, it is after all a
> guaranteed free spellbook on a low-level map. On the other hand, it is
> one of the least powerful spells in the game.
> 
> Brendan.
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Re: [CF-maps] Quest additions

[Nicolas W. <nic...@la...>]

> I committed the updates to the scorn nobility quests last night.

Thanks for the hard work :)


> In order to convert existing player files over, the bash script
> below should work:
<snipped>

Nice.



> Final question, should this be in the SVN repository? it is something
> of use once, when a server is updated past a certain revision, but
> never again after that.

Considering those are "low level" or "not too hard to figure" quests, and the 
number of active servers, I would say that's ok to not put it in SVN.


Nicolas
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Re: [CF-maps] Alfalfa Quest

[Nicolas W. <nic...@la...>]

Hello.


> I've added Alfalfa as a 'proper' quest under the new quest tracking
> system, in order for this to be done coherently, I've had to make a few
> changes.
<snipped>

Nice :)
Thanks for the questification!


> I'm not seeking to unilaterally impose these changes, I've commited
> them all to SVN now because I've not seen much response to maps on the
> tracker in the past, this has been done with a view to being able to
> easily remove sections of this quest easily should any objections be
> raised.

Same opinion as Mark - commits like that are really ok, and I'd even say 
welcome :)



> I would be particularly interested in any thoughts around balance
> particularly with respect to the rune of marking, it is after all a
> guaranteed free spellbook on a low-level map. On the other hand, it is
> one of the least powerful spells in the game.

For this spell that's ok, since it isn't really used most of the time.
The main use I can see is for map building, actually.


When characters will keep their class information, it will be possible to give 
class-specific rewards for quests, ie a sword for a fighter, a spellbook for a 
mage, and such.
That will probably require more scripts, but that's ok.



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Re: [CF-maps] Alfalfa Quest

[Mark W. <mw...@so...>]

On 05/15/10 06:04 PM, Brendan Lally wrote:
<snip>
> I have moved the old alfalfa's house across a square, and called it
> Eric's house, Eric is in jail for graffiti-ing, so I have removed the
> gate pass and added a guaranteed spellbook of marking rune instead.
>
> I'm not seeking to unilaterally impose these changes, I've commited
> them all to SVN now because I've not seen much response to maps on the
> tracker in the past, this has been done with a view to being able to
> easily remove sections of this quest easily should any objections be
> raised.

  I think as a general note, it is fine to make changes without getting 
consensus, or in fact much input at all, for many areas.  If every change 
required discussion/approval, nothing would get done.

  Very big changes are a different matter.  If scorn was completely redone, then 
I would thing some discussion is in place.  But adding/making changes to a few 
maps - just go ahead.

  If there are issues, people can raise them later and discussion take place at 
that time.

>
> I would be particularly interested in any thoughts around balance
> particularly with respect to the rune of marking, it is after all a
> guaranteed free spellbook on a low-level map. On the other hand, it is
> one of the least powerful spells in the game.

  Rune of marking is arguably a spell with no power, since it all does is leave 
a message.

  Static/known rewards as a general point does raise the issue of balancing - 
eg, if it was fireball, it is a trickier decision.

  I personally don't think that reward is excessive.

  However, a general issue with static rewards is their value to the person 
receiving it.  Eg, if I'm not a spellcaster, that reward is pretty pointless (I 
might not even have the skill to learn the spell).  If I'm a fighter, I might 
prefer a +2 sword for example.

  Random rewards don't really fix this - the reward it generates may not be 
suitable, but there is at least a chance it would be.

  I think in this case, not a big deal - if nothing else, the character can 
always sell it for some money.  My thought is more along the line that if too 
many quests are set up with static rewards, you may very well get lists of 
quests that fighters do and mages don't (due to the focus of the item), and vice 
versa, eg, why do a quest if the reward isn't of any value.

  I do realize there are a fair number of quests/maps like that now, and in most 
cases character do them because the rewards are good enough.

  I wonder if there is some way to give a choice of rewards (maybe a special 
chest or something), which a character can only remove one item from.  Maybe the 
chest is tied to quest state, so only characters that have completed the chest 
can use it, and they can only use it once (unless they repeat the entire quest 
if the quest is in fact repeatable).  Thoughts?

[CF-maps] Alfalfa Quest

[Brendan L. <bre...@gm...>]

Hi All,

I've added Alfalfa as a 'proper' quest under the new quest tracking
system, in order for this to be done coherently, I've had to make a few
changes.

Alfalfa refers to fleeing her bedroom when orcs burst in, however her
old home has neither a bed nor any orcs.

In order to rectify this, I have created a separate set of maps for
alfalfa's house, based on the same floor plan as the easy house across
town.

This house starts out locked, the first thing that happens in the quest
is that the player is directed to get a key from another character in
the barking mule. - I do have this in mind as somewhere where a Cha
bonus could come in for quests, currently the key is just given to the
player when they ask for it, but this could be the trigger for another
sub-quest for a low Cha character in the not-too-distant future.

I have moved the old alfalfa's house across a square, and called it
Eric's house, Eric is in jail for graffiti-ing, so I have removed the
gate pass and added a guaranteed spellbook of marking rune instead.

I'm not seeking to unilaterally impose these changes, I've commited
them all to SVN now because I've not seen much response to maps on the
tracker in the past, this has been done with a view to being able to
easily remove sections of this quest easily should any objections be
raised.

I would be particularly interested in any thoughts around balance
particularly with respect to the rune of marking, it is after all a
guaranteed free spellbook on a low-level map. On the other hand, it is
one of the least powerful spells in the game.

Brendan.

Re: [CF-maps] Quest additions

[Brendan L. <bre...@gm...>]

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:27:38 +0100
Brendan Lally <bre...@gm...> wrote:

> http://wiki.metalforge.net/doku.php/user:cavesomething:questification
> Over the next couple of days, the quests with the status of 'Needs
> playtesting' will be given SVN commit numbers. (with the exception of
> the scorn nobility quests, which might take a little longer)*.

I committed the updates to the scorn nobility quests last night.

I've tried to keep the style of the quests as close as possible, there
are some cases where I have added additional characters, to spread out
the rate at which information is provided to the player.

There are a lot of maps and NPCs involved in these quests, so there may
be bugs I have missed. Please report them if you find them.

> After these quests are in, there probably needs to be a discussion
> about how long to preserve quest compatibility with the 1.50 server.
> While 20-odd quest definitions in a single file is too many to be
> comfortable, it is still (just about) manageable, once there are
> 30,40,50 quests in the one file, it will get very messy.

One thing I haven't done here is update default.quests. I could do, but
the number of quests now is such that that's starting to get ugly to
maintain - I know Nicolas is working on another quest at the moment,
and that will be the 30th in the default mapset.

> *The scorn nobility quests are currently implemented using markers
> against a player, in order to transition over to the quest-based
> tracking, it will be necessary to create quest entries for players who
> have already done part of the quests. because of the inter-dependancy
> of these quests they are also candidates for having 'parents' added to
> them, which will break compatibility with 1.50 servers. 
> If you are running a big (lots of players) server against the SVN
> mapset, then be careful with this.

In order to convert existing player files over, the bash script
below should work:

It is assumed that this is run from an existing server install from
the /var/crossfire/players directory.

This works fine for me when I was testing it, but I would strongly
advise any server admins to back up their player files before using
this.

Final question, should this be in the SVN repository? it is something
of use once, when a server is updated past a certain revision, but
never again after that.

Brendan

#!/bin/bash
PLAYERDIRS="*"
for playerdir in $PLAYERDIRS
do RANK=$(grep "^slaying Noble Rank" $playerdir/$playerdir.pl | cut -d
" " -f 4) echo $RANK
STEP=0
if [ "$RANK" = "Knight" ] 
then STEP=10 
fi
if [ "$RANK" = "Baronet" ] 
then STEP=20 
fi
if [ "$RANK" = "Baron" ] 
then STEP=30 
fi
if [ "$RANK" = "Earl" ] 
then STEP=40 
fi
if [ "$RANK" = "Marquis" ] 
then STEP=50 
fi
if [ "$RANK" = "Count" ] 
then STEP=60 
fi
if [ "$RANK" = "Duke" ] 
then STEP=70 
fi
if [ "$RANK" = "Archduke" ] 
then STEP=80 
fi
if [ "$RANK" = "Prince" ] 
then STEP=90 
fi
#echo $STEP
COMPLETED=0
if [ $STEP -eq 90 ]
then COMPLETED=1
fi 

if [ $STEP -ne 0 ]
then 
if [ !$(grep -q "scorn/Aristocracy" $playerdir/$playerdir.quest) ]
then
echo "WARNING: Player $playerdir Already has a quest state for
aristocracy quest" else
echo "quest scorn/Aristocracy" >> $playerdir/$playerdir.quest
echo "state $STEP" >> $playerdir/$playerdir.quest
echo "completed $COMPLETED" >> $playerdir/$playerdir.quest
echo "end_quest" >> $playerdir/$playerdir.quest
fi
fi 

done