From: Miguel A. B. L. <mig...@ho...> - 2004-09-01 16:59:11
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>What is the difference between pyarianne and Ariannexp >I know they'er both related to the client and >pyarianne has to do with python scripting. Are they >the same thing at different stages? ariannexp is the client framework. You need it to implement a arianne client. ariannexp uses C++. pyarianne is just a simple python wrapper around ariannexp. Regards, Miguel _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail |
From: Miguel A. B. L. <mig...@ho...> - 2004-09-24 16:18:20
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>Hey, >I know it's been a while but I've been busy. Hopefully >I'll have some more time in a few months. I still >believe it's important to condense our documentation >to one source. It sounds like everyone is sold on the >wiki. Great. However, we still need to come up with an >offline version of the wiki documentation. I've >started doing some research into this. http://arianne.sourceforge.net/wiki/PhpWikiAdministration?action=zip >Some things I need: >* Which exact wiki product/version are we using? phpWiki 1.3.10 We should update to the new one as soon as it is released. >* Could some one please do a zip export of the wiki >files and email them to me to work with? Just download yourself. I prefer wiki to be ALWAYS online. http://arianne.sourceforge.net/wiki/PhpWikiAdministration?action=zip >Addition things: >* Could someone please delete the "Bugs" and "Authors" >text files from the CVS. Their empty and unused. Well, the best is to fill them, not delete them. I will fill. >* Could someone please add the .txt extension to the >appropriate files in the CVS. Not sure, Arianne is not a Windows project but a multiplatform project. A README is text, so just drag and drop the file on notepad. I use to use the Send to option with right click. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail |
From: Aaron R. S. <fuz...@ya...> - 2004-09-24 18:31:33
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Thanks for the quick reply. I tried to use the link but it didn't work. It downloaded the file but then wasn't openable by WinZip. Have you tried this? Perhaps it's because I'm not the administrator and haven't loged in as such? Keeping the wiki online is great for the original and the edits but there are times when people need an offline version for review. People with slow internet connections will find always having to be online just to read the documentation frustrating. I my self do my development on my laptop often from the road. I'll need an offline version for review. My thoughts were to just include a snapshot of the wiki with each release. This way we can remove some of the documentation from the readme and include it all in the wiki. After my last updates to the reame I noticed that documention on the wiki had been copied from what was previously in the readme. Now it's out of date. We have to limit documentation to one source. Please don't fill Bugs and Authors. Bugs is already on sourcforge. Authors should be in the javadocs. When ever you have documentation in two places one will be out of date. At the very least this information should be in the wiki (and already is). Why repeat it? The .txt issue. Arianne is a multiplatform application. I myself want to run a server on FreeBSD. However, why alienate windows users? Adding the .txt extension won't break anything for the other OSs but windows has no idea what the file type is without an extension. I know how to open the file but not everyone will. Besides with out the extension I can't just double click to open the file. A lack of an extension is just one more piece of confusion to add to things. Since this doesn't break anything for others I don't see what the problem is. -- Aaron --- Miguel Angel Blanch Lardin <mig...@ho...> wrote: > >Hey, > >I know it's been a while but I've been busy. > Hopefully > >I'll have some more time in a few months. I still > >believe it's important to condense our > documentation > >to one source. It sounds like everyone is sold on > the > >wiki. Great. However, we still need to come up with > an > >offline version of the wiki documentation. I've > >started doing some research into this. > > http://arianne.sourceforge.net/wiki/PhpWikiAdministration?action=zip > > >Some things I need: > >* Which exact wiki product/version are we using? > > phpWiki 1.3.10 > We should update to the new one as soon as it is > released. > > >* Could some one please do a zip export of the wiki > >files and email them to me to work with? > > Just download yourself. I prefer wiki to be ALWAYS > online. > http://arianne.sourceforge.net/wiki/PhpWikiAdministration?action=zip > > >Addition things: > >* Could someone please delete the "Bugs" and > "Authors" > >text files from the CVS. Their empty and unused. > > Well, the best is to fill them, not delete them. I > will fill. > > >* Could someone please add the .txt extension to > the > >appropriate files in the CVS. > > Not sure, Arianne is not a Windows project but a > multiplatform project. A > README is text, so just drag and drop the file on > notepad. I use to use the > Send to option with right click. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection > with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. > Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > _______________________________________________ > Arianne-devel mailing list > Ari...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/arianne-devel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
From: Aaron R. S. <fuz...@ya...> - 2004-09-30 02:21:57
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I've created a patch to remove the tutorial from the website. It's already on the wiki. -- Aaron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
From: Miguel A. B. L. <mig...@ho...> - 2004-09-24 18:44:10
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>Thanks for the quick reply. >I tried to use the link but it didn't work. It >downloaded the file but then wasn't openable by >WinZip. Have you tried this? Perhaps it's because I'm >not the administrator and haven't loged in as such? No, it is another nice feature of our Wiki. Give it a few tries until it load correctly... as you should know our Wiki is a bit "special". :) BTW there is no administrator at all. >Keeping the wiki online is great for the original and >the edits but there are times when people need an >offline version for review. People with slow internet >connections will find always having to be online just >to read the documentation frustrating. I my self do my >development on my laptop often from the road. I'll >need an offline version for review. My thoughts were >to just include a snapshot of the wiki with each >release. We are going to point people either to the Zip file or the online Wiki. Duplicated information means duplicated problems. >This way we can remove some of the >documentation from the readme and include it all in >the wiki. After my last updates to the reame I noticed >that documention on the wiki had been copied from what >was previously in the readme. Now it's out of date. We >have to limit documentation to one source. CVS README is the latest. People is .... ummm.... how to say.... People dislike to read. Readme MUST be as clear and obvious as possible, in fact the compiled version of Arianne requiere that you configure the MySQL stuff and just that... the rest is handled automatically. It should be improved anyway. >Please don't fill Bugs and Authors. Bugs is already on >sourcforge. Authors should be in the javadocs. When >ever you have documentation in two places one will be >out of date. At the very least this information should >be in the wiki (and already is). Why repeat it? OK. >The .txt issue. Arianne is a multiplatform >application. I myself want to run a server on FreeBSD. >However, why alienate windows users? Adding the .txt >extension won't break anything for the other OSs but >windows has no idea what the file type is without an >extension. I know how to open the file but not >everyone will. Besides with out the extension I can't >just double click to open the file. A lack of an >extension is just one more piece of confusion to add >to things. Since this doesn't break anything for >others I don't see what the problem is. The point is that Marauroa ( we are talking about Marauroa, isn't it? ) is the server side. If you don't know how to open a text file you should perhaps not be playing with a MySQL database, a Jython installation from a java class file or running a service on your computer, don't you? I prefer README to keep in conformance with what is expected to find in a Linux installation, that is because some files are ( still ) empty, just to follow the automake --gnu way :) I will change extension anyway. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus |
From: Aaron R. S. <fuz...@ya...> - 2004-09-24 20:31:29
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Arg.... I have to admit this multiple tries thing to get something to work is very frustrating. I got the zip file now. Thanks. The source files as is aren't very readable and so wont work for an offline version. Now that I know what product/version were using and have some sources to work with I'll try working on an offline solution. (Just for reading!!!) :-) I don't see why including a snapshot of the wiki (in a readable form) in the releases is a bad idea. We just include a note of where to find the most current version and were good. Also we could move most of the readme content (like installation and configuration) to the wiki so that's more easily editable as well. I guess if the wiki has a link for downloading on it's main page that could work too.... I didn't realize the files with out extensions was an automake thing. Not everyone is going to be running the server on linux. Many people still use NT for webservers. If Bugs Authors and Readme are necessary or expected for a linux install than perhaps we should leave them in. However we should include a note in each one stating why they are there and where to look for the content. We should then also include a readme.txt All of these files should tell users to point to the wiki documentation (with a multi click warning!) If we have all these files tell users to go to the wiki then we only have one source. If users don't read the documentation on how to install/use that's their fault. However, we should make it easy to install and understand. If we say it's a multiplatform application then we should make sure people who use multiple platforms see what they expect to see. -- Aaron --- Miguel Angel Blanch Lardin <mig...@ho...> wrote: > >Thanks for the quick reply. > >I tried to use the link but it didn't work. It > >downloaded the file but then wasn't openable by > >WinZip. Have you tried this? Perhaps it's because > I'm > >not the administrator and haven't loged in as such? > > No, it is another nice feature of our Wiki. > Give it a few tries until it load correctly... as > you should know our Wiki > is a bit "special". :) > BTW there is no administrator at all. > > >Keeping the wiki online is great for the original > and > >the edits but there are times when people need an > >offline version for review. People with slow > internet > >connections will find always having to be online > just > >to read the documentation frustrating. I my self do > my > >development on my laptop often from the road. I'll > >need an offline version for review. My thoughts > were > >to just include a snapshot of the wiki with each > >release. > > We are going to point people either to the Zip file > or the online Wiki. > Duplicated information means duplicated problems. > > >This way we can remove some of the > >documentation from the readme and include it all in > >the wiki. After my last updates to the reame I > noticed > >that documention on the wiki had been copied from > what > >was previously in the readme. Now it's out of date. > We > >have to limit documentation to one source. > > CVS README is the latest. > People is .... ummm.... how to say.... > People dislike to read. Readme MUST be as clear and > obvious as possible, in > fact the compiled version of Arianne requiere that > you configure the MySQL > stuff and just that... the rest is handled > automatically. It should be > improved anyway. > > >Please don't fill Bugs and Authors. Bugs is already > on > >sourcforge. Authors should be in the javadocs. When > >ever you have documentation in two places one will > be > >out of date. At the very least this information > should > >be in the wiki (and already is). Why repeat it? > > OK. > > >The .txt issue. Arianne is a multiplatform > >application. I myself want to run a server on > FreeBSD. > >However, why alienate windows users? Adding the > .txt > >extension won't break anything for the other OSs > but > >windows has no idea what the file type is without > an > >extension. I know how to open the file but not > >everyone will. Besides with out the extension I > can't > >just double click to open the file. A lack of an > >extension is just one more piece of confusion to > add > >to things. Since this doesn't break anything for > >others I don't see what the problem is. > > The point is that Marauroa ( we are talking about > Marauroa, isn't it? ) is > the server side. If you don't know how to open a > text file you should > perhaps not be playing with a MySQL database, a > Jython installation from a > java class file or running a service on your > computer, don't you? > > I prefer README to keep in conformance with what is > expected to find in a > Linux installation, that is because some files are ( > still ) empty, just to > follow the automake --gnu way :) > > I will change extension anyway. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. > Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 24. 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From: Aaron R. S. <fuz...@ya...> - 2004-09-25 02:13:36
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I've found that our wiki already has a way to download and save a html output. However, I can't seem to get it to work! It's on the administration pagen where the download to zip was. When I try to do a xhtml file dump it says I need to login as administrator and when I try the xhtml dump to a zip file it creates an empty file. I even tried to do this over and over and over. Miquel, could you please look into this. This is so frustrating! -- Aaron --- Miguel Angel Blanch Lardin <mig...@ho...> wrote: > >Thanks for the quick reply. > >I tried to use the link but it didn't work. It > >downloaded the file but then wasn't openable by > >WinZip. Have you tried this? Perhaps it's because > I'm > >not the administrator and haven't loged in as such? > > No, it is another nice feature of our Wiki. > Give it a few tries until it load correctly... as > you should know our Wiki > is a bit "special". :) > BTW there is no administrator at all. > > >Keeping the wiki online is great for the original > and > >the edits but there are times when people need an > >offline version for review. People with slow > internet > >connections will find always having to be online > just > >to read the documentation frustrating. I my self do > my > >development on my laptop often from the road. I'll > >need an offline version for review. My thoughts > were > >to just include a snapshot of the wiki with each > >release. > > We are going to point people either to the Zip file > or the online Wiki. > Duplicated information means duplicated problems. > > >This way we can remove some of the > >documentation from the readme and include it all in > >the wiki. After my last updates to the reame I > noticed > >that documention on the wiki had been copied from > what > >was previously in the readme. Now it's out of date. > We > >have to limit documentation to one source. > > CVS README is the latest. > People is .... ummm.... how to say.... > People dislike to read. Readme MUST be as clear and > obvious as possible, in > fact the compiled version of Arianne requiere that > you configure the MySQL > stuff and just that... the rest is handled > automatically. It should be > improved anyway. > > >Please don't fill Bugs and Authors. Bugs is already > on > >sourcforge. Authors should be in the javadocs. When > >ever you have documentation in two places one will > be > >out of date. At the very least this information > should > >be in the wiki (and already is). Why repeat it? > > OK. > > >The .txt issue. Arianne is a multiplatform > >application. I myself want to run a server on > FreeBSD. > >However, why alienate windows users? Adding the > .txt > >extension won't break anything for the other OSs > but > >windows has no idea what the file type is without > an > >extension. I know how to open the file but not > >everyone will. Besides with out the extension I > can't > >just double click to open the file. A lack of an > >extension is just one more piece of confusion to > add > >to things. Since this doesn't break anything for > >others I don't see what the problem is. > > The point is that Marauroa ( we are talking about > Marauroa, isn't it? ) is > the server side. If you don't know how to open a > text file you should > perhaps not be playing with a MySQL database, a > Jython installation from a > java class file or running a service on your > computer, don't you? > > I prefer README to keep in conformance with what is > expected to find in a > Linux installation, that is because some files are ( > still ) empty, just to > follow the automake --gnu way :) > > I will change extension anyway. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. > Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > _______________________________________________ > Arianne-devel mailing list > Ari...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/arianne-devel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
From: Miguel A. B. L. <mig...@ho...> - 2004-09-25 10:05:13
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>I've found that our wiki already has a way to download >and save a html output. However, I can't seem to get >it to work! It's on the administration pagen where the >download to zip was. When I try to do a xhtml file >dump it says I need to login as administrator and when >I try the xhtml dump to a zip file it creates an empty >file. I even tried to do this over and over and over. >Miquel, could you please look into this. This is so >frustrating! Looks like it doesn't work. If you open the Zip file that you can't open with Notepad, you will see that it is an XHTML web page but looks like only of the first page. Perhaps it is a "new" phpwiki bug. This version fails a lot on sourceforge, so either or we choose a new wiki or we move wiki to another place, thing that I dislike because often people abandon their task and wiki becomes unreachable for me. So, solution: Wait for new phpwiki version or find a wiki that works AND it is small. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail |
From: Miguel A. B. L. <mig...@ho...> - 2004-09-25 10:16:08
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>Arg.... I have to admit this multiple tries thing to >get something to work is very frustrating. I got the >zip file now. Thanks. Yes, I agree. But version 1.2.x of phpwiki lacks of very helpful features. >I don't see why including a snapshot of the wiki (in a >readable form) in the releases is a bad idea. We just >include a note of where to find the most current >version and were good. Also we could move most of the >readme content (like installation and configuration) >to the wiki so that's more easily editable as well. I >guess if the wiki has a link for downloading on it's >main page that could work too.... If it is as hard as click and copy ok. But if I have to edit stuff, replace, add, modify, merge, ... I simply can't afford that time on each release. Now Marauroa is like halted, but soon it will start again and releases are almost 2-3 per month, and as you know I don't work on this fulltime, nor even parttime :) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail |
From: Aaron R. S. <fuz...@ya...> - 2004-09-27 00:16:55
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I've created a page on the wiki called Documentation Design. Pretty much it's a way for us to logically come to a conclusion on these issues. Please review and add to it your thoughts. I've only found one wiki engine that seems to have a stable html exporter. I'm really surprised by this. Oh well. Before going to the trouble of testing this engine or converting everything over I want to research fixing these problems in PhpWiki myself. Thats the great thing about open source right. ;-) Give me some time. I've allready tried to look in the bugs on phpwikis website but couldn't easly find the phpwiki loading problem. Is this problem specific to running phpwiki on Salesforce? You said this is a known problem. What bug title is it under? What is it related to? Thanks, Aaron --- Miguel Angel Blanch Lardin <mig...@ho...> wrote: > >Arg.... I have to admit this multiple tries thing > to > >get something to work is very frustrating. I got > the > >zip file now. Thanks. > > Yes, I agree. But version 1.2.x of phpwiki lacks of > very helpful features. > > >I don't see why including a snapshot of the wiki > (in a > >readable form) in the releases is a bad idea. We > just > >include a note of where to find the most current > >version and were good. Also we could move most of > the > >readme content (like installation and > configuration) > >to the wiki so that's more easily editable as well. > I > >guess if the wiki has a link for downloading on > it's > >main page that could work too.... > > If it is as hard as click and copy ok. > But if I have to edit stuff, replace, add, modify, > merge, ... I simply can't > afford that time on each release. Now Marauroa is > like halted, but soon it > will start again and releases are almost 2-3 per > month, and as you know I > don't work on this fulltime, nor even parttime :) > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. > Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > _______________________________________________ > Arianne-devel mailing list > Ari...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/arianne-devel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
From: Aaron R. S. <fuz...@ya...> - 2004-09-27 00:26:45
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Oh, I've created a bug on Salesforce related to these issues. However I wasn't able to assign it to myself. -- Aaron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
From: Aaron R. S. <fuz...@ya...> - 2004-09-23 17:57:09
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Hey, I know it's been a while but I've been busy. Hopefully I'll have some more time in a few months. I still believe it's important to condense our documentation to one source. It sounds like everyone is sold on the wiki. Great. However, we still need to come up with an offline version of the wiki documentation. I've started doing some research into this. Which wiki product/version are we using? It appears were using PhpWiki. Is that true or are we using the original WikiWiki? What version are we using? There was a stable version release of PhpWiki in May. Did we upgrade then? I'm still doing some research but there may be a HTML exporter built into the product. I tried just doing a save on the page from windows explorer but that wont work because then the links are explicit and wont link to other saved pages. One alternative might be to use a web grabber. That seems clunky though. I'm still searching for a possible conversion tool. Some things I need: * Which exact wiki product/version are we using? * Could some one please do a zip export of the wiki files and email them to me to work with? Addition things: * Could someone please delete the "Bugs" and "Authors" text files from the CVS. Their empty and unused. * Could someone please add the .txt extension to the appropriate files in the CVS. Thanks, Aaron P.S. During my research I got a chance to look at some other projects wikis and I have to say we have a very reasonably clean and easy to navigate wiki. Some of the ones I found were just a confusing mess! _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com |