Re: [Assp-test] Antwort: Re: Interesting approach to nuking spam

[Paul K. D. <pdi...@fr...>]

> stolen time by damping:          ...................                625
> days 8 hours 14 mins
> 
> This is the statistic of a single system in a time of two months. Just
> estimate, what is happen to the spammers if some thousend other systems
> are doing the same.

Wow, that's fantastic!





> From: Thomas Eckardt/eck <Tho...@th...>
> Reply-To: ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...>
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:41:35 +0100
> To: ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...>
> Subject: [Assp-test] Antwort: Re:  Interesting approach to nuking spam
> 
>> Would a spammer really care about damping?
>> I just see it 
>> fits into the "misconfigured mta" category more than the "spammer"
> 
> A legal server will not (or less) get a 'damping' by ASSP. The idea behind
> damping, is to steal the spammers time. A single system does not make
> sense, but some thousend do.
> - The time, a spammer has to send spam, is limmited - and if we steal him
> a part of this time, he can send less spam.
> - If he realize, that your MX is answering slow - you'll get a "spammers
> penalty" and he will make less connection to your MX. Or he will open too
> much connection at the same time, so he will be catched by our frequency
> feature and will fastly get extreme black
> - I can confirm, that you'll get much less spammers connections after
> damping is switched on - it takes less than a week for the spammers to
> realize, that they are not welcome by your ASSP and that they lose time.
> 
> stolen time by damping:          ...................                625
> days 8 hours 14 mins
> 
> This is the statistic of a single system in a time of two months. Just
> estimate, what is happen to the spammers if some thousend other systems
> are doing the same.
> 
> Another way to fool the spammers:
> There is a  registered domain - only for spammers, which is not used by
> any legal person or organization. The web page contains some hidden email
> addresses for the robots - nothing else.  The MX records of that domain
> points to an ASSP-cluster with shared databases and some backup MX (with
> assp and less normal workload) of other domains to collect the spammers
> IP's. While daming is done by ASSP, there is enough time to  ... - I'll
> stop here.
> 
> IMHO - ASSP is great to block spam - but I think we should fight against
> the spammers as much as we can in a legal way.
>  
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Von:    Маллиндайн Стивен (Steve Mallindine) <st...@sc...>
> An:     ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...>
> Datum:  29.01.2010 06:22
> Betreff:        Re: [Assp-test] Interesting approach to nuking spam
> 
> 
> 
> Would a spammer really care about damping?
> 
> It's a great tool for letting other sysadmins know somethings wrong
> with their system (ie, they would see their queues backing-up, and
> hopefully investigate why..)
> 
> But surely a spammer would "fire and forget"... Surely he wouldn't
> care if his spam took 10 seconds, 2 minutes, 1 hour, or even never
> arrives..
> 
> Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining about damping. I just see it
> fits into the "misconfigured mta" category more than the "spammer"
> category.. Or have I missed something?
> 
> Steve
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29.01.2010, at 7:42, "Fritz Borgstedt" <fb...@iw...> wrote:
> 
>> ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...>
>> schreibt:
>>> Ditto. But every now and then, a postmaster feels the urge to give
>>> spammers a taste of their own medicine, even if one never acts on the
>>> desire. Call it a desire to take out one's
>>> frustration/annoyance/time-wasted on them.
>> 
>> ASSP2 does have a nice tool for that: damping
>> 
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